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SAP — Open Source Friend Or Foe ?

pavithran writes "Does SAP, one of the largest business companies offering software solutions, support FOSS as a movement? Why is SAP looking at closed and open source in a similar way? This shows lot of ambiguity in SAP's attitude towards open source software. I found an interesting article in Linux Journal on whether SAP is an open source friend or foe, by Glyn Moody. Here's a quote from the article: 'For an outfit that calls itself "the world's largest business software company," the German software giant SAP is relatively little-known in the open source world. With 51,500 employees, a turnover of 11.5 billion euros ($16 billion) last year, and operating profits of 2.7 billion euros ($3.8 billion), SAP is clearly one of the heavyweights in the computer world. Given that huge clout, SAP's attitude to open source is important; and yet it is hard to tell whether it is really free software's friend or its foe. ... A company that wished open source well would back these ideas. One that really supported free software would also fight against software patents. So, while SAP's involvement in Eclipse and investment in open source companies is welcome — and pretty self-interested, it has to be said, given that it presumably hopes to make a profit on them — it's not really enough cancel out its unhelpful attitude and statements elsewhere. If it wants to be a serious, respected player in the world of open source, as befits its size, it must do better.'"

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  1. I love the black and white thinking here.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You must be a friend or foe, you can't be neutral on the subject. I prefer to use Linux without the dogma attached it it.

    It's non-starter.

    1. Re:I love the black and white thinking here.... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 5, Funny

      Besides, it's obvious that SAP's real enemy is its users.

  2. OSS is not a religion to everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To some people FOSS is just software to get work done. So they use it where they see fit. They contribute where they see benefit. But they don't sacrafice themselve to the holy crusade of FOSS.

    Actually I would say this is how FOSS should work. If FOSS would have to rely on the altruism of companies it would be doomed. I don't think it is.

  3. Re:I had the same reaction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No, you (or anyone else) deciding how I license and distribute my software is unethical.

    Don't force your "ethics" on me.

  4. Re:Answer: Publicly Traded Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bingo. Whose side is SAP on? SAP's.

    The question for the Open Source Community is how should Open Source relate to structurally self-interested entities? While the article's enumeration of SAP's relationship with Open Source is a useful starting point for discussion, framing the discussion as "Friend or Foe" is a misleading oversimplification.

  5. SAP is open source by ingo23 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Technically speaking, SAP is probably one of the first companies to distribute the source code with their product. Any company that purchased an SAP product gets complete source code for the business application (except for the core, which is more like an OS). One does not even need to apply for access to it, the whole application part is developed in an interpreted language with the source, IDE, and debugger readily available.

    The article complains that SAP does not support all the OSS community initiatives (as if nobody in OSS world ever has had any disagreement) and backs software patents.
    As a software development company, SAP has no other choice than to hold on to their patent portfolio, even if for defense reasons. I am not saying that SAP will (or have) never sue anyone for patent infringement, but I have not heard of any widely publicized case of them doing so.

  6. Re:SAP - What Do They Do? by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Funny

    They let you optimize your business performance with integrated solutions.

    I can tell by the generic photos of smiling business people, that they can maximize my ROI with their virtual collaboration packages.

  7. Re:Answer: Publicly Traded Company by WinterSolstice · · Score: 5, Insightful

    SAP has a track record of acting in only their own immediate term interest.

    For years, SAP was best buddies with Oracle - then they switched to being best buddies with IBM. Then they bought Adabase and made that atrocity that is SAPDB.
    Which they sold to MySQL.
    Which is now spun off yet again.
    Some products were Windows only for a very long time, and the GUI still is for the most part. The Java GUI is multi-platform, but still missing stuff.

    As a long term SAP admin (basis) and DBA, the only thing you can count on from SAP is random acts of chaotic self-interest.
    They don't play Friend or Foe, they just play Best Buddy of the Moment.

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    An operating system should be like a light switch... simple, effective, easy to use, and designed for everyone.