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Google, Yahoo!, Apple Targeted In DoJ Antitrust Probe

suraj.sun writes with this excerpt from the Washington Post: "The Justice Department has launched an investigation into whether some of the nation's largest technology companies violated antitrust laws by negotiating the recruiting and hiring of one another's employees, according to two sources with knowledge of the review. The review, which is said to be in its preliminary stages, is focused on Google; its competitor Yahoo; Apple; and the biotech firm Genentech, among others, according to the sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing. The sources said the review includes other tech companies and is 'industry-wide.' By agreeing not to hire away top talent, the companies could be stifling competition and trying to maintain their market power unfairly, antitrust experts said. ... Obama's antitrust chief at the Justice Department, Christine Varney, has said she plans to look at the network effects of high-tech companies and how their grasp on markets has cut out competitors and hurt consumers."

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  1. antitrust, et al. by megrims · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do we trust google, again?

    1. Re:antitrust, et al. by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because they are not Microsoft. And because they are competing successfully against Microsoft. Nothing more.

      Power corrupts. Doesn't matter if the person with power has shit that doesn't stink. By nature, the stronger person will eventually abuse his power. It may not even seem that way to the person with the power, but it will happen. Same is even more true with organizations. They are more complex, less personal. As Google collects more data, as its reach becomes bigger and as time goes on, the abuse will surface. Not that Google is any better or worse than anyone else, it is their success that will do it. And when Google's "Do No Evil" becomes "Well, maybe a little evil", they will make Microsoft look like an amateur.

      (And thank you Slashdot for making me wait five minutes between posts. Excellent Karma, get mod points yet have to wait. And when I use the email link to report the problem, my email gets ignored. Brilliant)

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    2. Re:antitrust, et al. by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that Google and Yahoo! will still attempt to recruit away people from other companies they don't have a pact with and as such this appears to be shady collusive behavior.

    3. Re:antitrust, et al. by brian0918 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Way to confound economic power with political power. Corruption, violation of rights and contracts, none of that is possible without a hand in politics, ie, a politician willing to pass/enforce laws that harm others and violate their rights.

  2. Re:Good by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hopefully these actions will lead to the outlawing of vaguely wide-ranging NDAs which state that employees may not work for "competitors" for X years after leaving their companies.

    Why would it? That has absolutely nothing to do with what this probe is about. Secondly, such non-compete contracts are already illegal in California which already covers Google, Apple, Yahoo! and Genetech already.

  3. No-hire pact? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems to me like there's another angle on this, from the perspective of the affected employees, not the customers/competitors.

    By forming a pact that keeps an employee at company A from getting a job at any other company in the cartel, doesn't that run afoul of federal fair labor laws?

    1. Re:No-hire pact? by rev_sanchez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Non-compete restrictions in employment contracts are common in software development work and are another flavor of this issue. What these companies have done is more insidious because they aren't asking employees to agree to being locked out of major portions of the job market for their skills.

      The result of this is that you often can't work in the industry for years after leaving your job. To insist that employees have experience when they are hired and then prevent them from using it when they leave seems wrong.

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  4. Re:Good by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And generally non-competes are ignored in other states as well I applaud California for legislatively declaring them illegal. Companies already operate at an advantage compared to individuals. They should not be able to take away my livelihood when we decide to part ways. If I am employed "at will" by them, then the business arrangement should be symmetrical. If they are willing to offer me a generous severance package, then I imagine they can have a say on where I end up. But even that should be limited.

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  5. Re:Seriously? by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Seriously neither Google nor Yahoo! are anything close to a monopoly.

    Nothing in this article was talking about any of the four listed companies being a monopoly. This was about collusive behavior to not recruit away talent from each other.

  6. Re:Seriously? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    I used to drive a Hyundai Sonata. Whenever I took it out, I would get stares because the heap would lay down a huge black cloud of exhaust when I pressed the gas. I would occasionally think about getting it fixed, but never really got around to it. Then one day I was t-boned at an intersection. The car was totaled.

    In the business world, things are much the same way. Collision is just as bad as a monopoly.

  7. Beware the red herring by R2.0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Obama's antitrust chief at the Justice Department, Christine Varney, has said she plans to look at the network effects of high-tech companies and how their grasp on markets has cut out competitors and hurt consumers."

    They are investigating collusion in the labor market - in this case, the companies themselves are the consumer, and job seekers provide the service. But this has nothing to do with cutting out competitors and hurting consumers. What they are doing is collusion in a market which, though probably illegal, keeps costs down, not up.

    "look at the network effects of high-tech companies and ... grasp on markets ..." is shorthand for increased government regulation, whether warranted or not. What will happen when they decide to investigate the companies that supply toilets, and find out that "only" 10 companies "dominate" the market? They may not be colluding, but OBVIOUSLY such a small number of companies id bad for the market, and hence requires regulation of their pricing to protect the consumer.

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  8. They have money by Shivetya · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The US Government is short of that.

    Even though I own multiple Apple products I would rather see DOJ bust Apple's balls than MS. At MS doesn't dictate whose machine I can run their OS on (even though I have no Windows computers art home). As for Google, they have money, they are current at issue with various "AA" groups that have relations with people in the new guy's administration.

    Besides this about restricting employee for leaving for better offers by agreeing not to see out talent from agreed upon companies. In other words, if they like you they might be willing to make a deal with a competitor so you won't be offered a reason to leave.

    I still figure most of it is about getting more money

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  9. Re:Apparently the Obama administration doesn't by harryandthehenderson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Oh I don't know [arstechnica.com] He has been doing favors for all his supporters, Like those car Dealerships whom supported him somehow manage to stay open.

    Nice red herring, but it doesn't have anything to do with the fact that teh whole uproar over Sotomayor was based on a single ruling out of all of her years in the federal judiciary. One ruling hardly justifies being called "pro-RIAA".

    But if you want to keep Diluting yourself into "hope and change" then don't mind me, go right ahead.

    Except I never voted for Obama and have disagreed with almost everything he's done. Doesn't mean I won't still correct people who are spreading nonsense.

  10. Re:Apparently the Obama administration doesn't by bledri · · Score: 3, Informative

    How is this a troll? Sure a link pointing out one of the reasons it's a red herring would have been nice but I don't see how it's a troll.

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  11. It's monopsony by collusion by Animats · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's an illegal restraint of trade under US antitrust law. It's not "monopoly", which is sell-side, it's "monopsony", which is buy-side.

    Farmers classically face monopsony situations. This was much worse when most farm products moved only by rail. When there was only one buyer with a rail loading facility in an area, farmers were really screwed. That's why there are so many farmer's cooperatives in the US, and USDA efforts to control monopsonies. For what it was like before that, see "A Deal In Wheat", from 1903.