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City Slicker Birds Shun Their Country Cousins

According to scientists, city Great Tits prefer other city Great Tits over country Great Tits. (Lets act like adults). The researchers found that the city dwellers responded more strongly to songs of fellow city dwellers and the same held true for the bumpkins. The average minimum pitch of male Great Tit songs in noisy urban areas was higher than in quieter, rural areas just a few miles away. Dr Rupert Marshall, of Aberystwyth University, Wales, and his team recorded bird song in 20 different cities in Britain. He says, "People speak louder and higher in noisy places like pubs and bars but still recognise their friends' voices once they go outside. Great tits seem to learn the high notes from their neighbours but don't respond as strongly to lower rural tones even when it's quiet."

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  1. Better Idea by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Funny

    According to scientists, city Great Tits prefer other city Great Tits over country Great Tits. (Lets act like adults)

    Yeah, we could do that. Or we could plug what you just said into Google translator and translate it from English to Hindi to Estonian back to English again:

    According to researchers, large cities and large country breast breast-feeding a baby, like other big cities do. As adults (Act I)

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    1. Re:Better Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I ran the gamut using Google translator starting from English cycling translations alphabetically from Albanian all the way through to Vietnamese (but skipping Chinese), then finally back to English:

      According to scientists, city Great Tits prefer other city Great Tits over country Great Tits.

      becomes

      Large and powerful countries and cities, as well as research on breast cancer.

    2. Re:Better Idea by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I prefer to round-trip them until they stabilize ;) Greek has fun with capitalization. Japanese goes off on a tangent about milk. Korean has a funny second cycle. The hebrew translation gets really excited.

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  2. City tits are perkier than country tits by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great tits from the city are higher and perkier than tits from the country. The country tits are lower, and the city tits don't give them the time of day.

    It's not really any wonder, though. Everyone prefers perky tits.

    1. Re:City tits are perkier than country tits by clang_jangle · · Score: 4, Informative

      No way -- even though I'm in my 40s now, guys tell me I have great tits all the time -- and I'm a country girl! My country tits are *quite* perky.

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    2. Re:City tits are perkier than country tits by ciaohound · · Score: 5, Funny

      *quite* perky

      Your slashdot name suggests otherwise.

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    3. Re:City tits are perkier than country tits by Leafheart · · Score: 5, Funny

      No way -- even though I'm in my 40s now, guys tell me I have great tits all the time -- and I'm a country girl! My country tits are *quite* perky.

      Pics or it didn't happen

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  3. Slight problem... by delta419 · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...no one on here knows anything about Great Tits.

    1. Re:Slight problem... by xs650 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wrong. I've seen pictures of them

    2. Re:Slight problem... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you ever SEEN CowboyNeal?

      I think we may be confused over what he meant by 'great'.

      I think he meant great as in 'awesome', not great as in 'fucking huge'.

      But I could be wrong.

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    3. Re:Slight problem... by sumdumass · · Score: 3, Funny

      Are you sure those weren't Pictures of Cartman's ass?

      I hear it looks like a set of hot boobs that aren't easily distinguished from real ones.

  4. The study isn't sufficient. by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They would need to examine the reaction of different populations from the countryside to see if the reaction is simply one of disputes between avian clans. As it stands, their data could mean too many different things. The adage, often repeated here, is that correlation is not causation.

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    1. Re:The study isn't sufficient. by DeadPixels · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, this study just went tits-up.

    2. Re:The study isn't sufficient. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Informative

      They would need to examine the reaction of different populations from the countryside to see if the reaction is simply one of disputes between avian clans. As it stands, their data could mean too many different things. The adage, often repeated here, is that correlation is not causation.

      As your knowledge of bird behavior stands, yes, it could mean just about anything. When you know nothing else but that correlation exists, then this in fact does not indicate causation. However when someone possess knowledge of other factors that suggest causation, then correlation can in fact support the causation conclusion.

      In this case, a "dispute between avian clans" can easily be ruled out. You see, when a breeding male tit hears the call of another male tit nearby, that male will sing its own song to proclaim its territory, or investigate the source of the call in order to drive the intruder out. If the male country tit recognized the call of the male city tit, but didn't like city tits, then it would have responded more aggressively in trying to drive out the intruder. The lack of a response means that the country tit did not consider the city tit to be a threat, making the most likely explanation that the country tit didn't recognize the city tit's song as being that of a Great Tit at all.

      There is as they say more research to be done. The next step is to see how females from each group respond to the calls of the other group. This is going to be trickier. While a male will react to any male that enters its territory and thus threatens its chances to mate, a female may or may not respond to the call of a male for any number of reasons. However if city tit females routinely reject the calls of country tit males and vice versa, then the question of whether the female recognizes the male call but just doesn't like it vs doesn't see them as the same species becomes largely moot. If the females aren't attracted to the other males, they won't breed, and they will slowly begin to separate as species.

      On the other hand, if females don't appear significantly less attracted to the other males, then well I'm not really sure what would happen since I'm not terribly well versed in Great Tit behavior. It might mean more females breeding with multiple males on the edge of cities since the city/country males wouldn't compete with each other. It might mean that a bird born from mixed parentage would learn both songs, possibly eliminating the difference.

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    3. Re:The study isn't sufficient. by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Funny

      See what happens when someone acts like an adult. We learn stuff. Man, I hate to learn stuff.

      On the plus side I did get to say "tit" like fifty times.

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  5. Is that really a surprise? by Rei · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They're undergoing divergent evolution. It's not like we haven't seen this before. Pigeons are rock doves that have adapted to urban life instead of their traditional cliff-dwelling habitat.

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    1. Re:Is that really a surprise? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is it necessarily evolution? Or is it simply training? I bet if I took a bird egg from the country and swapped it with one from the city, that the birds would identify with their adoptive culture.

      Either way the result will be evolution. Even if the different call is learned behavior (which they theorize is the case), if the females from one group won't respond to the calls of the other (which they haven't tested yet) then they won't interbreed and barring substantial egg-swapping efforts by humans they are effectively different species on their own evolutionary paths.

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    2. Re:Is that really a surprise? by JordanL · · Score: 2, Informative

      This just theoretically reduces the alleles available to given sample... it isn't genetic evolution, which I think is the point being made.

      And it's a fairly valid point. There is a big difference between differentiation and evolution, and the blurred line between them by many "science buffs" is why they're scoffed at by ID proponents.

    3. Re:Is that really a surprise? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Informative

      This just theoretically reduces the alleles available to given sample... it isn't genetic evolution, which I think is the point being made.

      Change in allele distribution is evolution. And once there are two separate breeding populations, any further mutations or allele frequency changes will not be transferred to the other group, and thus clearly it is only a matter of time until they are different enough that anyone can see that genetic evolution has taken place.

      And it's a fairly valid point. There is a big difference between differentiation and evolution, and the blurred line between them by many "science buffs" is why they're scoffed at by ID proponents.

      The line is blurry, and the inability of ID proponents to comprehend this, and most other things they ignorantly scoff at, is why they are scoffed at by biologists.

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  6. Adaptation - Evolution by Afforess · · Score: 2, Informative

    This is obviously a prime example of an adaptation creating a new and distinct species. In a few years, the city birds will no longer interbreed with their rural counterparts, and the inbreeding will cause them to mutate and adapt differently. In 100 years the two groups will be in two very distinct species, with one having the upper hand in our modern climate. I'm sure this is already beginning to happen to other species, but its just because of birds shorter gestation period and lifespan that it is appearing first. Just wait, in several hundred more years, humanity will have reshaped all of the species on this planet, for good or ill.

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  7. So going to get modded down, but I have to. by hbean · · Score: 5, Funny

    Nothing beats waking up in the morning, looking out your window and seeing a pair of great tits.

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    1. Re:So going to get modded down, but I have to. by EkriirkE · · Score: 3, Funny

      One of them is likely to be a cock, though

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    2. Re:So going to get modded down, but I have to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, I'm gonna have to disagree there. Seeing them on the same side of the window definitely is better.

  8. Act like adult? On slashdot? by digitalgiblet · · Score: 3, Funny

    98% of slashdot readers applied for the job of "watching Great Tits" without reading the article (this IS slashdot).

    You would think they would be disappointed on their first day of work, but the fact that they were issued binoculars let to great job satisfaction.

  9. i myself prefer boobies by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Informative
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    1. Re:i myself prefer boobies by digitalgiblet · · Score: 3, Funny

      Little known fact: many bird species were named by male scientists who really, really needed to get out and socialize more.

  10. New niches - Specialization - Sub Species by Co0Ps · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's interesting how human urbanization affects the behavior of animals, creating new niches and possibly new sub species as in this case. Once at a large parking lot I saw small birds jumping up and eating the insects that got stuck on the cars registration signs and windshields. Apparently, they had specialized in this, cleaning out new cars that got parked. In the future, we will probably have a set of animals that are completly dependant of the urban environment and human activities.

  11. Oh come on! by hellfire · · Score: 4, Funny

    (Lets act like adults)

    Really? You want slashdotters to have a mature, serious discussion with no inuendo about "Great Tits?" You have to be out of your mind!

    Well if you are so offended by our elementary school breast humor, then all I have to say is tough tits!! Get over it!

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  12. Tits and low brow humor by yerktoader · · Score: 4, Funny

    city Great Tits prefer other city Great Tits over country Great Tits. (Lets act like adults).

    Or we could take George Carlin's view on the low brow - if you can't laugh at a fart joke...

  13. I have seen a better Great Tits headline by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2, Funny

    I have seen a better Great Tits headline. A while back on the BBC there was this one: "Great tits cope well with warming". It was about how this species of bird is doing well with the warming environment.

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