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SAP — Open Source Friend Or Foe ?

pavithran writes "Does SAP, one of the largest business companies offering software solutions, support FOSS as a movement? Why is SAP looking at closed and open source in a similar way? This shows lot of ambiguity in SAP's attitude towards open source software. I found an interesting article in Linux Journal on whether SAP is an open source friend or foe, by Glyn Moody. Here's a quote from the article: 'For an outfit that calls itself "the world's largest business software company," the German software giant SAP is relatively little-known in the open source world. With 51,500 employees, a turnover of 11.5 billion euros ($16 billion) last year, and operating profits of 2.7 billion euros ($3.8 billion), SAP is clearly one of the heavyweights in the computer world. Given that huge clout, SAP's attitude to open source is important; and yet it is hard to tell whether it is really free software's friend or its foe. ... A company that wished open source well would back these ideas. One that really supported free software would also fight against software patents. So, while SAP's involvement in Eclipse and investment in open source companies is welcome — and pretty self-interested, it has to be said, given that it presumably hopes to make a profit on them — it's not really enough cancel out its unhelpful attitude and statements elsewhere. If it wants to be a serious, respected player in the world of open source, as befits its size, it must do better.'"

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  1. Answer: Publicly Traded Company by linumax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is all.

    1. Re:Answer: Publicly Traded Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bingo. Whose side is SAP on? SAP's.

      The question for the Open Source Community is how should Open Source relate to structurally self-interested entities? While the article's enumeration of SAP's relationship with Open Source is a useful starting point for discussion, framing the discussion as "Friend or Foe" is a misleading oversimplification.

    2. Re:Answer: Publicly Traded Company by WinterSolstice · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SAP has a track record of acting in only their own immediate term interest.

      For years, SAP was best buddies with Oracle - then they switched to being best buddies with IBM. Then they bought Adabase and made that atrocity that is SAPDB.
      Which they sold to MySQL.
      Which is now spun off yet again.
      Some products were Windows only for a very long time, and the GUI still is for the most part. The Java GUI is multi-platform, but still missing stuff.

      As a long term SAP admin (basis) and DBA, the only thing you can count on from SAP is random acts of chaotic self-interest.
      They don't play Friend or Foe, they just play Best Buddy of the Moment.

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  2. I love the black and white thinking here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You must be a friend or foe, you can't be neutral on the subject. I prefer to use Linux without the dogma attached it it.

    It's non-starter.

  3. I had the same reaction by Presto+Vivace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why can't a company use FOSS when it is appropriate and proprietary when it suits their customers best? Software should not be a religious issue.

    1. Re:I had the same reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, you (or anyone else) deciding how I license and distribute my software is unethical.

      Don't force your "ethics" on me.

    2. Re:I had the same reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Simple. Non-free software is unethical.

      What kind of "free" do you mean?

      Totally free, or GNU "free-with-conditions".

      Because once you start attaching conditions like the GPL does, it's not totally free anymore, now is it?

  4. FOSS Zealotry at its finest by Dog-Cow · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Open Source is a Movement, you should see a proctologist. SAP doesn't need to be a friend nor a foe to it. They can and should be indifferent, as should 99.9999999999% of the world.

    The ideology is simply unimportant in the grand scheme of things. Only zealots feel a need to paint everyone in black and white.

    1. Re:FOSS Zealotry at its finest by msuarezalvarez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The ideology is simply unimportant in the grand scheme of things.

      That is false both in this context and in all contexts.

  5. OSS is not a religion to everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To some people FOSS is just software to get work done. So they use it where they see fit. They contribute where they see benefit. But they don't sacrafice themselve to the holy crusade of FOSS.

    Actually I would say this is how FOSS should work. If FOSS would have to rely on the altruism of companies it would be doomed. I don't think it is.

  6. It's pretty simple by geekoid · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SAP support Open Source in any tool that allows them to develop and interact with their product.
    The gnomes of SAP will never open SAP up.

    If you have ever looked at SAP structure or code you don't want that box open~

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  7. I do not understand this attitude by slashdotlurker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use open source software extensively in my work. I have also contributed open source code (not all GPL, but a good fraction of it is). I like open source for many things.

    However, I do not understand this expectation that software companies should help open source. Microsoft is a special case - it tried to work with hardware vendors to delay the rise of Linux, Openoffice, etc. However, when it comes to pure software competition, a company that makes its living off software (and is not interested in the pure free-software-pay-for-support model than open source encourages) cannot be expected to act against its own financial interests to earn brownie points from the open source crowd.

    Sometimes those interests will mandate open source participation. Other times, they won't. Interested in getting them to support open source ? Change market conditions to make it their interest to participate in open source. Open source might be religion to some, but it is simply an instrument for most of us. Pretty good instrument in most cases, but nothing more.

  8. It's a Mistake... by SwashbucklingCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... to treat a large company such as SAP as monolithic.

    Some inside of SAP will be FOSS friends, some will be foes, some will be neither. It depends upon the individuals involved, their attitudes, roles and the incentives SAP gives them.

    1. Re:It's a Mistake... by werfu · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed. I work for a multinational consultant firm (27k+ employee) and the official stance on open source isn't for or against either. If FOSS solutions are possible under a situation, that their TCO is less than their closed source equivalents and that the client is open to it, we usualy go the FOSS way. Most often its a mix of it. We use a lot of Java EE. Many Java EE containers use Tomcat as their application server too. We also use extensively Eclipse and customize it for our needs. Anyway... when you get to that size of company you can't have a global thinking against or for FOSS. Heck I know some guys that work at Microsoft that use Linux at home and do open source developpment too!