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9th Circuit Says Feds' Security Checks At JPL Go Too Far

coondoggie writes with an excerpt from Network World which explains that the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals "this week ruled against the federal government and in favor of employees at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in their case which centers around background investigations known as Homeland Security Presidential Directive #12 (Nelson et al. vs NASA). The finding reaffirms the JPL employees claims' that the checks threaten their constitutional rights. The stink stems from HSPD #12 which is in part aimed at gathering information to develop a common identification standard that ensures that people are who they say they are, so government facilities and sensitive information stored in networks remains protected." At issue in particular: an employee's not agreeing to "an open ended background investigation, conducted by unknown investigators, in order to receive an identification badge that was compliant with HSPD#12" was grounds for dismissal.

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  1. Expect retaliation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whistle-blowers get protection from retaliation, but you know anyone who complained about this policy probably doesn't have friends in high places. Anyone who complains can expect their career to stagnate or progress slower than it would have if they had said nothing.

    Such is the way with large employers.

    1. Re:Expect retaliation by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We owe a great deal to those who brought this case.

  2. Re:They're smoking that wacky weed again. by belmolis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, but no. Federal employees do have rights, as the court has ruled. If the matter were settled, it wouldn't have ruled that way, would it?

  3. Of interest by ShadowRangerRIT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    From TFA, these in-depth background investigations were being conducted for personnel in non-sensitive jobs. I'd understand the checks for jobs which require clearance, but in this case they are wasting resources background checking everyone who works there, for the sake of uniformity. It's a bit over the top.

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  4. There are Constitutional rights here by gavron · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm sorry that's how it is in your country, but in the US the Federal Government has to abide by the Constitution and all right not specifically given to the Federal Government (by same) are reserved elsewhere. (See the 9th and 10th Amendments.)

    That means that it's not really about the people being harassed and forced to undergo invasive searches (See 4th Amendment) finding another job. No. It's about their job being just fine, and the Federal government having to be reasonable with its searches and seizures. (Again, 4th Am.)

    That's how it is in our country. If you don't like it, watch the door doesn't hit you in the ass on your way out, and remember to wipe your feet on the "good riddance to those who don't respect civil liberties" doormat.

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    1. Re:There are Constitutional rights here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'm sorry that's how it is in your country, but in the US the Federal Government has to abide by the Constitution and all right not specifically given to the Federal Government (by same) are reserved elsewhere. (See the 9th and 10th Amendments.)

      Unless, of course, we're talking about the 2nd Amendment. That one doesn't count and needs to be whittled down, restricted, and otherwise weakened.

  5. Re:you would not know why you failed by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you failed the background check, you had no way of learning the reasons. Though you could technically appeal, what would have been the good of that had you not known why.

    Kafkaesque.

  6. Re:Don't breakout the champagne yet by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That sure is carefully worded. The absolute difference between the averages is only 13%, and is only 20% of the smaller number. It also quietly ignores all the decisions that are not considered for appeals (meaning when a case from the 9th is appealed, it is somewhat more likely to be overturned than other courts, but saying nothing about what percentage of all the cases heard in the 9th are overturned upon appeal).

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  7. Re:They're smoking that wacky weed again. by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can someone please tell me what things like that damn suitability matrix have to do with suitability to work? Such as sexual orientation, traffic tickets, bad checks, eviction, incest, and bestiality have to do with ability to Science?

    Well, when the Science is super-ultra-secret, all of those things indicate possible ways that a foreign power could exert influence over a scientist to cause them to fork over the super-ultra-secret scientific information (i.e., through blackmail or bribery).

    It's fairly likely that new incoming employees still have to submit to the background checks. At this point, many many federal employees do, and the level of probulation depends on the level of access to information given (e.g., confidential, secret, or top secret).

    (On a side note, it's interesting that they treat marijuana with kid gloves compared to other drugs.)

  8. Re:A sample of the background check by billcopc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    It blows my mind that they could use language like "homosexuality could be a security issue" in this day and age. And since when is sodomy "irresponsible" ? Is Fred Phelps a federal consultant on security matters now ?

    As the almighty MC Frontalot often says, "You shouldn't ought to be intolerant about who queers like to fuck"

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  9. Re:They're smoking that wacky weed again. by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I read that PDF - when was it written, 1955? Carnal knowledge? Sodomy? What?

    I work on Naval vessels, and that requires a NATO security clearance. That's because - surprise - they don't want just anybody looking at the weapons systems. Some of that stuff is of vital importance to the military. THey want to keep it there and not give the bad guys leverage on me. The idea is that if I participate in one of those activities and Someone From Asia finds out, they might pop over to my house for a visit.

    "Hey, Beardo. It sure would be a shame if your boss found out about your DUI... or that carnal knowledge. Can you copy document 1992FITH-559G for me? It's not even Classified. Anyway, see you tomorrow."

    It seems antiquated at best, but there's SOME logic to what they're going for. I'm not saying it's current, but it's the Federal Government. They move S.L.O.

    (The W. is in processing and will be sent after approval from the joint committee on W approval.)

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  10. Re:Don't breakout the champagne yet by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And the entire point of my post is that they aren't as "wacky" as you'd like to believe. Hell, look at the 5th circuit. If it weren't for a couple low years, its turnover rate is surprisingly high. Same goes with the 6th and 10th circuits in the later years of the data.

  11. Re:They're smoking that wacky weed again. by Migity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Umm...couldn't the President (Obama) just overturn this directive? After all, It's not called the "Homeland Security Presidential Directive" for nothing.

  12. Re:They're smoking that wacky weed again. by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I might accept traffic tickets and bad checks as potential indicators of trustworthiness... but carnal knowledge is listed as a class C offense (with D being the worst), along with sodomy. Carnal knowledge commonly refers to sexual acts in general (knowledge of the flesh). Sodomy commonly refers to anal and oral sex (legal in most states, should be legal in all states (providing there is mutual consent, of course)), and much less commonly bestiality. While I think that it is absolutely ludicrous to think that either of those things indicate trustworthiness (Many people have carnal knowledge of their spouse on a regular basis, likely including our President, the majority of our armed forces and intelligence agencies, as well as Senate members of intelligence subcommittees... a significant amount of those same people also likely engage in sodomy as well). This is really humorous in light of J Edgar Hoover and his rumored sexual proclivities... especially since this is the sort of thing I could see him creating.

    During the cold war, closet homosexuals and married but cheating husbands who stood a lot to loose have turned state secrets over to the Russians surrounding the threat of exposure of those acts. Basically, anything that could publicly humiliate someone or present financial strain is a security risk. We had subs that would attach leaders to Russian telecommunications cables and was listening in on conversations for years, it was exposed to the Russians for 35K when a worker who was dissatisfied with his position and in economic trouble turned over information on it.

    Ultimately, I hope we use this situation as an opportunity to modernize and revamp the security clearance process without causing undue security risks. I believe a review of the efficacy of the varied suitability matrix in determining security risk would have been sufficient, but if it has to happen under the auspices of Constitutionality, so be it, as long as it is done in a timely fashion and does not break the process of Government security clearance screening.

    Perhaps an ask and tell policy is worth implementing. The issues you raised are only a security problem if they somehow apply pressure to the person. Suppose you don't want your wife to know you were by and tried sex with a sheep once, that could be my leverage to get you to do things you would never otherwise do (even if it's something as simple as dropping infected USB sticks around the facility in hopes that someone will plug it into a computer to see who's it is). Now suppose you fears loosing you job over that information, would you then be willing to do even more? But if you declare the information, that can never happen (assuming they aren't anal about the truth). And if they keep the information private, then instead of fearing the loss of your job, or your wife finding out, then you report it to a JPL liaison officer who gives you fake information while tracking the spy down and taking the entire ring out with hopes of never exposing you. And if you are exposed, the liaison officer simply claims it was part of a cover operation you participated in when we knew someone was poking around looking to steal secrets.

    Personally, I would prefer this over just disqualifying someone. Knowing who and why someone is seeking unauthorized information is more powerful then preventing the possibility in the first place. However, discretion needs to be made.