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FSFE President Urges Community To Strengthen Open Source As a Brand

Georg Greve, founder and president of the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE), has an insightful look at FOSS from a brand perspective with urgings that the community come together and strengthen open source as a unified brand. "There are plenty of false enemies to go around. Ironically, the most common form of false enemy is found around the animosity that has built around branding and framing issues, more specifically in the area of 'Free Software' vs 'Open Source.' Name-calling and quarreling on either side is not helpful, and serves to hide the common base and interest in having a strong brand and powerful message. The historical facts around Free Software are well documented and available to anyone who wishes to look them up. But instead of focusing on past insults and wrongs, I believe our focus should be on the future. We should realize that what divides us pales in comparison to what we have in common and that division and exclusion are harmful to us all. So we should rein in the name-callers on either side, and empower those people who know how to build cooperation, corporations, and positive feedback loops."

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  1. The Meaning Of "Free" by Rary · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Although he insists that there's no difference between "Free Software" and "Open Software", he needs to realize that he won't get far in truly creating a "brand", which he also refers to as "anyone's gut feeling", using a word that the majority of those "anyone"s out there have a "gut feeling" means something other than what he intends it to mean.

    To anyone who is not part of the F/OSS movement, "free software" means software that doesn't cost anything, and it always will. Don't try to change people's perception of words to match what your product is, change the words you use to steer people's perception of the product. If it's freedom you want to communicate, then do it with the word "freedom", or the word "open", or something similar, but not "free", which, when placed in front of a product (such as "software"), always implies "zero dollars" to the rest of the world.

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    1. Re:The Meaning Of "Free" by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with understanding the true meaning of the word Free is due to a lack of schooling. Many people don't know English, history or political science. Free State = A type of republican state government (Irish Free State, Orange Free State, Freestate of Thuringia, also 19th century US states where slavery was outlawed). Free Trade = I think it is obvious that trade is not gratis. Live Free or Die (New Hampshire motto) - I think it is clear that NH is not a Gratis State. "We begin with the proposition that the right of freedom of thought protected by the First Amendment against state action includes both the right to speak freely and the right to refrain from speaking at all," Chief Justice Warren Burger wrote for the majority in Maynard.

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  2. why does open source need marketing? by convolvatron · · Score: 3, Insightful

    unless you belong to an open source organization, it doesn't seem at all clear
    that open source as a concept needs to maintain 'branding' at all.

  3. Okies by Narpak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But instead of focussing on past insults and wrongs, I believe our focus should be on the future. We should realize that what divides us pales in comparison to what we have in common and that division and exclusion are harmful to us all.

    I guess I agree with him in this. There are people on all sides of these issues that are far too concerned about being right and preaching their "Right Way". Name calling and other childish behaviour is counter-productive. What is needed is good debate on the issues and without ad hominem attacks that only detract and distract.

    That being said my feeling is that those that idolizes various ways of distributing, publishing or retail of software is becoming increasingly marginalized; which is a good thing. Dogmatic subscription to an ideology is always a powerful activator for the Us Vs Them instinct that seems to run through so much of our public debates and arguments.

    1. Re:Okies by causality · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Take that into the public sphere. It is impossible to debate an issue on its merits, because the time necessary would be prohibitive.

      I'd wager that time has very little to do with it. More like, debating issues on merits would fatally wound, kill, bury, and hold funeral services for this concept that all viewpoints are inherently equal. They're not. Some of them are supported by facts and reasoning.

      For example, take the gun control issue. You know what I have never, ever once heard an anti-gun/pro-gun control individual comment on? The fact that every US state which has enacted conceal-carry permits has seen significant reductions in violent crime. They refuse to address this fact because this fact contradicts their position. Rather than consider whether their position no longer fits the available facts and whether it should be discarded and replaced with a different viewpoint, they just pretend not to notice the available facts. That means, these aren't "issues" at all that we're "debating", they are more like religious beliefs. The cost of doing things this way is seldom appreciated.

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  4. And what would that brand teach people? by jbn-o · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Name-calling and quarrelling on either side is not helpful, and serves to hide the common base and interest in having a strong brand and powerful message.

    Then let's hope the Open Source Initiative's days of calling free software activism "ideological tub-thumping" are behind them. I don't see branding as a means of teaching people about software freedom (the very thing the OSI doesn't talk about in their belief that businesses don't want to hear about user's freedoms), but I'm happy to learn about branding efforts that explicitly teach people about supporting software freedom for its own sake and defending it for future generations so as to build and maintain social solidarity. My experience is that efforts aimed at branding something typically aim for narrow commercial interests: convenience, ease-of-use, and reliability. These things are not bad but they are insufficient for teaching people to value the freedoms to run, share, and modify computer software; those values were chosen to meet the needs of proprietors—the people and organizations that don't respect software freedom.

    When it comes to teaching freedom, I don't have the trouble some say they have. I used to host a call-in radio show talking about free software and related issues. I didn't have problems explaining the philosophical difference between free software and open source nor did I have objections to playing various talks by people who went into the implications of this philosophical difference. More recently, I find that the essay "Why Open Source Misses the Point of Free Software" to be an excellent and not at all insulting essay on the philosophical differences between free software and open source. One of the essay's points that comes up repeatedly is how people who identify with each movement react in the face of powerful proprietary software. Open source advocates would go along with the proprietor, free software activists would reject the proprietor and work on something that would do the same job but respect user's software freedoms:

    The idea of open source is that allowing users to change and redistribute the software will make it more powerful and reliable. But this is not guaranteed. Developers of proprietary software are not necessarily incompetent. Sometimes they produce a program which is powerful and reliable, even though it does not respect the users' freedom. How will free software activists and open source enthusiasts react to that?

    A pure open source enthusiast, one that is not at all influenced by the ideals of free software, will say, "I am surprised you were able to make the program work so well without using our development model, but you did. How can I get a copy?" This attitude will reward schemes that take away our freedom, leading to its loss.

    The free software activist will say, "Your program is very attractive, but not at the price of my freedom. So I have to do without it. Instead I will support a project to develop a free replacement." If we value our freedom, we can act to maintain and defend it.

    I have to wonder what message any brand sends before I can agree to go along with it. The FSFE essay doesn't make that clear, despite the call to action in the third paragraph from the end.

  5. Careful! by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Who started the bickering over the FS vs OSS terms? None other than Richard Stallman himself. It's his brands he wants promoted at the expense of other brands. There is no Linux, it is instead GNU/Linux. It's not Open Source it's Free Software. He has started both those controversies and continues to fan their flames.

    So be careful with your heresies, or the FSF may excommunicate the FSFE.

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  6. Re:FOSS Brand?! by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, Linux is a brand (only the fatally jealous calls is GNU/Linux :) )

    That's enough to make it a 'known entity' amongst some, if it wasn't branded as such, each distro called themselves something completely unique, then they wouldn't have anywhere near the same amount of effort and support behind them. The fact that each distro can call themselves a Linux distro makes it completely different.

    I don't think we need a single thing to market when having many flavours is quite sufficent.

  7. Re:One should never RTFA, indeed ... by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed.

    There are people in the commercial realm who will claim that the differences between Open Source and Commercial are insignificant, and that the current state of the code should be the sole quality by which they are judged. And the Open Source people will foam at the mouth over it, because the differences are very significant.

    Then those same people will turn around and claim that the differences between Free Software and Open Source are insignificant.

    Compromises that grant others leverage over you are never insignificant.

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  8. Re:One should never RTFA, indeed ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Ok, I'll bite.

    The OSI and FSF license criteria are more or less identical. Or at least they were the last time I tried to compare them.

    Aside from the actual code, the licenses would form the substance of the movement, no?

  9. Re:One should never RTFA, indeed ... by Brandybuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why stop? For someone associated with the FSF to finally speak the truth on this matter is delightfully refreshing. There is no substantive difference between Free Software and Open Source Software. Yeah, you might be able to find some inconsequential differences that do not apply to any actual software, but that only proves the point of it not being substantive.

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  10. Re:False Premise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Open source is a random barbarian horde of software developers.

    Form wikipedia:

    A brand is a collection of experiences and associations connected with a service, a person or any other entity.

    As barbarians had its brand (loot, pillage and scoff off), so does F/OSS. It is associated with security, no-virus, gratis, hard-to-administer, BSA safe and whatnot.

    In eyes of non-believers we are one, we are legion.

  11. Excellent Points by Fantom42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This guy makes some excellent points that will no doubt fall upon many deaf ears.

    And to be honest its safe to ignore people like this if you are a hobbyist and don't care whether you will continue to have hardware support for your hobby machine. After all, you can just have some fun reverse engineering the drivers you need.

    The only reason to care about branding for open source and free software is if you actually expect businesses to embrace it and invest resources in developing things that work with it. You know, to enable doing the kinds of things people have come to expect to be able to do with a desktop computer.

    I remember a time when it was a fair challenge to get much more than vga out of xfree86 due to lack of drivers, and when many modems and ethernet cards simply didn't work in Linux. Printers same thing. Forget about a scanner or digital camera. It was a pain in the butt for anyone with aspirations to actually have a desktop useful for much more than tinkering with itself. This has always been a limitation of open source. Things have gotten much better. And for things to continue to get better, the community should put some effort into thinking about others' perceptions of open source and trying to improve them. This is how people (including executives with very little technical interest or knowledge) make decisions end up impacting our community.

  12. Re:The Bike Race Breakaway Metaphor by Qubit · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mindshare gains are to not accomplished by wasting energy squabbling with your logical ally. AFTER sufficient mindshare has been won from closed source--then squabble and be stupid if you want to! But meanwhile--cooperate on the breakaway!!!! It makes for a better race!!

    There's a lot of cooperation between the BSD and the GNU/Linux people. At least I think that there is. And there are a lot of people who call themselves "Open Source Programmers" who cooperate well with people who call themselves "Free Software Programmers".

    But at the end of the day the differences that I observe, personally, is that people that tend to use the term "Open Source" have a certain mentality that opening the source code is a useful business model, while people that use the term "Free Software" have more of a belief in the general freedoms to read, modify, and share software.

    As such, I don't think that you'll ever hear Microsoft or Apple talk about how they're contributing to the Free Software community. They'll always use the term Open Source because (again, my opinion) they don't believe in Free Software as a corporation. I mean, how could they and still sell MS-Windows and OSX?

    Anyhow, just an observation.

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  13. Re:False friends, as well as false enemies by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Exactly. I can write Secret GPL code for the Department of Defence and be in compliance.

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  14. Re:False Premise by seandiggity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    However, props if you guys can distance yourself from GNU and the FSF. That will do wonders for notability.

    Yeah, mad props yo. Let's forget those who began the movement...they're just hippies and commies and smelly anyway. Then we can be, um, "notable" and shit. Like Apple and Microsoft. Awww yeahhh.

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  15. I don't get this. by DeVilla · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Wait. This is the FSFE. They have something to do with the FSF, right?

    We should realize that what divides us pales in comparison to what we have in common and that division and exclusion are harmful to us all. So we should reign in the name-callers on either side, and empower those people who know how to build cooperation, corporations, and positive feedback loops.

    Ok. You first. Muzzle Richard and get back to us on how well that goes.

    Thanks