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Firefox 3.5 Beta Boosts Open Video Standard
bmullan writes "Dailymotion, one of the world's largest video sites, announced support for Open Video. They've put out a press release, a blog post on the new Open Video site, and an HTML 5 demo site where you can see some of the things that you can do with open video and Firefox 3.5. (You can get the Firefox 3.5 beta here.) Dailymotion is automatically transcoding all of the content that their users create, and expect to have around 300,000 videos in the open Ogg Theora and Vorbis formats."
There are some other sites which have had <video> support for a while now, such as omploader. It would be nice if some big sites like youtube get rid of flash too, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Really, only Firefox? Because I could SWEAR it was working for me in Safari 4 with Youtube's HTML 5 demo site.
There's a default UI, but you can turn it off and use whatever HTML/CSS/XML/SVG you care to dream up.
The h.264 codec that is used to stream their content is far and away better than that Theora garbage format.
The version of Theora that was in ffmpeg2theora 0.19 sucked. But Theora has come a long way since then, coming much closer to x264's fidelity.
If open video means a widget that site owners have no control over, like Quicktime video embedding, then commercial site operators aren't going to be too keen on it.
HTML 5 Video states that a page can ask the user agent to show a built-in control widget (by providing a controls attribute) or hide it and provide its own widget that controls the video player through its DOM (by omitting the controls attribute).
Yes, because Flash boasts huge market penetration (http://www.adobe.com/products/player_census/flashplayer/). Of course it's Adobe's own market research, but it's probably true that they have most of the market in their grasp.
Add to that the fact that IE still has the largest browser market share.
Those two practically guarantee that Google will stick with Flash for most part. Maybe they will create a dynamic service which would prefer support over flash, but Flash is here to stay for quite a while longer.
Did you know that "FTW" ("for the win") is a direct translation of "Sieg Heil"?
Considering that the demo is intended to show what an emerging standard can do better than current ones, it's understandable that they want it to look the best it can, which means they're going to want people to watch it using the optimized platform and not something that's barely going to run their demo.
With Adobe every year my CPU is more loaded when I'm watching Youtube or similar.
While using a different player, the movies uses 10 time less CPU cycles. I can't wait for something to replace that bloat from Adobe.
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Try going to http://openvideo.dailymotion.com/ in Safari 4
That landing page requires FireFox, but the actual video pages work fine in Safari.
That's kind of misleading, since there is no such thing as an HTML5 browser as of yet. All the upcoming versions of browsers that aren't IE are getting support for parts of HTML5, but it would be incorrect to say that they are all equivalent. Especially in the case of the tag, they seem to do different codecs right now. Firefox does Theora, Safari and I think Chrome does h264, and I have no idea what opera does. I'm honestly not sure how this is a better situation than flash video players, at least until everyone decides to standardize on a common format. I guess the idea is that once all the dust settles, we'll have lower CPU usage and maybe nice things like videos being cached and/or easily downloadable, which flv doesn't do easily, but until then this isn't much of an improvement unless you're stuck on, say, 64 bit linux and can't get the flash plugin to work, but that's a really tiny edge case. Last I checked I could play youtube videos under 64 bit linux, so I'm not really sure what the advantages are.
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The big content providers don't want you to download their content, all the reason they are becoming ever more irrelevant. Welcome to new media.
Browser-sniffing for the lose!
It should easily be capable in any other browser.
Firefox 3.5 isn't anything special, Safari 4 and Chrome 2 have <video> support. (not trolling in any way, just stating a fact)
They must be browser-sniffing for some reason. (read: business deal)
I tried checking the source, but i already have a sore head as it is, and they have compressed their JS files by the looks of it...
> That's kind of misleading .... All the upcoming versions of browsers that aren't IE are getting support for parts of HTML5
Speaking of misleading - IE8 already supports parts of HTML5 and Microsoft have committed to support it "in full" in future versions. Can we tone the bias down a little?
3 dB is a factor of ~ 1.41 times.
A factor of two is 6 dB.
Depends on the reference. What is 0 dB? For sound pressure (for example), you're right. However 3 dB is a two-fold increase in watts (power).
I wonder when Firefox, Opera or Konqueror will have native support for Dirac.
For Gecko (which means Firefox & friends): As soon as libogg supports it, which is pretty much
now. However, it isn't part of the upstream stable libogg yet, so it will not ship with Firefox 3.5,
but very probably show up in the version after that.
umn, there are several non-gpl implementations of h.264. The issue is h.264 is patent encumbered, and it's use in free systems would have consequences for the likes oif Mozilla. MS is already adding h.264 support to Silverlight, to go along with VC-1.
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So far, I have been completely and utterly unimpressed by Firefox's built in audio and video features. I'm using 3.5 Beta.
Whenever it plays a WAV file, it plays for a few seconds, then skips audio and runs at 100% CPU usage, then plays again. Sounds like a really bad buffering issue, like they can't get something as basic as buffering correct. Audio which is intended to loop does not. OGG Vorbis files also skip the same was as WAV files.
Video performance is dismal, even worse than Flash player. Videos skip and take more CPU power to play back than other players do. Upscaling the video is done slowly through software, even though Overlays surfaces have been around since 1997 with the NVidia Riva 128.
From what I've seen, in terms of CPU usage, the best video player for the web is Windows Media Player, using non-microsoft video codecs (FFDshow).
I can see your sarcasm, however, it appears to be that the standardised (whether de facto or not) is decibel and not bel. Even the dictionary for Firefox doesn't recognise bel as a word.
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Depends on what your working with. Just straight amplitude, 3dB = double. If you're working with power, then 6dB=double.
But.. audio uses the amplitude scale.
What does dB even mean in this context?
Sorry FlyingBishop, but the original poster was correct. Apple doesn't want to touch Theora, FLAC, Ogg or any other open codec/container because of the patent lawsuit magnet issue. Apple can use h.264 because they can pay to license it and be done with it. There's so much that goes into codecs and container formats that it's absolutely inevitable some patent trolls are going to pounce on any new format. With h.264, Apple is isolated because they've licensed the format. With Theora and the other open formats, any patent troll is going to go after the deeper pockets, which would be Apple, if they supported the format. Apple gets around this, sometimes, by offering a plug-in architecture that allows 3rd parties to develop the compatibility for them.
Safari and Opera are implementing this too. However article itself is too "Firefox hyped". Opera started playing with long before Firefox, AFAIR.
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I'm surprised there was no mention of YouTube's Flashless HTML5 demo page. I think it's a bit more popular than Dailymotion.