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Mac Clone Maker Psystar Files For Bankruptcy

StikyPad was one of several readers letting us know that Psystar has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. We've discussed the Mac clone maker's battles with Apple extensively. The company apparently has over $250,000US in debt, and states that it cannot turn a profit in the current economy. "The Chapter 11 filing will temporarily suspend Apple's copyright infringement suit against Psystar, which is currently before the US District Court of Northern California. But once the bankruptcy protection is sorted out, the copyright case will resume." And PC Mag is reporting that, on the other side of the Atlantic, two new clone companies are just getting started. Like PsyStar, FreedomPC and RussianMac promise to deliver PCs with OS X preloaded.

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  1. Sorry guys, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Windows just isn't ready for the desktop yet. It may be ready for the coasters that you nerds use to sit your colas on, but the average computer user isn't going to spend hours in the dos cli configuring irq numbers and io addresses, dealing with constant crashes and manually installing networking support just so they can get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with, especially not when they already have a free alternative that works perfectly well and is backed by major corporations like Redhat and Canonical, as opposed to Windows which is only supported by Microsoft. The last thing I want is a chair-flinging gorilla (haha) providing me my OS.

    1. Re:Sorry guys, but... by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Funny

      get a workable graphic interface to check their mail with

      Okay, you get on that pronto. I'll create a GUI interface using Visual Basic ... see if I can track an IP address.

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  2. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why would anyone want to run Mac OS on unsupported hardware? It's going to be unstable, missing features, and chances are that getting updates from Apple to install with or without hosing your installation is going to be a bitch.

    If you want OS X that bad why not just buy a Mac?

  3. And now litigation stops w/Apple by goffster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Until out of chapter 11.

  4. Re:$250 K ? Must be a typo by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That must be a typo - could they mean $ 250 million USD ?

    It's not a typo.

    Most companies would not choke on $ 250,000 worth of debt.

    Most large corporations might not choke on that much debt, but they don't constitute most businesses. Considering that Psystar probably has little to no revenue coming in and no real future it's not surprising that they will just cut their losses without taking on more debt.

  5. Re:$250 K ? Must be a typo by rsborg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That must be a typo - could they mean $ 250 million USD ? Most companies would not choke on $ 250,000 worth of debt.

    Unless they wanted to choke... as stated earlier, an important side-effect of bankruptcy is the disruption of all outstanding litigation... Maybe Apple was getting too close to finding the money behind PsyStar?

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  6. Re:The question is: how come by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Don't you actually have to sell something to make a profit? Has anyone actual obtained proof that Psystar actually shipped any products?

    They shipped. What sort of proof do you want? The relevant forums are full of people who received them talking about them. Then there are the blogs of people who got them. The news coverage. The review sites... pretty much all confirm they were shipping (until the court ordered to stop).

    I mean, at this stage, asking for proof psystar actually shipped any products is on par with asking for proof Alienware ever shipped anything before being bought out by dell.

  7. Re:$250 K ? Must be a typo by rjhubs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    While I agree with the mods that the parent could definitely use some tact and probably deserves the moderation. The point raised is valid. The mystery money behind Psystar will be revealed in the bankruptcy hearings as anyone that has given Psystar money would be considered a creditor. As a creditor you have a vested interest in reclaiming as you can of Psystars remaining assets in court. Their identity can only remain secret if they decide not to reclaim any of their losses and not participate in the bankruptcy hearings. Also, GPs point is invalidated in the summary, whicg indicated Apple's lawsuit will resume one bankruptcy is over. So anything that was going to be revealed from that can still be revealed.

  8. Re:because OSX is good, Apple hardware not so much by nsayer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm an Apple investor too, and I'm not so appalled.

    The differences between, say, the iMac and Mac Pro:

    1. > 4GB of RAM
    2. > 2 CPU cores, and they're faster
    3. PCIe slots
    4. 4 internal hard drives
    5. Up to 2 internal optical drives

    Now, I'm sure this is going to be controversial, but I'll pose the question anyway:

    What would you really want to use those PCIe slots for that you couldn't find reasonably equivalent functionality via USB or Firewire? Bonus points if there are mac drivers available.

    If the answer includes Gigabit Ethernet (note that we'd be talking about a *second* GigE port, since the iMac comes with one), Fiber Channel or RAID, then doesn't that imply that you'd be better served by either the Mac Pro or an XServe anyway?

    What else is on the list?

    SCSI? Really?

    Fusion powered 3d graphics card? Are gamers really clambering to run awesome 3D games under OS X?

    TV tuners and video capture? There are plenty of those for USB, FW or Ethernet.

    What I'm saying is that the "mid tower" you describe *likely* doesn't differ significantly from the iMac except for not having a built-in display, those PCIe slots and extra optical and internal drive bays - and in the case of the optical and/or hard drive bays, FW800 is an alternative. And I am honestly struggling to think of why those PCIe slots are missed.

  9. Re:because OSX is good, Apple hardware not so much by profplump · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can certainly understand that you want an expandable machine, and want to run OS X, and want it to be under $1500 -- those are pretty reasonable desires from a power-user computer owner. But I'm not sure you outrage is justified as an investor -- Apple seems to be doing pretty well selling non-expandable machines in the mid-range, and they have been for years. If Apple was primarily in the market for budget-oriented power-users it would be silly to not offer a cheaper tower, but they're not, and it's probably not a great business strategy for them to try; there's a very real chance it would hurt their sales and confuse their marketing in the other, well-established, successful market segments where the currently operate.

  10. Re:Now,now, nothing to see here move along. by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple would be violating anti-trust laws by not selling their operating system & upgrades separately, period.

    I have two comments here. First, to be violating antitrust laws Apple would have to have a monopoly in one of the relevant markets. I suspect you know very little about antitrust laws, but on the off chance you are not clueless, what market do you think it is that Apple has monopolized? Second, writing the word "period" followed by the punctuation mark "." is redundant. I understand in speaking using this technique but it does not apply in written communication. Please stop it.

    Psystar's case was legally winnable, but they didn't have the backers for winning in court.

    Do you know what Pystar's case was about? Even if it was winnable, my post explains why it doesn't matter.

    It might fair better for European clone makers since anti-trust laws will be enforced more correctly against non-European companies, i.e. Apple.

    The EU antitrust laws are about the same as ours and I still don't see the monopoly you are predicating such action upon. Further, you specify non-European companies as though that makes a difference, which anyone with a clue knows is irrelevant. Please do a little research and see the hundreds of European companies the commission has taken action against before making such slanderously uninformed claims.