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20th Anniversary of the Dawn of Dot-Com

btempleton writes "It was 20 years ago today when I posted to USENET the public launch of ClariNet, my electronic newspaper service delivered over the Internet. By finding a way around the NSFNet acceptable use policy, ClariNet was the first business founded to use the Internet as its platform for business, and the era of the 'dot-com' had begun. For the anniversary I have written a history of the founding of ClariNet and early internet business, which outlines how it all came down. Readers may also enjoy the included anecdote about what I term 'M5' reliability, where the news system was so robust that, like the M5 computer on Star Trek, even those authorized to do so were unable to shut it off; and a story of the earliest large SF eBook effort."

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  1. Nonsense! by The+Pirou · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's all just a series of tubes!

  2. So we should blame you? by caerwyn · · Score: 4, Funny

    So in other words, we should ultimately blame you for the commercialization and spamming of the internet?

    I'm not sure you should have told us that...

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    1. Re:So we should blame you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      This guy, whom you speak of, is Brad Templeton. He just so happens to also be the Chairman of the Board of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

      I think we owe him (and the EFF) a little gratitude for sticking up for all of us who want to use the internet in free and open ways, and NOT the manner in which corporations would prefer you to.

      I'm kinda glad he helped start the commercialization of the internet. And glad that he is also working hard to protect it as a medium of information exchange that we all value so much.

    2. Re:So we should blame you? by hondo77 · · Score: 3, Funny

      So in other words, we should ultimately blame you for the commercialization and spamming of the internet?

      Wrong guy.

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    3. Re:So we should blame you? by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Perhaps, but he sure was annoying back then.

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    4. Re:So we should blame you? by shri · · Score: 3, Interesting

      BUT, in 1989 or 1990 (when I first got access through Turing on virginia.edu), ANY personality flaws would have been ignored for access to RHF and Clari. Not that I know Brad, but seriously, at any point in time we've all annoyed people. As long as they remember you for something other than the annoyances, it does not matter in my books.

  3. Sgt. Salt by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "It was 20 years ago today..."

    Beatle plagiarist! I'm tellin' the RIAA!

    1. Re:Sgt. Salt by btempleton · · Score: 3, Informative

      I put that in quotes in the story, but the /. editors took 'em out. They also took changed "the dot-com" to just dot-com in the title which reads wrong to me, but who knows?

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  4. so you're the one, huh? by Red+Flayer · · Score: 3, Funny

    By finding a way around the NSFNet acceptable use policy, ClariNet was the first business founded to use the Internet as its platform for business, and the era of the 'dot-com' had begun.

    Oh, so *you're* the asshole who started the commercialization, by shady interpretation of a use policy you agreed to, no less.

    I bet next you'll tell us that you're also the asshole who sent the first spam.

    jk... mostly.

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  5. Holy Heck! by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was in 1989 that I had my first account, at OCF.berkeley.edu... I posted something to comp.sys.amiga trying to get consensus as to whether or not it was a good idea to spend $300 on a 20 MB external HD for my A500. Those were the days. I didn't realize 20 years had passed.

    sigh.

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  6. let's see how long 'first' lasts... by Josh+Coalson · · Score: 4, Funny

    the best way I know to find out you were not first at something is to post on slashdot that you were.

    1. Re:let's see how long 'first' lasts... by btempleton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's actually part of my goal. Sure, I wanted to tell the story of the part I played, but I am genuinely interested in documenting the history of that time. The memory blurs after 20 years so I would like to hear more stories told.

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  7. Tooting One's Own Horn by courtarro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This story is all well and interesting, but I imagine it's impossible to prove that you're the first business to make money exclusively over the internet. You might be "one of the first", but to go all the way to the birth of my business represents the birth of dot-com is a bit vain, no?

    1. Re:Tooting One's Own Horn by btempleton · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm happy to include others claims, and I do mention a variety of other companies. But there's a pretty good chance it was the first, because the flamewars over it were pretty much assuming that, and I know I was the one to convince Steve Wolff that it would be OK to do a business over the internet sold to universities and labs. So whoever might have been doing it earlier (which is entirely possible) kept a low profile, but I would be interested to document their story. Perhaps it's a bit vain, but what of it?

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  8. M5 was not robust by actionbastard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    M5 suffered from the same megalomania and psychosis that its creator, Dr. Richard Daystrom, suffered from. This was the result of Daystrom having used his own 'memory engrams' in M5's programming.

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  9. I remember ClariNet by roc97007 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember ClariNet. I remember thinking, "why in God's name should I pay for something that I can get for free?"

    But it turns out, there are people who will do that, and the rest is history.

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    1. Re:I remember ClariNet by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I hear what you're saying, but ClariNet wasn't an ISP, it offered wire news services for a fee. It means you could flip on your terminal, fire up the Telebit, dial into your service provider, (or work, as may be) and then, for a fee, access news stories from wire services. As opposed to, for instance, turning on the radio. Utterly redundant now, but it was all the rage, sometimes literally, back then.

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  10. First, Brad? What about J. T. Toys? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seems to me I got a catalog from JT Toys (now JT's Stockroom at www.stockroom.com) in 1988. Sex is always first.

  11. No, he's not. by actionbastard · · Score: 4, Informative

    This guy is.

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    1. Re:No, he's not. by btempleton · · Score: 3, Informative

      Check the first reference on that wikipedia article. I'm the guy who first interviewed him, so of course I know about him. But DEC, while it did that ad over E-mail, was not what we would consider a dot-com.

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  12. Decline of Usenet by bughunter · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Oh, so I can add you to my list?
    • 1989: ClariNet published
    • 1991: First pornographic video binary [estimated]
    • 1993: Eternal September
    • 1994: Canter & Siegal
    • 1995: DejaNews

    Damn you. Damn you all. I miss usenet.

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  13. Re:Tomatoes by snowraver1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "It's a very simple process," she says. "Anyone can do it. We plan to start selling the spray - 'Genie Mist' - in a matter of weeks. One bottle will sell for five dollars and be capable of treating 6,000 seedlings."

    Act now! And that's not all! Call within the next 5 minutes, and we'll DOUBLE your order for FREE! That's 12,000 seeds! It's fun for the whole family! Look at grandma! She loves tomatoes! MMM MMM! But wait, there's more! For a limited time only, we'll throw in three flavor sprays to make the tomato actually taste good! Groovy Grape! Outrageous Orange! And Crazy Cap'n Crunchberries! ACT NOW!!!!

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  14. NSF by Korbeau · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... so these Non-Suitable-For pictures and videos started in the 80ies!

  15. Some things never change... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good to see some things are eternally consistent. Brad is still trying to convince anyone who will listen he's The Most Important Person On The Internet. As it was in the ancient days, so it is today.

    I remember ClariNet (having been on the net for a couple of years). I remember the bullshit megalomania. I remember the bright flameout. I remember all the subsequent, desperate attempts to to portray the whole thing as vastly more important than it was.

    If *everyone* who comes after you does it better than you do, maybe you really aren't that innovative.

  16. Always a pleasue to visit Brad's site by HKcastaway · · Score: 2, Informative

    The history, t his blog. Well worthwhile site. I find looking at his panoramic photos very relaxing.

    Yeahh I know my post is not relevant.

  17. Ah, 1989, I remember Clarinet by ljhiller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1989 was also the year I got out of the IBM360 / Bitnet ghetto and got a real unix account with real IP/TCP connections. Clarinet. The was always the server I kept seeing references to, but never found out what was there because they expected me to pay to look.

  18. Re:It just ain't fair! :-P by thoughtspace · · Score: 3, Funny

    Not typos, just those bloody bit errors on your acoustically coupled 300 baud modem

  19. This should have come from someone else by ActusReus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think that claiming a "dot-com" four years prior to the initial release of NCSA Mosaic is absurd. If we're going to contort definitions THAT far, then the first dot-com was probably on Prodigy or Compuserve or maybe even BBS'es in the 1970's.

    While I respect and appreciate this post contributor's involvement in the EFF... this particular conversation seems like an awfully self-serving attempt to shoehorn "inventor of the dot-com" onto a resume, a la Al Gore and his infamous "creation of the Internet". Templeton COULD have a claim to this title, but it would feel far more legitimate if he had someone else making the "nomination" as opposed to all the extremely vigorous self-promotion.

    There's a reason why Google's search-ranking algorithm works the way it does... because your legitimacy as a public figure depends on how many OTHER people are talking about you, rather than how many words you spew yourself. If you want to move to the top of the heap, you need to use a link farm (i.e. having some other people write stuff like this to Slashdot on your behalf).

    1. Re:This should have come from someone else by ActusReus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I believe we're all aware of the distinction between a web browser and "the internet", sir. The more contentious question seems to be the distinction between Usenet and a "dot-com".

      You claim that that a business platform on TCP/IP-based Usenet is a "dot-com", whereas a business platform on TCP/IP-based email is not. In the hands of a disinterested third-party, this distinction has little merit. In the hands of a biased party in search of bragging rights, this distinction is an absurdity.

      Not only do we understand your point here on Slashdot, but Slashdot may be the ONLY place where it would even be entertained and discussed. In the hands of everyone else on the Internet, a "dot-com" is a website... and this whole conversation is silly.