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A Widescreen Laser Projector In Your Pocket

Edis Krad writes "Redmond based company Microvision is in the last stages of developing and releasing a portable, laser-based projector, code-named 'Show WX.' The projector has a resolution of 848 by 400 pixels (WVGA) and, since it uses laser-scanning rather than LCD to form the images, it does not require a lens to focus, allowing it to display images virtually in any surface. The device comes with its own user-replaceable battery, which means you could take it with you anywhere you want. Although there is no pricing information on their website, according to this local news video, it could cost at least $200."

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  1. Can It Function as a Back-Lit Rear Projector? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    And project an image of my ass onto a car window as I pass someone?

    Because you're sitting on a goldmine if it can.

    What? It can't? *sigh* Oh well. A man can dream, can't he? A man can dream ...

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    1. Re:Can It Function as a Back-Lit Rear Projector? by madfgurtbn · · Score: 4, Informative
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    2. Re:Can It Function as a Back-Lit Rear Projector? by inode_buddha · · Score: 2, Funny

      Nope, but you *can* project goatse from your cellphone towards a whole busload of people during rush hour...

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    3. Re:Can It Function as a Back-Lit Rear Projector? by alexhard · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why on earth don't they this on their website

      Because they accidentally the whole thing.

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  2. Or... by Sobieski · · Score: 4, Funny

    Are you just happy to see me?

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  3. Price is expected to be by al0ha · · Score: 5, Informative

    $400 to $500 USD according to the manufacturer site; not $200. Dang, $200 would have been awesome.

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    1. Re:Price is expected to be by madfgurtbn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Dang, $200 would have been awesome.

      It should get there, in a couple years. The reason it will be so expensive to start with is two new technologies in one: Scanning MEMS mirror which projects the image, and the green lasers inside, which have not been produced before.

      Microvision has been waiting for green laser supplier for a long time. Corning has built a facility and is ramping up production of green lasers now.

      When green lasers are available in quantities of millions, the laser projectors will be built into blackberries, iphones, digital cameras, etc.

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    2. Re:Price is expected to be by WarlockD · · Score: 4, Informative

      $400-$500 IS awesome! God do you know how much bulbs cost for even the "cheap" projectors? Hell, even if you WANT to get a bulb, try to get one for just a 4 year old projector. Its worst than god damn ink cartridges.

      Its why I have been looking at the LED based ones, but they are just not bright enough for my purposes. Give me one of these with just a 10k laser life AND an HD out? I am as good as sold.

    3. Re:Price is expected to be by madfgurtbn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Its why I have been looking at the LED based ones, but they are just not bright enough for my purposes.

      LED-based on the left, laser projection on the right: http://www.picoprojector-info.com/files/picoprojector/images/DSC_0016.preview.jpg

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    4. Re:Price is expected to be by Pinky's+Brain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They don't produce a very good green. Frequency doubled IR is not an option either because you can't modulate the beam fast enough.

    5. Re:Price is expected to be by Anpheus · · Score: 3, Informative

      *eyebrow* This is additive not subtractive mixing. So, yes, the G in RGB. When you develop a laser that subtracts light, let me know, I want to invest.

    6. Re:Price is expected to be by madfgurtbn · · Score: 5, Informative

      Frequency doubled IR is not an option either because you can't modulate the beam fast enough.

      Actually, the Corning green lasers in the ShowWX are freq doubled. True green is not expected for several years at least. More on the Corning lasers here.

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    7. Re:Price is expected to be by byornski · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Two waves of different frequency will not interact in the same way as in say Young's double slit experiment. When two waves of nearly equal frequency are added, "beats" appear in the waveform that would appear as a brightening and darkening of the light in different places over time... beats

    8. Re:Price is expected to be by Quothz · · Score: 2, Informative

      The "make it up in volume" theory doesn't work when you're not actually making any profit.

      It can. If you can eat enough of a loss to start selling under your cost, sometimes you can get the production cost low enough to turn out a profit. That's what "make it up in volume" means.

    9. Re:Price is expected to be by BigPeen · · Score: 3, Informative

      I work on long wavelength InGaN (green) lasers. They're at least a year away from being delveloped in the lab, and probably another year from production.

  4. Meetings by XPeter · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This could be very useful in the cooperate world. Instead of dragging around charts projectors and things alike; have this nifty device in your pocket and your presentation is ready.

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    1. Re:Meetings by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      NoNoNoNO!!! Bad Xpeter, Bad boy. Do you realize how fucking annoying this is going to be? PowerPoint presentations everywhere. Is that the kind of world you want to grow up in?

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    2. Re:Meetings by Daengbo · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking along the lines of "Cool! Pocket porn projector!."

    3. Re:Meetings by InfernalRuss · · Score: 2, Funny

      so you and 3 of your closest friends could whack off together... in starbucks... back to coffee at home again i think

    4. Re:Meetings by thexile · · Score: 2, Funny

      You want more cream or less?

  5. Cool! by Penguinshit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I can project even more realistic UFOs on low clouds near the airport!

  6. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by bzzfzz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rotating or oscillating mirrors to cause the beam to scan, similar to what laser barcode scanners use.

  7. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by Joce640k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Think: CRTs use an electron beam ... maybe you can figure the rest out all by yourself.

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  8. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by acrobg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My guess would be that it projects as three scanning lasers: for red, green, and blue. Because they would be scanning across, the field of view as the beams of light move away from projector gets larger (hence larger projection at a larger distance). However, it also gets dimmer, meaning a 12" projection distance will havea brighter image than a 100" projection distance. Also, if you're projecting closer, it looks like it will have more definition to the image as well. Not that the pixel-count will change, but the amount of space each pixel takes up wil be larger, so if it's 100" away, but the image is viewed from 3' away from the screen, the image should look pixelated, as opposed to viewing it from a farther distance.

  9. Great for bedtime by serutan · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Project a movie or an e-book on your ceiling. No more tired arms from holding books up. I'm getting one of these babies!

    1. Re:Great for bedtime by linzeal · · Score: 3, Funny

      Or project another woman in bed with you so you can have a threesome with your wife.

    2. Re:Great for bedtime by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 4, Funny

      During my bedtime, I also like to look at movies and publications, but my arms get tired for a very different reason. I don't think a laser projector would really help...

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  10. Vaporware. by Craig+Davison · · Score: 2, Funny

    There's no price, and demo of this thing working, because it doesn't exist yet. But they do have CG mockups in 10 different colors!

    1. Re:Vaporware. by anomnomnomymous · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check the Buzz section of the site: So much for your vaporware...

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  11. Power and brightness... by bzzfzz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... are the two limitations of small projectors. They claim 10 lumens while most conventional mains-powered projectors are typically 1000-2000 lumens. That makes the product usable alone in a darkened room but not much of anywhere else. Their claim of "movie capable" battery life rather than a specific time period leads me to conclude that they watch shorter than average movies.

    I predict that, like the pen scanner, this proves to be a geeky cool but practically useless device.

    1. Re:Power and brightness... by j1mmy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The trade-off is performance vs size. You can take this thing anywhere and you don't need to plug it in to the wall.

    2. Re:Power and brightness... by timeOday · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wonder why don't they release a normal-sized, mains-powered projector with awesome brightness first?

  12. Summary is Wrong by phreakhead · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's called the SHOW WX, not SHOW WV. FTFA: "WX stands for "wide experience", referring to the wide image format, wide color range and wide always in-focus operation."

    As a VJ, I could really use one of these instead of hauling around my huge HD projector, since I only project at 320x240 anyway (to keep real-time video mixing fast). Hopefully the battery really lasts as long as a movie though!

  13. Re:Microvision by GenP · · Score: 2, Informative

    Except it's the other way around.

  14. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by Myriad · · Score: 5, Informative

    This has been done before, IIRC Samsung released one of the first TV quality raster scanning system for laser shows.

    Basically a standard laser show setup uses multiple lasers (to get your RGB) combined into a single beam then passed through a device, such as a PCAOM, which acts as rather like a programmable colour filter. (this isn't the only way it can be done with solid state lasers).

    Two sets of mirrors can be steered in the X and Y axis to draw your shapes, beam effects, etc.

    In the case of a TV or other raster displays the beam is steered much like you would an electron beam on a regular TV. It scans a horizontal line, moves down scans across, repeat. You can switch the direction of the scan (left to right, then right to left) on alternating lines to speed up the scan rate.

    Wikipedia has some info on Laser TV's in general: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_TV and LaserFX has some info on PCAOM's if you're interested in the older tech: http://www.laserfx.com/Backstage.LaserFX.com/Archives/Archives6.html

    Early systems actually used multiple projectors overlapping or drawing the first 3rd, 2nd third, etc of the image to make up for slower scan rates.

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  15. I spoke too soon by Craig+Davison · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's a video from dl.tv: http://dl.tv/2008/01/ces_2008_microvision_show_proj.php

    There's no mention of battery life, and it looks like the framerate might be terrible, but it's a real product!

    1. Re:I spoke too soon by modecx · · Score: 2, Informative

      it looks like the framerate might be terrible

      I'm sure the framerate is just fine. The problem is: the camera isn't in synced with the display's scan rate, and 2) lasers can turn on and off (go from full off to full on) a HELL of a lot faster than anything on usual display devices. (phosphors in a CRT unload their photons over a longer period of time, LCDs switch slower, etc) I imagine the real scan rate is actually has to be higher than 75 hz, just because of that phenomena, either that or they have to have some sort of dwell state built into the display engine... Flicker sensitive people would have a hell of a time at just 60 hz.

      I think this is very exciting. I can't wait for the day they integrate something like this into a standard CRT (or greater) size rear projection monitor... If they do their part right, it'll blow everything else away in both color accuracy and pixel density. It's great that they've managed to make this into a pocket projector, but I think it'll have as many, if not more applications in traditional devices. I think that's the real bread and butter market for this.

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  16. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think this is where I'm tripping up. I always assume laser light is perfectly collimated so that the projected dot at 1cm is that same size as at 1m, but I guess the projector uses slightly unfocused beam to generate a larger dot with relatively short increases in projection distance to avoid getting just a collection of horizontal or vertical lines appearing instead of an image.

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  17. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by lobiusmoop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    CRT's project an electron beam into a fixed-size phosphor pixel on the screen. This is projecting a laser dot onto a wall (or whatever), I was mostly just not sure how you get an image instead of just a series of lines appearing.

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  18. Re:Can somebody explain how it works? by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, remember that the pixel is created by turning on the laser while the mirror is passing by the point where the reflected beam would hit the target. If you leave the laser on just a little while longer, your pixels will be larger, in one dimension. In other words, instead of a grid of points:
    . . . .
    . . . .
    . . . .

    you have a grid of lines:
    _ _ _ _
    _ _ _ _
    _ _ _ _

    The vertical gaps would be an issue at long distances, but there's no reason the horizontal gaps should be particularly large.

    Of course the effective range would be limited by the brightness of the lasers. If your screen is far enough away that you can't see the reflection of the laser beams coming back to you, then it doesn't matter how big the pixels are.

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  19. Sharks by CrashandDie · · Score: 2, Funny

    Sharks with Freakin' lasers attached to their heads!

  20. Can I get it... by PortHaven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In 1080p and capable of 120hz refresh rate?

    ???

  21. Re:Nice name by LordSnooty · · Score: 2, Funny

    Their version works just as well but er... it turns to snow if you don't point it at a fully licensed wall. (sorry)

  22. Now nerds can communicate with girls by DeadDecoy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Now nerds can communicate with girls in a structured manner.
    Just Imagine:

    *** Start power point presentation ***
    Slide 1:
    Objective - To go out on date

    Slide 2:
    Reasons -
    - Have money
    - Provide intelligent conversation
    - Will Listen

    Slide 3:
    Places -
    - Movies
    - Beach

    .....

    'Hey wait, where are you going?'

    *** End power point presentation ***

  23. Sharks with lasers. ur doin it wrong. by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 3, Funny

    I see this as the perfect solution. Now all I need is the problem to solve.
    Perhaps if I coupled this with an iPod and beer the problems would present themselves.

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  24. Re:One Small Problem by wjsteele · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Actually, becuase it's a Class III Laser, even continous exposure would not cause permanent damage. That's why it's only .5 mw.

    If they'd pump it up to, say 200mw, then they could have a lot of fun. 25mw is enough to pop a black latex ballon.

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  25. Re:Anedcotial experience with laser beamers. by radoni · · Score: 2, Informative

    I do work at a cinema. Your "friend" is talking fantasy. The standard for years past and years to come is and will continue to be Film. Who would have access to a full color movie-capable scanning laser projection system? I can find no evidence to support the claim that any audience in cinematic history has had their faces BURNED from laser projection, not even to say that this has ever existed in a cinema.
    For those curious about what the !@#$ top poster is going on about and how the Microvision scanning laser projection technology relates to cinema...
    Maintaining a cinema projector lamp house light source is MUCH LESS expensive for equal hours in operation than the light source for a consumer LCD or DLP projector. It's also much more incredibly bright than anything on the consumer market. Theaters will not be interested in the Microvision technology for showing their movies, because it will not be bright enough and you would inherit all the annoying problems of having a digital print anyways.
    Film is preferred over Digital because you can pick up a film in a multiplex and move it between booths and platter systems quite readily. Being able to readily move a print around is how you maximize profits... are there really any kids awake at a 9pm showing to go see the latest Disney movie about talking cats and superhero hamsters? Adding lasers into the picture doesn't offer anything lucrative even at a Theater set up for digital projection.
    Theaters using film projectors often use a consumer projector for on-screen advertising, and so the Microvision technology looks pretty good for this if it is bright enough to fill the screen (from a pretty long throw distance). It doesn't have to be high definition or anything, just watchable and cost less than the existing gear to maintain. Digital equipped theaters would still use their cinema projectors to display advertising because it is cheaper to do so.
    The Microvision technology will primarily appeal to the home theater market segment, where enthusiasts are paying much higher costs than real cinemas to maintain their projection system light source. After the SHOW WX gains momentum as a first generation product, expect to see this technology compete with consumer projection systems, and to become invasive just as the camera has on cell phones and media devices.

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