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Why Our "Amazing" Science Fiction Future Fizzled

An anonymous reader sends in a story at CNN about how our predictions for the future tend to be somewhat accurate (whether or not we can do a thing) yet often too optimistic (whether or not it's practical). Obvious example: jetpacks. Quoting: "Joseph Corn, co-author of 'Yesterday's Tomorrows: Past Visions of the American Future,' found an inflated optimism about technology's impact on the future as far back as the 19th century, when writers like Jules Verne were creating wondrous versions of the future. Even then, people had a misplaced faith in the power of inventions to make life easier, Corn says. For example, the typical 19th-century American city was crowded and smelly. The problem was horses. They created traffic jams, filled the streets with their droppings and, when they died, their carcasses. But around the turn of the 20th century, Americans were predicting that another miraculous invention would deliver them from the burden of the horse and hurried urban life — the automobile, Corn says. 'There were a lot of predictions associated with early automobiles,' Corn says. 'They would help eliminate congestion in the city and the messy, unsanitary streets of the city.' Corn says Americans' faith in the power of technology to reshape the future is due in part to their history. Americans have never accepted a radical political transformation that would change their future. They prefer technology, not radical politics, to propel social change."

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  1. Ego by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Today's "exciting new technologies" are all based on exploiting people's egos. Twitter, Facebook, blogs, mobile devices allowing you to do all of these things on the move—this is what people would claim is revolutionary and liberating use of modern technology—but in reality it is a massive trap, and fantastically annoying for those of us who can shut the fuck up.

    (The captcha required for posting this message was "contempt").

    1. Re:Ego by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Those are NOT exciting new technologies. NOTHING about Twiiter, facebook or blogs is a new technology but a different use for an old one.

      NEW Technologies right now are being hindered by Greed and control. I should have a Box in my living room (well I do, but it's illegal) that I can turn on the TV and get all the info I want, wathc the TV show I want, or watch the new program I want. Listen to the new music, or old music, etc...

      I can build this box, and have the future of media and news, but I'm breaking federal laws to have it work. Greeedy asshats want to keep their old business models so they fight the windows of change. My newspaper, last news broadcast, TV, music should all be 100% on demand on my TV. I'd even GLADLY pay for it. But I cant. The "free stuff" is either locked to being viewed on a PC, or so low resolution that it's not worth watching.

      The Panacea of information that is seen in every star-trek tv show and movie CAN be a reality today. but rampant greed and control-mongers make it impossible.

      TV channels are a stuipid idea now. I dont want to watch ABC, I want to watch Lost and the Office. I dont want to watch Sci-Fi I want to watch specific shows. The ONLY Television source that make any sense for the old tv channel model is CNBC news type channels and Sports channels. Everything else needs to be on demand files I can download and watch at my leisure. This is just for information access, Look at stem cell research, and many other technological advances being hampered or beaten down for no real reason.

      This is not the future, this is the NOW. and we are not allowed it because of really really stupid reasons.

      Human progress is not hampered by technological problems, it's hampered by stupidity and greed. This has ALWAYS been the case throughout history.

      I am certain that OOgh was exiled over his wheel thingy because it would have hurt the drag sled industry and it was considered a heresy against he popular religion.

      Today, we simply pass laws to limit technological advances and progress. And if that does not work, Uninformed masses afraid of the bogeyman will work just as well... Ooooh Nuclear energy OHHHHHH!

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  2. The real reason. by Gerafix · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because humans are obsessed with bureaucracy and pointless endeavours like greed. You can bet if our species was as fanatical about science as it is about religious bureaucracy we would be in a better world.

    1. Re:The real reason. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What? The streets are allot cleaner now than they were 100 years ago. We still suffer from congestion, but the streets have a hell of allot better throughput. I can eat almost any food all year round by walking down the street and buying it from the same supermarket that I buy a mortgage from. I have instant access to almost all publicly available knowledge and a reasonable chance of living over a century, and after I post this it's likely to be seem almost immediately by many people from all over the world.

      When I'm bored I can go anywhere in the world by flying there, and when I'm sick my doctor can build an extremely accurate 3d model of my insides and probably help me. Culturally religious magical thinking is becoming a niche in much of the developed world.

      Things may not live up to the wildest dreams of people from Jules Vernes day, but much of our world must seem pretty incredible.

  3. Um? by viyh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's "science fiction", not "predictions of the future". These are creative and imaginative writers. They aren't trying to predict what is going to happen in the future. Besides, there are plenty of sci-fi stories that are about "radical political transformation" as well. "1984"? "Brave New World"?

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  4. Pfft, give me a break by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Look, I didn't read this book, but if the capsule is even remotely accurate, I'm glad I didn't. The capsule claims that Corn tries to equate the cities of 100 years ago with today's and suggest that cars didn't _really_ change anything for the better, just changed which pile of crap we had.

    I have lots of photographs of Toronto from the turn of the last century. For instance, the photos of people getting rid of their garbage by dropping it off at the dump - the end of a pier on Lake Ontario. Cities, in spite of being much smaller than they are and thus having to deal with a much smaller problem, were smelly, dirty, disease ridden dumps.

    If anyone thinks the city of today, even with all of their very real problems, is anything even _remotely_ like the city of 100 years ago, they're idiots.

    You get this all the time in anti-progress screeds, the "well we traded one problem for another", and then they just leave that hanging, like one problem is exactly the same as another. As Azimov noted, however, this ignores any change in quality. For instance, people used to think the world was flat like a pizza, then they thought it was a perfect sphere. They were wrong too, but, and this is the critical point, a sphere is "more right" than a pizza. THAT is how science works, approaching the asymptote.

    And that's what technology is doing to. Yeah, cars running on gas suck, but only because we have three times the population and everyone's got one. If the world population was still only 1 billion and 99.9% of them could not afford one, then cars would be see as the miraculous inventions they said they were going to be. It took 50 years before anyone realized they might even have downsides, and another 50 before we've started getting seriously about fixing them. That's because of how amazingly great they are, not the other way around! And just for the record, I don't own a car, I bike to work or ride the subway.

    Maury

  5. I *am* living in the furture.... by Gorkamecha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have a device in my pocket that will give me the answers to most questions, show me moving pictures with sound, let me talk to people on the other side of the planet and take pictures. We have machines that can scan the inside of our bodies without cutting us open. Satellites that help the device above tell me where I am at all times. And of course cable with 9999 possible channels. Look at an old episode of star trek, then look at the new movie...compare the bridges....How much stuff was "updated", because it would look old fashion and junky today?

    1. Re:I *am* living in the furture.... by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think you've touched on the real problem... the rate of change is so fast now that no one even notices. In Future Shock Toffler talked about how there are people that just can't deal with the rate of change of the 1960s, and they suffer from a form of disconnection similar to Culture Shock - but with no way to escape from it except drop out of society.

      But those people have dropped out of society; they're in their 80s and 90s. Devices that my father looks at in bewilderment and refuses to even think about are instantly picked up by my daughter who never gives it a second though.

      Progress is so rapid and all-encompassing that we just don't even think about it any more. People talk about the missing future of flying cars, telling us about it in articles they wrote on a computer and uploaded to the internet. *sigh*

  6. Amnesia by crmartin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    See, the real issue here is that the guy doesn't actually remember, say, 1960. We may not have flying cars, but we have cross country plane trips for $14 (in 1960 dollars). We don't have videophones, but we've got Skype with video on computers -- and it's free. We're very rarely arrested for being queer, we're rarely getting arrested for voting while incorrectly complected, no one anywhere in the world has smallpox, and hardly anyone has polio. Famines are the result of political disruptions and the thuggery of Mugabe and his ilk, not lack of food.

    1. Re:Amnesia by rbphilip · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget that I carry a communicator in my pocket smaller than Captain Kirk's ever was and I can communicate with it to my friends over the world. I'm going to take a quick trip to Sweden to visit friends next month that'll cost me about $110 in 1960 dollars and take less than a day of travel time in each direction. I'm typing this on a computer more powerful than could have been imagined in 1960, while listening to music streaming over an equally unimaginable network from somewhere - and I don't even need to know where the music is. I take my hyper-reliable 2000 model year Acura in for oil changes and regular servicing at most twice a year, and I get about 35 miles per gallon of gas that costs about 6 cents per gallon more than it did in 1960 (in 1960 cents). I have all the music I own on a tiny iPod in the car that is hooked to my stereo, so on a road trip I have 30 years worth of accumulated music to choose from. Unlike my parents in 1960 today's dentists have kept my teeth in perfect condition. The ceramic crowns and fillings are stronger than the teeth they are attached to, and replacing the 1970s metal fillings with custom-made crowns designed on a cad/cam system sitting beside me in the dentist office took about 60 minutes. The new crown was epoxied in place before the anesthetic for the drilling had worn off. Life *is* much better today, even if we don't have flying cars.

  7. Re:Cars *are* a great improvement. by Yacoby · · Score: 5, Interesting

    In cities roller skates are one of the fastest methods around. Followed by push bikes (even if you follow the laws exactly). Folding bikes are even better as you can also use public transport when needed.

  8. Re:An alternate theory by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the most part it is being used to make rich people richer.

    Exactly! Compared to 100 years ago, most people living in western nations are richer than their grand/parents. Standards of living have improved hugely. See issues like antibiotics, refridgeration, ubiquitous electricty, satellite television, long distance phone calls for pennies (or less), instant access to enourmous troves of information, lives that are decades longer, births that are far less fatal to mother and baby...

    "Rich" is and always has been relative. Even lower-middle-class folks today enjoy personal amenities and creature comforts that some proverbial, rich, artistocratic Duke of Earl would have considered god-like magic only a few generations ago. The child of a wealthy industry magnate, only some years back, couldn't - for any ammount of money - have had a cochlear implant as now seen in plenty of average (but hearing impaired) kids today. It's absurd to compare one person's cash on hand with someone else's (as a measure of wealth) and to ignore comparisons to the vast reach of human history... compared to which billions of people live like kings.

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  9. Re:Flyin Cars by Alcoholist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't know about you, but I don't ever want to see flying cars. Most people can barely figure out how to safely operate a wheeled car in two dimensions. Imagine how nuts it would be if we added a third.

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  10. Never? by tukang · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Americans have never accepted a radical political transformation that would change their future.

    Sorry but I think Corn is dead wrong on this assertion. America was founded on a radical political transformation and the abolition of slavery and the end of segregation are both radical transformations that have arguably changed the future of all Americans more than any single technology.

  11. It's not about prediction [Re:Flyin Cars] by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I want my flying car, damn it!!

    As a SF writer, let me point out that the "predictions" of SF are very often more about what makes interesting storytelling, and not accurate predictions of what real life is going to be a hundred years from now. If the choice is between putting a "gosh, wow" element in the story, or putting in a boring element-- well, it's a story. If you want predictions, you should be writing nonfiction.

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  12. Re:easy solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, have you ever used a search engine and tried to filter through the utter fucking tripe from morons who have no clue about anything but will happily talk about it as if an expert?

  13. Greed by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Ego might be basis greed, so maybe we agree, but I'd say it was Greed that messed up our "future." Look at the example in TFS - motor vehicles cleaning up our cities. Well the thing is they could have done a lot. Why hasn't this happened? Because instead of moving from some people having horse-drawn carriages or draft horses and wagons, we've moved to every person having a car. Am I arguing that only a few people should have cars? No, of course not. I'm arguing that there should be more public transport. Buses are much faster than horse and carriages, they carry many more people. We could have moved from horse and carriage to a decent bus service and taxis as needed. And if we had done en masse, they'd both be much cheaper than what we pay for a journey today. But no - there was big money to be made in everyone having their own car and the public lapped it up. The invention of the tractor could have meant much more leisure time for a society that had a large agricultural base, but instead, due to unequal wealth distribution, it just meant one person working even longer hours and a lot of people desperately trying to find something else to do. That pattern has been seen again and again, resulting in increasingly pointless jobs as surplus labour attempts to justify an income. Am I arguing against progress? Of course not - I'm arguing that everybody should get some of the benefit of it so that they can direct their energies to something more profitable to all of us rather than becoming telemarketers.

    Modern society should be directing its energies toward achieving better things and then we would see some of the promise of new technologies better realised. Instead, society directs much of its energy toward stopping progress by trying to keep as many people as possible as busy as possible whether that has a purpose or not.

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    1. Re:Greed by timeOday · · Score: 5, Insightful
      It is not a meaningless assertion. If you took modern society and jerked the rug of technology out from under it, the majority of people on earth would die, until the population fell back to what it was a couple hundred years ago. Contrary to the article blurb, the promises of technology have largely held true. Life is now relatively abundant, easy, painless, and long. So much so that we look in horror at places on earth where it hasn't taken hold yet.

      As for why sci-fi of fifty years didn't come true, why would it? It was just made-up ideas. Science fiction is just that, not a guarantee of anything.

  14. Re:Flyin Cars by EdZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mundane? I can watch, for free, a live stream of astronauts in orbit, repairing the delicate internals of a space telescope, with the information arriving via a worldwide network of computers. On my phone.
    We're already living the the future.

  15. De-scaling is the future by benjamindees · · Score: 5, Interesting

    basically progress is: innovation creates new paradigms for growth which then saturate and become bad in new ways.

    I take issue with this. There are two types of technological innovation, those which enable more efficient collectivization, and those which enable more efficient individualization of society.

    All of your examples of things "becoming bad" involve the (over-)application of the former type, collective technological innovations. I would argue that the second type of individual technological innovation is immune to this type of obsolescence. Individual technological innovations merely involve a trade-off in labor for capital. Once a particular technology has improved to the point that this trade-off becomes acceptable to the individual, the technology finds widespread use. Since it is an individual trade-off, there is nothing but individual preference or resource exhaustion that will ever change this dynamic. Collective technologies, on the other hand, also involve a trade-off in individual rights to the rights of the collective. Given two equally efficient technologies, a person will always choose the individual technology over the collective one. As technologies improve, collective technologies will tend to be replaced with more individualist technologies due to this defect.

    Laundromats, for instance, have "become bad" and been mostly replaced with individual washers, even though laundromats are more efficient. Suburbs, perhaps, you may argue, are an individualist technology that has "gone bad". But I think that is more due to a failure of (collective) energy production technologies. And I would argue that the same type of individualized technological innovation is currently under way in the energy field in order to make up for collective energy production having "gone bad". Barring complete breakdown of collective energy production and failure of more individualized technologies, I don't see automobiles ever being replaced by more collective transport methods. So I will concede that energy production will likely remain collectivized until Mr. Fusion is produced. Other than that, I believe all other production technologies will tend to follow the path I have outlined.

    Ultimately, while you may see a cycle of boom and bust due to technological innovation, I only see a cycle of boom and bust in technological innovations that require collective ownership and use, such as high-rises, assembly-lines, and fossil fuels. These technologies are subject to monopolization and negative externalities that offset their benefits. In individual technological innovations, I believe there is more steady improvement.

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  16. Re:An alternate theory by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the middle class is vanishing in America

    Compared to what and when? The middle class of forty years ago would never have considered themselves to middle class if they had two cars, four televisions, mobile phones, fresh produce from Chile flown into their local grocery store every day, etc. If people today deliberately stuck to similarly scaled expectations and monthly overhead, they'd live far, far better than the middle class to which you seem to be comparing them. They're not vanishing - you're just changing the definition.

    unemployment is high

    This week. Of course this country has had it far, far worse, and for years on end. We are now - at the depths of a cyclical recsession - experience unemployment rates that are about what many countries live with permanently, and a fraction of what's found in many other places. With the typical upswing that (despite the current congress's and administration's seeming attempts to prevent it) inevitably comes, we'll be back to unemployment rates that are the envy of most industrialized countries.

    It's not clear that it's sustainable

    As opposed to what... Marxism? Yeah, that sure worked out.

    Take a look at the biosphere

    Indeed. The environment is at its most trashed in places where socialist governments run the show. See the train wreck that happened in eastern Europe under the helpful central control of the Soviets, or the rapidly worsening disaster that is China.

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