Lucky Thirteen On the ISS

Hugh Pickens writes "Things may get a little tight in space as seven shuttle astronauts blast off from Florida on June 13 to join up with six colleagues already on the International Space Station bringing the ISS contingent to thirteen, the largest number of individuals on the platform ever at one time. The 13 space-farers represent seven from the US, two each from Russia and Canada, and one each from Europe and Japan. '"I don't know what it's going to be like," says Endeavour commander Mark Polansky, a veteran of two prior spaceflights. "We know it's going to be challenging with 13 people aboard."' During five spacewalks, an external platform will be added to the lab which will enable those experiments to be performed that require materials to be exposed to the harsh environment of space and astronauts also have to fit equipment to the exterior of the platform such as batteries and a spare space-to-ground antenna."

Comments

already delayed.

[beckett]

already delayed becuase of a hydrogen leak.

a Canadian astronaut was also inconvenienced.

Re:13? Didn't they read Harry Potter?

[MichaelSmith]

I though 13 was an unlucky number. Didn't Apollo 13 end in a bad way?

The ending was okay. The middle bit was a bit stressful.

Re:13? Didn't they read Harry Potter?

[argiedot]

Shit! You're right! As a matter of fact, the sum of the letters in the names of the three Shuttles still operational is 26 which is 2 times 13. If you take that two and multiply it by the difference in the number of letters between the Endeavour (9) and the number of people who will be on the ISS now (13) you get 8 which is the number of letters in the name 'Columbia'. We're all doomed.

Re:13? Didn't they read Harry Potter?

[GreenTech11]

You have too much time on your hands...

Need Another Seven Astronauts

[BlackPignouf]

Need Another Seven Astronauts!
And by the way, Europe is not a country.

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[lordholm]

By the way, many people see Europe as a country to some extent. This includes not only a lot of Europeans, it also include a lot of people outside of Europe.

Besides, Frank de Bruin is working for the EUROPEAN SPACE AGENCY, not the Belgian space agency, so just what was wrong with saying he is from Europe when he is sent up for European taxpayers money?

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[jabithew]

Why not? Justify your statement.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, there just aren't many definitions of 'country' that include the USA and exclude the EU. Common currency? Common language? How many Americans speak Spanish as a first language now? Common culture? You mean like Massachusetts and Louisiana right? Common government? Most of our law comes from the EU now. Constitution? Britain doesn't have a written constitution, but not many will deny that it is a country. If you view a constitution as a body of law then European law is pretty formidable.

Would the majority of Europeans describe themselves as European first? No. But neither would the majority of English, Irish*, Scots or Texans.

I don't disagree per se. But a country is one of those things you point at and say; "that's a country" without really knowing why.

*Though this one is more complex.

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[selven]

You're right, Europe except Switzerland is a country. Now that they surrounded Switzerland, they should just invade it so the map looks neater.

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[fbjon]

Identity. If a lot of people identify themselves as Europeans first, it would make sense to call it all a country, but most people don't (in my own obviously limited experience). I'm just saying that in the 27 years I've lived, I've never thought or heard anyone around here seriously think of Europe as a country, other than as a thought experiment, goal, or wishful thinking. I'm not saying it won't become a country at some point though, nor am I making a value judgment.

"Set of countries" is much more realistic, IMHO. Separate but united, sort of.

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[xaxa]

Why not? Justify your statement.

Not that I'm disagreeing with you, there just aren't many definitions of 'country' that include the USA and exclude the EU. Common currency?

Eleven countries of the European Union currently do not use the euro. They are: Denmark, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania.
(16 states do use it.)

Common language? How many Americans speak Spanish as a first language now?

The European Union has 23 official and working languages. They are: Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, Dutch, English, Estonian, Finnish, French, German, Greek, Hungarian, Irish, Italian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Maltese, Polish, Portuguese, Romanian, Slovak, Slovene, Spanish and Swedish.
Also, their use is very closely aligned with national boundaries.

Additionally, there are minority languages official only in some regions, like Welsh in Wales or Faroe in the Faroes.

Constitution? Britain doesn't have a written constitution, but not many will deny that it is a country.

The UK does have a constitution, but it isn't written in one document.

(Also, the GP said "Europe" was a country. Europe is a continent.)

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[Hurricane78]

By the way, many uninformed people see Europe as a country to some extent. This insults not only a lot of Europeans, it also include a lot of people outside of Europe.

There. Fixed that for ya.

The big problem is, that this "union" is force-fed to us Europeans, without there being a point to it.
That is the real thing here: There is a global "urge" to union us all, under one government. Thereby removing all abilities to go somewhere else, if you don't like it there.
Which unfortunately be, what many people want to do, with the current totalitarian oppression regimes rising.

And if you argue that you could make a new party. Then look at how well that works out for the current marionette governments of the USA, and pretty much every European (or even global) government.

What do you think is next? The north-American union is already in the making. Then comes the union of north-America and the EU. And then?
I am already on the brink of going to an island and founding my own country. But how am I going to protect it? Against a global union? Good joke.

Don't understand me wrong. I like people all over the world cooperating. But in a free way. That is what the Internet is for. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but it works stunningly well.
On the other hand, organizational globalization without a real point, is the removal of freedom, for control. Pure an simple.

P.S.: Wait for the governments starting to argue, that we must do it because of the economical crisis. Something deliberately created by those that now buy everyone else and invest in gold, to be the only ones surviving this "crisis" of a credit-based currency, that is scientifically proven to crash from time to time.

Re:Need Another Seven Astronauts

[metaforest]

The EU is a Federation... not a Nation.
They have a common bond only in the regional sense, no common language and only recently a somewhat central authority.

What's a European?

[njen]

There's nothing more annoying to "Europeans" than by labeling them all "Europeans". I learnt that the hard way by a very irate French woman and German man a year ago. "Europe" is not a country, the article doesn't say "seven from North America", does it?

Re:What's a European?

[Devil's BSD]

They represent the European Space Agency, which is why they were just labeled as European. Please direct any further complaints to the ESA main office, or the EU headquarters.

Re:What's a European?

[sakdoctor]

Many a stupid piece of political correctness, came from people deciding what would, or wouldn't be offensive to other people.
Those two people don't represent the other 700 million, who probably don't care, and are off to the pub.

Re:What's a European?

[Ragzouken]

I quite like being labelled a 'European'. It makes me feel like we're united.

Re:What's a European?

[lordholm]

I do not mind. I live in the Netherlands, have been living in the UK and is original from Stockholm and have a Belgian girlfriend.

I call my self European, I am pretty annoyed when people call me Swedish when this is clearly not how I feel. There is nothing more annoying than people calling Europeans by their statehood.

Europe is almost a country (it even has its own entry in the CIA world fact book because it has so many state like properties), and for any person who is not living here the EU is probably indistinguishable from a country, get used to it, this is the state of things right now.

Proud to be European!
Regards

Re:What's a European?

[ngdbsdmn]

I'm also an European and I don't mind being called that.

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I'm from Romania so a strong argument can be made that I like to be called an European in order to wash out some of the sin behind the dirt and corruption staining the name of my home country. Be that as it may, I'm a strong believer that a united Europe is the only way to proceed through the following decades from an economical point of view. I also believe that the countries in Eastern Europe will bring a lot to the table for all the other Europeans in the same time frame. Economical unity does not interfere much with cultural/national identity. Besides, I think on this front the US media machines did a lot more harm. So even though I may enjoy a Swiss landscape, French wine, German cars, English music, Italian spaghetti sauce or Greek oranges you can still bet your ass I will always hail the Romanian football team (idiots!), Romanian theater and Romanian sense of humor.

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6 days ago I voted in the election of my representatives in the European Parliament. After living in communism and bowing my head to Russia for decades, I know all too well why a united Europe is a good thing. So go ahead, call me European and see if I like it.

Re:What's a European?

[xaxa]

I quite like being called European. I don't much like the bits of culture that are specific to my country, but I do like the bits that are broadly European.

Re:What's a European?

[donaggie03]

I think we are all confusing two (or maybe more) different questions. Sure, if you ask various people what country they were from, or what their nationality was, they would say Spain, France, etc. But what would happen if that same Spaniard were visiting America and I asked him "Hey, are you European?" I guarantee you quite a few would say yes. I can say this with a somewhat high degree of certainty because of two reasons. First of all, if someone asks me where I'm from, I'll say Texas, but if someone asked if I was American, or from North America, then I would say yes. See, it is possible to be part of two political structures. A smaller one and a larger one. One of them you may confirm only if asked specifically, and the other you volunteer, because that's what you are proud of. Second, while I was in the Army, in Afghanistan, soldiers from all over the world would pass through. Many of them would have uniforms and flags that I didn't recognize, so instead of possibly insulting someone from Portugal by asking if he was from Spain, I would ask if he was from Europe. They would just say yes, in whatever accent they had. I would then probably continue the conversation with "Oh, what country are you from?" and he would tell me. But they never denied being European, and they most certainly never got all huffy puffy about it.

Re:What's a European?

[osu-neko]

BTW, when was the last time your armed forces were used for defence ? Not since 1945 in my opinion.

If you apply a wide definition of defense, they're currently being used for defense. If you apply a narrow definition of defense, they haven't been used for defense since, I think, 1848. Certainly not in 1945 -- that was a war in another country, attempting to "preserve democracy" in nations where it was arguably none of our business. If you don't think American should project power abroad in that matter, we really should never have gotten involved in WWII. (And for those who say we were attacked, it should be noted that Hawai'i not only wasn't a state in 1941, it was a bit of territory we acquired by means far, far more dubious than our acquisition of the Phillipines -- if we just stuck to our own defense, the Kingdom of Hawai'i would still be its own country, or at least it would have been until become part of the Empire of Japan.)

Note, I'm not saying we shouldn't have come to Europe's aid in 1945. I'm just saying there's no reasonable interpretation of your statement. If your definition is wide enough, our current military engagements are defensive. If it's narrow enough, our use in 1945 wasn't defensive. And I don't see any definition where our use of military force in WWII would be considered defensive, but nothing since would. So if your opinion is that the last time was 1945, it's inconsistent somehow. Figure out what you mean by defense, then pick a date that would actually match that use. The most common definitions will yield either 1814, 1848, 1865, or 2009, depending on how wide or narrow you go. 1945 isn't really a consistent option.

Re:13? Didn't they read Harry Potter?

[xaxa]

If you believe in numerology...

...then I really hope you have nothing to do with the space industry.

I read the subject line as...

[selven]

Lucky 13 using IIS

You can't make this pi$$ up

[clyde_cadiddlehopper]

Perhaps this is a stress test for the urine separator in microgravity. Ridiculous, you say? Last year 8 gallons of urine / day were collected for reclaim tests. (Honestly, how many astronauts does it take to install a "front porch" for the Kibo module? Certainly not 13.) NASA needs to know how to deal with large volumes of human waste on an extended mission.

Re:13? Didn't they read Harry Potter?

[melikamp]

No problem, the old greybeard in charge of the project just needs to supply one fine burglar, and the mission is a guaranteed success. At least financially. A few brave dwarves may die in the process, but it's a small price to pay for scientific progress.

Potty Mouth

[zaivala]

Sure hope the rest rooms hold up...