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Open Source Car — 20 Year Lease, Free Fuel For Life

ruphus13 writes "The race for a hyper-fuel-efficient car is on in a big way. Now, Riversimple has tried to leverage the knowledge of the masses to bring its vision to reality soon with a car that gives the equivalent of 300 miles to the gallon. 'The idea to build an open source car isn't a new one, but you've got to give vehicle design company Riversimple credit for originality. The company plans to unveil its first car in London later this month, a small two-seater that weighs roughly 700 pounds. If you agree to lease one for 20 years (yes, 20), Riversimple will throw in the cost of fuel for the lifetime of the lease...The team decided to release the car's designs under an open source license in order to speed up the time it takes to develop the vehicle while also driving down the cost of its components.'"

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  1. 700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The company plans to unveil its first car in London later this month, a small two-seater that weighs roughly 700 pounds.

    A car that will never sell anywhere in the US due to total inability to pass crash safety test. I'm actually surprised that it can be sold anywhere in the first world, to be honest.

    1. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by selven · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And what if you need to go a long distance without carrying anything, like the majority of people that have long commutes to work?

    2. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't see the point of very small cars like this. If I don't need to carry anything I will ride my bike. If I do then I use my big, inefficient van. A small car wouldn't be much use to me because it can't carry much.

      Yes, it certainly is a total piece of crap because it doesn't suit your lifestyle.

      Many countries are full of tiny cars, where they serve as the primary (and inexpensive) vehicle for many people, some of who either can't afford a full-size car or are moving up from scooters and motorcycles. It might sound strange to you, but there are many countries where automobiles are not a religion, and paying a fixed lump sum a month to own a car is an attractive option. Plus, if you've ever seen the tiny winding streets of many European cities, you'll realize that this car isn't all that impractical in the right setting.

      Of course, forget about it in the US, except maybe in Oregon.

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    3. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by BlackPignouf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Introducing bigger cars into the market is a zero sum game for car safety, and a net safety loss for pedestrians.
      This car would be safe enough without all those SUV's.

      Time will tell, but as soon as oil prices are high enough, those kind of car will become a necessity, while SUV's will have to stay parked.

    4. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I call shenanigans on this. Australia has a population density of 2.6/sq. km. The USA has a population density of 31/sq. km. That means that the US is nearly 1200% more densely populated than Australia. With the exception of rural folk like farmers and miners (who need them), "Soccer Moms", and other types that have their heads filled with The American Dream, almost no-one drives American-style big cars here. Quite a few of my friends get around without cars at all - bikes, public transport, motorbikes/scooters, etc. Many of them own unnecessarily big houses, just because they're cheap, and yet they're doing fine getting around. I'm sorry that your automotive industry have ignored your needs and pushed a bunch of expensive and unnecessary cars on you, but please don't try and pretend America's natural geography somehow requires a car, much less the SUVs that are dominant. It's everything BUT geography at play here.

      And before you start criticising me for taking your comment out of context, keep in mind that GRANDPARENT was discussing both cars and car sizes.

    5. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by mauriceh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The paradox of this simply amazes me.

      If it were a motorcyle there would be no trouble with selling it.

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    6. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by rubberchickenboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I live in Japan, one of those countries where small cars are prevalent. Kei cars aren't exactly 700 lbs. but the smallest are close. This country is decidedly not third world, last I checked.

    7. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Quad bike"? Come on! You people invented the language.

      -Peter

    8. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by lupis42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On another note, I've always felt that SUVs were more or less entirely bad, in the sense that they don't do anything well: they can't carry as much stuff as a van or pickup, they can't carry any more people than a large station wagon (there were seven seat wagons long before there were SUVs), they mostly suck off road, they use more fuel than any two of these other options, they generally drive quite poorly, and because the headlights and bumpers and center of mass are higher off the ground, SUVs do more damage to other drivers at night, blind oncoming drivers at night, and block visibility at intersections.

    9. Re:700 pounds -- goodbye safety standards! by billcopc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ob.: Move closer to work, or get a job somewhere more convenient ?

      You only have one life to live. I'd rather not spend mine stuck in traffic, which is why I'm quite glad my office is only 2 miles away from my apartment and an 8 minute bike/bus/cab ride.

      A long commute does not add value to your job. If you work a 40-hour work week, and your commute is an hour each way, it's kind of like taking a 20% pay cut. Well I'd rather take a job that pays 20% less and spend those two free hours on something else, like arguing on slashdot ;)

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  2. 20 years?! (stupid gimmick) by MultiModeRb87 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well I guess that means they aren't planning on marketing this in the Northeast, or anywhere that there's occasionally snow on the ground. I doubt that much of that 700 lbs would *not* be riddled with rust long before that lease would run out. Seriously, why lease a car for 20 years? And what'd the lease payment be? Not to mention the fact that you could probably just buy the damn thing (or maybe even a nicer car) using a 20 year car loan and cover the fuel out of pocket for far less than what you'd pay these jokers. Effectively locking in the cost of fuel for 20 years may sound attractive, but in practice it's more likely a win-win for the company --sure, you don't pay extra when fuel prices go up, but you also miss out on the downward fuel price fluctuations. The company is certain to make more money from you than you'll get out in fuel in any case, since if the prices are such that the deal would seem to work out in your favor, the company will just go bankrupt.

  3. Re:20 years?! (stupid gimmick) by miasmic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I doubt that much of that 700 lbs would *not* be riddled with rust long before that lease would run out.

    If you RTA you'll see that the bodywork is made from carbon composite. I don't think it's that unreallistic for a car to still be going after 20 years - how many cars are there around on the roads from 1989/1990? Still quite a few (esp. Japanese made), in some parts of the world the majority of cars are that old or older.

    But this post is a great illustration of how many people view cars as throwaway, disposable products, good for only 10 years. Cars don't just impact the environment with CO2 emissions, the material and energy cost of production, maintenance and disposal have to be taken into account, and it's about time seeing a manufacturer taking responsibility in this regard, rather than cashing in on the easy profits of throwaway consumerism

  4. Organ Donors by charnov · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Smart ForTwo weighs over 2.5 times as much (1880 lbs.) in large part to the hardware required to pass those crash tests.

    How well do, for example, motorcycles pass crash tests?

    Motorcycles don't. You get into a wreck with another vehicle, you die. We refer to motorcycle riders as "organ donors" in the US.

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  5. Re:Drove over 800 miles in last three days by Dun+Malg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Cars should be banned within city limits. This simple rule will save more lives than the last 30 years of cancer research. Cars are like cockroaches, getting rid of them in cities would be a blessing.

    That's just plain stupid. Take a look at the map of the city I live in. It's 30 miles in diameter, and there's nothing but other cities outside those city limits. There simply is no means by which a mass transit system could replace the road system in my city, as there is absolutely no "center" that people go to--- everyone lives somewhere else and goes to a different place to work. You probably live in one of those "cities" with 300K people that can easily be served by two light rail lines and a dozen buses. When you have a greater metropolitan area that's home to 12 million plus people that spans a dozen city entities in two counties, mass transit becomes a much bigger problem than can be solved by an idiotic handwave of "just ban cars from city limits".

    I won't even begin to address the issue of what you consider "cars" and what constitutes a legitimately necessary vehicle. No... I will. Do you expect supermarkets to get food deliveries by bus? Is the plumber going to bring tools and 10-foot lengths of copper pipe to your house on the subway? Are old people who can barely walk expected to somehow drag 30 pounds of groceries home a kilometer from the nearest transit station? No, I'm guessing you'd suggest some sort of "permit" system that'd allow certain "special" classes of people to have personal vehicles... and like any such system, those with money would be able to game it and drive as they please. So what you're really suggesting is that poor people should be banned from driving in the city.

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