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The Pirates Will Always Win, Says UK ISP

TheEvilOverlord writes "The head of UK ISP TalkTalk, Charles Dunstone, has made the comment ahead of the communications minister's Digital Britain report that illegal downloading cannot be stopped. He said 'If you try speed humps or disconnections for peer-to-peer, people will simply either disguise their traffic or share the content another way. It is a game of Tom and Jerry and you will never catch the mouse. The mouse always wins in this battle and we need to be careful that politicians do not get talked into putting legislation in place that, in the end, ends up looking stupid.' Instead he advocates allowing users 'to get content easily and cheaply.'"

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  1. I don't think that's actually the industry's goal. by Pollux · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I believe the industry knows that you cannot stop 100% of software piracy. I don't think that's their goal.

    I remember back in 2000 when I went to my dentist. He sat me down and started making the usual small-talk, asked me where I worked, what I was majoring in in college, etc. When I told him I was a comp sci major, he brought up Napster. My dentist was using Napster. He went on and on about how computer illiterate he was, but he had no problems using Napster, and how he was finding songs on there from back when he was a kid, how he could find anything he wanted, and how simple it was to get whatever song he wanted...

    I believe the industry is just trying to make sure my dentist doesn't start downloading songs again.

  2. Amazon! by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Amazon has 89 cent downloads. And .99 to 3.99 albums (one per day). Pirates should check out Amazon!!!

    Here is what I've gotten (albums for less than $3.99) in 6 months:

    $ ls -d */* |cat
    Aerosmith/Big Ones
    Alanis Morissette/Flavors Of Entanglement
    Amy Grant/Heart In Motion
    Bob Marley/Live At The Lyceum
    Bon Jovi/Cross Road
    Boston/Boston
    Butch Walker/Sycamore Meadows
    Cary Brothers/Who You Are
    Creedence Clearwater Revival/Chronicle_ 20 Greatest Hits
    Creed/Greatest Hits
    David Bowie/Heroes
    Eagles/One Of These Nights
    Elvis Costello/My Aim Is True
    Forgive Durden/Forgive Durden Presents Razia's Shadow_ A Musical
    Heart/Make Me
    Inxs/Kick
    Jack's Mannequin/The Glass Passenger (Amazon Exclusive)
    Jackson Browne/The Pretender
    James Morrison/Songs For You, Truths For Me
    Jimi Hendrix/Electric Ladyland
    Joan Jett & The Blackhearts/I Love Rock N' Roll
    Joe Bonamassa/The Ballad Of John Henry
    Joshua Radin/Simple Times
    Kate Voegele/A Fine Mess
    Katy Perry/One Of The Boys
    Led Zeppelin/Led Zeppelin
    Madonna/Like A Virgin
    MC5/Kick Out The Jams
    Metric/Fantasies
    Mieka Pauley/Elijah Drop Your Gun
    Neil Diamond/Sweet Caroline
    No Doubt/The Singles Collection
    Pink Floyd/Animals
    Prince/Purple Rain [Explicit]
    Queen/News Of The World
    Robin Trower/Bridge Of Sighs
    Rod Stewart/The Definitive Rod Stewart
    Seether/Finding Beauty In Negative Spaces Spaces (Bonus Track Version) - [Explicit]
    Seth Walker/Leap Of Faith
    Shiny Toy Guns/Major Tom
    Soundgarden/Superunknown
    The Apples In Stereo/New Magnetic Wonder
    The Band/Greatest Hits
    The Benjy Davis Project/Dust
    The Go-Go's/Beauty And The Beat
    The Pussycat Dolls/Doll Domination
    The Weepies/Hideaway
    The White Tie Affair/Walk This Way
    The Who/Who Are You
    U2/No Line On The Horizon
    Van Halen/Van Halen
    Van Halen/Van Halen II
    Various Artists/Motown Number 1's Vol. 2
    Whitesnake/Whitesnake
    Yes/The Yes Album

    1. Re:Amazon! by Crookdotter · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If I got that right, that's 54 albums, so in cost that's $215 you've spent right there. I bet I could have the majority of that on a torrent in a day or two, for nothing.

      What's the incentive for pirates to look at amazon?

  3. Wow, progress being made, but ... by soporific16 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    they're still calling us pirates. I like to think of myself as someone who likes to walk around the tollbooths the entertainment industry puts in front of everything, not walk through them. Haven't they got enough money? How many copies of my favorite albums do i have to buy to replace the ones i lost, or had stolen or whatever? Because the tollbooth owners don't care about that sort of fairness, how can i be expected to WILLINGLY put up with the hassle of the tollbooth experience when i can just walk around? The ISP guy got it spot on in one regard -- the only way to combat the culture that has developed to avoid this hassle (ie filesharing) is to make stuff dirt cheap and mega accessible. But there's no or very little profit in that is there, and so here lies the contradiction of trying to own something in digital form and make "good healthy profits". Normally i would sarcastically say "good luck with that" but its simply not funny that while they're trying to make these healthy profits we have to put up with all the associated nastiness of their stand-over tactics and absurd propaganda... can we have the revolution now please?

  4. Re:They hit the nail on the head by janwedekind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You can't stop copyright infringement but you can inhibit free culture.

  5. Re:They hit the nail on the head by joaobranco · · Score: 4, Interesting

    we need to be careful that politicians do not get talked into putting legislation in place that, in the end, ends up looking stupid.

    or even worse, introduces new problems without solving the intended ones.

    Trouble is, some of the new problems it introduces (namely overbearing policing of actions online, bordering on a police state) are not usually seen as problems by the politicians (at least those in power or which hope to achieve it soon), but rather goals that they date not describe publicly...

  6. Re:Of course... by msouth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    but you were copying to crap cassette tapes. You didn't have digital audio tape. Why not? Cuz the RIAA won that one.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Audio_Tape

    As long as the technology was localized, where they could attack a single format, target manufacturers, etc, they could keep it under their thumb. Things are, I think, fundamentally different now that digital copying and digital redistribution is ubiquitous.

    You weren't making anything like the quality of copy that is possible now, and you had no way to anonymously dump a million crappy cassettes for other people to pick up, either.

    Although technically you might have called what you were doing piracy, I think the Internet has fundamentally changed the game. He might have needed to say "piracy at this scale" vs. just piracy, but functionally it's just a minor quibble.

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    Liberty uber alles.