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How RIAA Case Should Have Played Out

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "If a regular 'country lawyer' like myself had taken a case like the RIAA's in Capitol Records v. Thomas-Rasset to court, he or she would have been laughed out of the courthouse. But when it's the RIAA suing, the plaintiffs are awarded a $1.92 million verdict for the infringement of $23.76 worth of song files. That's because RIAA litigation proceeds in a parallel universe, which on its face looks like litigation, but isn't. On my blog I fantasize as to how the trial would have ended had it taken place not in the 'parallel universe,' but in the real world of litigation. In that world, the case would have been dismissed. And if the Judge had submitted it to the jury instead of dismissing, and the jury had ruled in favor of the RIAA, the 'statutory damages' awarded would have been less than $18,000."

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  1. RIAA by bbroerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I have not purchased a CD in almost 10 years, and I will not purchase another CD from an RIAA label EVER. That is the only way we can make our voices heard... DO NOT BUY FROM THEM.

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    Logic is the beginning of reason, not the end of it.
  2. Re:I think you have it backwards by langelgjm · · Score: 5, Informative

    Your fantasy-land in which intellectual property has no value, and clearly guilty people have the cases against them dismissed... that's the imaginary one.

    Did you even bother to read Ray's post? I'm guessing not.

    Ray points out some extremely simple things that were overlooked. Here's one example:

    The jury should have been required to make findings as to (a) the date defendant commenced using an âoeonline media distribution systemâ (Kazaa) and (b) the copyright registration effective date of each work they find was infringed. The jury could have been instructed that no statutory damages could be awarded as to any work whose copyright registration effective date was subsequent to the date of defendant's commencement of use of Kazaa [or the Court could itself have made that determination based on the answers to the verdict form].

    I don't recall the exact details off the top of my head, but basically if you want to bring a lawsuit over copyright in the U.S., you need to have registered that copyright. Under Berne, copyright attaches at the moment of creation (fixation), but the U.S. requires registration of works if there's going to be a case about it (at least for domestic works). This is a simple technical detail, but if the works were registered after any copying or distribution happened, it is an important fact.

    Also, Ray is not saying IP has no value.... sounds like you have an axe to grind and are just looking for a place to do it.

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    "Anyone who [rips a CD] is probably engaging in copyright infringement." - David O. Carson
  3. Are the songs really worth that much? by VinylRecords · · Score: 5, Funny

    I purchased the full albums (and a few singles) of the songs that she downloaded and put them on eBay in one single auction. I put the listing at $1.92 million for the starting bid. However, eBay took my listing down, thinking it was a fraudulent listing. I tried explaining to them on the phone that these 19 CDs worth of music were worth $1.92 million, I even linked them THREE DOZEN news articles reporting the value.

    Here's a list of the songs she downloaded.

    http://www.p2pnet.net/story/23534

  4. Re:NYCL by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The RIAA is just doing anything they can to stay in business, like any good capitalist business should.

    Now that's funny. A "good" capitalist business should roll with the changes, should cater to their customer, should work with their customer, should take advantage of technology, etc. The RIAA is not a business. It is a lobbying group. It is comprised of businesses. A good business would sue someone who stole their property for the amount of losses they experienced. We do not have that going on here. We have a hilarious trial that stinks to high hell where you are fined $80,000 per song you downloaded in copyright violations.

    The businesses that support the RIAA are past due on realizing that the RIAA has outlived itself. Now it's just a monster run amok and the consumers are the victims.

    You are without help if you believe the RIAA is just another capitalist business trying to get by in tough times.

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    My work here is dung.
  5. If you're on a jury for cases like this, NULLIFY. by SexyKellyOsbourne · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're ever on a jury in the United States, the legal system will wrongly try to convince you that they're either guilty or not guilty, but there is a third way: nullification or veto powers.

    This is when you think the law is bad, or you otherwise cannot convict them under it by your conscience. It still exists to this day, but simply remains mostly unknown.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification

    In this case, I would have absolutely nullified a potential $2 million fine. Did she do it? Sure. But it's a bad law resulting in excessive fines.

    It only takes one juror who knows his or her rights to stop this kind of crap. For more information as your rights at a juror, see the Fully Informed Jury Association.

    http://fija.org/

    -SKO

  6. Monday morning quarterbacking by Grond · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The blog post ignores the fact that a trial is a dynamic process. Had he made the arguments he lists, then RIAA lawyers would quite likely have countered them with appropriate arguments and evidence. For example:

    Liability-Reproduction right
    Plaintiffs failed to introduce an iota of evidence that Jammie Thomas-Rasset had made a single copy using Kazaa.
    Result: directed verdict on reproduction right.

    If he made that argument at trial, the RIAA would almost certainly have introduced evidence that bit-for-bit identical copies of the songs in question are available on Kazaa, that such an identical copy is unlikely to have occurred if she ripped the song herself, and that she didn't own the albums in question. Circumstantial evidence, perhaps, but probably enough to get the issue to the jury instead of a directed verdict.

    Some of his statements are questionable as a matter of law:

    The jury should have been instructed that a "work" is an album, and that multiple mp3's from one album constitutes a single "work".

    There is not particularly strong precedent on this issue. Some courts have held that this is the case, it's true, but as best I can find they were only district courts and not in the same circuit as Minnesota (where the Thomas case was held), further diminishing their already merely persuasive authority. I do not believe there is any mandatory authority on this point for the District of Minnesota, which means that the RIAA lawyers may well have been successful in persuading the judge to adopt a one song, one work basis for calculating statutory damages.

    Some of his statements sound impressive but wouldn't have made a difference:

    The jury could have been instructed that no statutory damages could be awarded as to any work whose copyright registration effective date was subsequent to the date of defendant's commencement of use of Kazaa

    A quick check at the US Copyright Registry of a random selection of the songs that Ms. Thomas infringed shows that they were registered many years ago, in some cases over a decade ago, and easily predated any infringement by Ms. Thomas.

    Ultimately, this is about drumming up interest in his law firm and ad revenue from his blog, which Slashdot happily hands him about once a week or so. It also does a lot to poison the potential jury pool for future copyright litigation, which is of great interest to a lawyer who works those kinds of cases on the side of the defense. One should take everything Mr. Beckerman says about these issues with a grain of salt appropriate to the magnitude of his self-interest.

    In short, this is nothing but Monday morning quarterbacking, and not particularly good quarterbacking at that. It should also tell one something that most of his legal arguments are not backed up by citations to relevant authorities.

  7. Re:Makes sense by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've started to wonder what the real value of "Jamie's playlist" really is.

    If she would have had the option of "buying these works outright" what would
    their appraised value be based on actual current revenue? What might the
    asking price for those works be when compared to something like commercial
    real estate?

    I suspect that the RIAA made out like bandits and they got a payday for these
    works that dwarfs their actually real value by far.

    Really. How many copies of "Pour Some Sugar On Me" were moved in 2004 or even
    today? This could be relevant Album sales, singles sales or tracks on iTunes.
    This is information that seems to be sorely lacking from this discussion.

    What is the actual value of a 25 year old Journey song?

    How does this jury award compare to the actual annual revenue recieved from these works?

    --
    A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.