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NIH Spends $400K To Figure Out Why Men Don't Like Condoms

The National Institutes of Health has given $423,500 to researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute to figure out why men don't like to wear condoms. The institute will also study why men have trouble using condoms and investigate "penile erection and sensitivity during condom application." "The project aims to understand the relationship between condom application and loss of erections and decreased sensation, including the role of condom skills and performance anxiety, and to find new ways to improve condom use among those who experience such problems," reads the abstract from Drs. Erick Janssen and Stephanie Sanders, both of the Kinsey Institute.

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  1. Here it is for 5c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For men with smaller or chopped foreskins, condoms interfere with sexual pleasure and frankly, when I'm in bed with a beautiful naked girl, the last thing I need is for a cock sock. Pretty naked girl overrides sanity, to the point where if the condom gets in the way, the logical answer is to rip it off and go without.

    Slashdot, news for nerds. Now bringing you, sex for geeks.

    1. Re:Here it is for 5c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As a circumcised guy, it's more or less completely impossible for me to get off when using a condom. Sex feels vaguely warm, and that's about it. Not only that, but after a while of trying to get off and failing, my penis becomes so desensitized that I can't even get off through masturbation after I give up at sex. And this is using ultra thin condoms, even the kimono ones.

    2. Re:Here it is for 5c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A public service announcement for all citizens of the US of A: stop mutilating your children's cocks.

      Seriously, what is the matter with you nutjobs? The idea that circumcision promotes cock health is long since disproven. Put the knife down. Step away from the cock. Thank you.

    3. Re:Here it is for 5c by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Fortunately, at least half the population has gotten the message, and there are some hospitals (like UCSD) where you can't get newborns circumcised at all.

      I mean, if my sons want to be circumcised one day, that's up to them. I'll even pay for it. they can get general anesthesia and take pain relievers while they're recovering. I'm not worried about them having a 0.5% increased chance of contracting STDs until they're at LEAST 12, though, so I saw no reason to have them surgically altered at birth.

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    4. Re:Here it is for 5c by JorDan+Clock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't care what the studies say; Getting your partner tested for STDs before having sex with them doesn't require removing a piece of your own body and is even more effective at preventing the spread of STDs.

      Logic sucks, doesn't it?

    5. Re:Here it is for 5c by retchdog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK, but in this scenario (repeated intercourse without barrier), the circumcision (reduces risk by 50%) won't help either. Let p be the baseline probability of infection; let n be the # of times of intercourse. The probability of being clean afterward with circumcision is (1-(0.5*p))^n which is approximately equal to (1-p)^n for any n larger than 10 or so. Seriously, plug in values for p and plot the two curves against n.

      Circumcision "gives you" about something on the order of 10 "free fucks" before your risk catches up; but at the point it catches up you basically have a very low chance (<<5%) of being clean anyway, so... yeah, not a viable strategy for an individual. It might be effective in an epidemic model, where lowering the transmission rate even slightly can change the graph topology, which is what the research is toward.

      In short: possibly effective at treating entire populations which don't understand/accomodate safe sex; absolutely bollocks at helping an individual in a developed country.

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  2. Perhaps by arizwebfoot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe because it feels like you're trying to mate with a garden hose.

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    1. Re:Perhaps by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What is it with you guys marrying these women that hate sex.

      I found me a good old fashioned nympho. I get it twice a day, more if I want it. She is an absolute sex freak.

      Is she a full 10 barbie doll? nope. She's a 6.8-7 but I'm far happier than my friends with the high maintenance arm candy they rarely get to touch.

      Who cares if she looks good in lace once every month, go find an average girl that is not screwed up in the head and likes sex, you will be far far FAR happier.

      Dating a hot chick is a waste of money and time.

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    2. Re:Perhaps by blackest_k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I kind of feel sorry for your wife, you make her sound like a car.
      Attractiveness is more than just looks and not bragging rights.

      There are some women who look great but are not anything like attractive once you get to know them. Even the ones that are will not look so great after 20 years and a few kids and neither will you.

      Physical looks are not that important what makes a woman attractive is who she is, I know I married a beautiful woman and she's better than a ten in my eyes, i don't care how anyone else would rate her and the interesting thing for me is her score improves the longer I know her.

       

  3. Brings up another issue. by Gerafix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Another issue, and one might say more important, is that there are so few options for men for birth control. Let's see, we have... condoms or sterilization. Great. One isn't reliable and the other can have serious side effects. How about we put that money into researching new and improved methods that have fewer and less severe side effects? Personally I would absolutely take hormonal treatments if the side effects were reasonable. It drives me crazy that as a society we are complacent with half our population not having a reliable and effective means for preventing unwanted pregnancy. Better yet things like RISUG would be absolutely wonderful, yet they don't get researched in western bureaucracy because it wouldn't be profitable enough than having people constantly paying for condoms or hormones. The injustice that has befallen us males is absolutely cause for a revolution in how we conduct health care in our society.

  4. What exactly is the main thrust of the study? by Toonol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If it's to study "why men don't like condoms", as it is being widely reported, then yes, the study is a waste of money. The reason is obvious to anybody that's ever used one.

    However, if the study is "how can we FIX what men don't like about condoms", then the study becomes very important, and might benefit society immensely. If a condom could be constructed that didn't impede feeling at all, there would be huge benefits, a great reduction in unwanted pregnancies.

    Also, if they made one that felt BETTER, we could eliminate women altogether.

  5. Cheaper than treating AIDS for 1 1/2 people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    >>"a project government watchdogs say is a nearly-half-a-million-dollar waste of taxpayer money"

    the lifetime cost of treating an HIV-positive person exceeds $400,000 and can run as high as $648,000

    (http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid19334.asp)

    So, if only TWO PEOPLE on government health care (Medicaid, Medicare, Veterans or Prisoners) DON'T get AIDS as a result of this study, then it saved us money.

    I'd say that's a pretty good investment.

  6. Re:Vasectomy by qbzzt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry, but both sound like losers. Withholding such important information from a spouse / potential spouse is a recipe for disaster.

    At least your friend won't procreate.

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  7. Another political cheap shot at public expense by tgibbs · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I knew when I saw this news item that it would turn out to be dishonest. There is one very obvious reason why men don't like to wear condoms ("it doesn't feel as good...duh"). So I suspected immediately that this isn't actually what the study is about, and it's just a matter of a politician or lobbyist phrasing it this way to try to score a cheap shot at the expense of the public welfare. Because, of course, there is a huge public benefit to condoms: The reduce unwanted pregnancies, which often end up imposing a substantial financial and social burden on the public. And they reduce the spread of diseases that also end up costing the public money, not to mention placing those dear to us in peril--sometimes mortal peril.

    And while men don't much like condoms, there are many reasons for them to want to use them--to protect themselves against disease, to protect themselves against unwanted financial obligations, and even out of consideration for their partner's well-being.

    So any change that would shift that balance a bit to encourage correct usage of condoms, even by a small amount, could provide a huge public benefit.

    But of course, there are always going to be some selfish people who don't care about protecting other people's health, or reducing the financial burden on the public from diseases and unwanted pregnancies. All they see is a chance to score a benefit for themselves or their own cause--and if it ultimately at the expense of the public, well, that's not their problem.

  8. Re:Easy Answer by Hubbell · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll give them the answer for free, but I'll gladly take a 50k donation, or even 1k:
    IRC log which html in slashdot posts is gonna fuck up, but oh well:

    [19:39] Hubbell> 450k to find out why men don't like condoms [19:39] Hubbell> are they serious? [19:39] Hubbell> i can tell you why [19:39] Hubbell> cause they reduce the sensation [19:39] Hubbell> and [19:39] Hubbell> its so much more enjoyable to bust inside a bitch [19:39] Hubbell> than to bust inside a condom [19:39] Hubbell> mother fucking common sense
    bam. answered in under a minute.

  9. Re:Easy Answer by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or to quote a Farker when the same story showed up there the other day:

    "Same reason you don't like eating steak with a balloon an your tongue... you can feel it, but you can't taste it."

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  10. Re:Government by hedwards · · Score: 5, Insightful

    $400k isn't worth even contemplating. To put it into context $15 billion dollars is roughly $1 per week per person living in the US. $400k is such a tiny amount of money that it would cost more to find things that small to cut than it would save to actually cut them.

    But, despite your "insightful" comment, it is in fact a very important thing to be studying, follow up research to remedy the problems could very well save multiples of that amount on things like STI education.

  11. Re:I'd think it was obvious to any man by MrCrassic · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They smell bad,

    A lot of Durex's higher end stuff doesn't smell at all.

    they distract from the spontenaity of the moment,

    If you're partner is willing, you can make it a part of the moment. No loss.

    they decrease sensitivity,

    While this is true, the good, thin and reliable latex condoms don't mitigate it by that much. From what I've heard, polyurethane condoms are an excellent alternative with CRAZY sensitivity, but it's a bit risky considering that its effectiveness is not as "guaranteed" as latex condoms.

    they're never handy at the moment you want them,

    Ever trying putting it in your wallet or a cool place? If you're girlfriend's a long-term, have you considered leaving a set at her place?

    they're disgusting to take off,

    Subjective.

    they're awkward to dispose of.

    Also subjective.

    Despite that they're a good trade when weighed against the possibility of 18 years of child support, or your penis turning green and falling off.

    Exactly. It's all subjective.

  12. Re:Government by cgenman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The average aids patient in the US will spend $600k on treatment throughout their lifetime. Assuming the aids infection rate in the US is 50k people per year, that's $30 billion dollars per year being lost to HIV related medical expenses. If this study comes up with some general guidelines that encourage a mere tenth of a percent more people to wear condoms, that's still preventing 50 cases of aids in the US each year. That's a potential savings of 30 million dollars per year on a one-time fixed cost one mid-sized mining truck. That's a 75x ROI in the first year alone.

    Heck, if ONE PERSON avoids getting aids due to wearing a condom after reading this slashdot article, the program has recouped. And that's just in raw drugs cost alone, let alone lost work hours / family troubles, giving it to other people, etc. HIV is so hugely expensive that anything we can do to reduce infection rate is basically worth it against our bottom line.