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US Open Government Initiative Enters Phase Three
circletimessquare writes "The Obama administration opened a discussion forum in January of this year which has become an electronic suggestion box. It is now entering stage three, following brainstorm and discussion phases: the draft phase, in which the top subject matter is codified into suggestions for the government. 'Ultimately, the visitors advanced more than 3,900 ideas, which in turn spawned 11,000 comments that received 210,000 thumb votes. The result? Three of the top 10 most popular ideas called for legalizing marijuana, and two featured conspiracy theories about Mr. Obama's true place of birth.'"
The Government's leading expert on marijuana says legalize it. He claims it causes less damage to society and health than both tobacco and alcohol. Look him up. His name's Dr. Donald Tashkin.
Health Freedom is almost as popular as Freedom itself.
Hmm. Our economy is a disaster. We have two wars going on with no real plan to get out of either. We have a health care problem in this country that nobody has proposed a meaningful solution to. The national debt is increased every year with no end in sight. We have multiple states on the verge of financial ruin. Our national infrastructure is falling apart in many ways and places. Our education system is falling behind further every year.
And several critical countries around the world are increasingly unstable; including one that is developing nuclear weapons and ICBMs that could reach our country.
And for some reason marijuana is an important issue? Are you kidding me? I don't see how it could possibly be more relevant than any of the issues I already listed. If we could solve all of them, then I would be comfortable with our national government looking into this "marijuana issue" (whatever the hell the issue is). But until then I don't see why it merits the time of our government.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
The article gets it right in saying it is a "suggestion box." All we can do is suggest to our rulers what we want them to do: they still get to decide. This is still not democracy. It's barely even a democratic republic.
If you want real democracy, please consider joining the Metagovernment project which is a collective of projects working to make governance a truly open system for everyone.
Also, consider attending Participation Camp. The virtual meeting started this morning, and there will be a brainstorm session tomorrow morning (1500GMT, ie 11:00 AM Eastern).
Just for kicks:
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=author%3AD-P-Tashkin
And cherry picking one result just to fan some flames:
Pulmonary hazards of smoking marijuana as compared with tobacco
TC Wu, DP Tashkin, B Djahed, and JE Rose - N Engl J Med. 1988 Feb 11;318(6):347-51
"We conclude that smoking marijuana, regardless of tetrahydrocannabinol content, results in a substantially greater respiratory burden of carbon monoxide and tar than smoking a similar quantity of tobacco"
Yes, there's more to it than that. And yes there are 612 items listed under that google search. And no, I didn't read through them for a counterpoint. Feel free. But I have no problem believing him to be a gov't funded expert. (note that doesn't make him a government expert.)
Every way? Now lets not exaggerate. Have you any idea how much time and energy has gone into getting people to give up Tobacco now that they're accustomed to it? Or to get people to drink responsibly?
Sure it may turn out to be more or less harmless, but this is the same sort of poorly formed logic that leads people to conclude that we ought to legalized the possession of all forms of firearms. It's easier to change our mind to allow it if it proves to be safe than it is to get people to give it up should it prove to be dangerous. Remember it's the burden of proof of those that want legalization not those that view it as being harmful.
Well no, irritating symptoms could simply mean that people who have chronic schizophrenic symptoms anyway sometimes get acute attacks if they use Marijuana, not that they would be symptom free. People who go through the stress of basic training sometimes initially show schizophrenic symptoms there, but that doesn't mean either that joining the Army causes Schizophrenia or becoming a pacifist innoculates one against it.
Scizophrenics normally have a long list of things they should avoid while carefully using the medications their doctor prescribes instead. Alcohol both directly irritates schizophrenia AND negates the beneficial effects of some prescription meds. Once in proper treatment, even a patient that has found a good mix of Dr. prescribed drugs may have to change repeatedly, and their doctor is likely to tell them not to take even such normally safe drugs as Doxylamine (an over the counter sleep aid) without being observed for how it might affect them.
The best outcome for outpatient treatment for a Schizophrenic often depends most on whether they have friends or relatives who are smart enough to spot what may be interacting with their treatment and concerned enough to get them back to the doctor early when something does.
What BKX didn't mention is there are forms of hemp that do not have the same stoner effects that could be legalized, but aren't because law enforcement can't easily tell the difference. Or at least that's the reason often cited.
.. .that would never happen. Who would vote in something that gave our government less control.....
Imagine giving tobacco farmers a replacement crop that would provide them a great income and not have the same social stigma tobacco has. It might be possible that with such a change, growing tobacco for cigarettes would be reduced, naturally driving up the cost of cigarettes and further reducing usage WITHOUT government intervention, while increasing tax revenues from the sales of all the hemp products.
Nah
For the record, I am for the legalization of marijuana, the stoner kind. I smoked 30 years ago and so did many people who have since stopped. It's obviously not addictive, except for those that can get addicted to anything.
I also have glaucoma, and spend $100/month (even after insurance) for tiny bottles of eye drops to reduce the pressure. The drops sting when I put them in three times a day. I'd much rather sit out on my back patio a couple times a day and enjoy a little toke.....
I rarely read replies, it's my opinion and if you thought about your opinion a little more, I'm OK with that.
A well armed society is a polite society.
Yep. That explains the military.
"A congresswoman said Thursday that her "jaw dropped" when military doctors told her that four in 10 women at a veterans hospital reported being sexually assaulted while in the military."
"Twenty-nine percent say they were raped during their military service."
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/31/military.sexabuse/index.html
Fuck all of you. You still believe that schoolboy bullshit about how the country is governed? Dream on, sleepers!
Let me spell it out for you: The United States is a "Goldman Sachsocracy" The man with the gold will sack us all over the world.
Freedom? You have more people incarcerated in your borders than any nation in history. Why? It's good for business.
I wish Americans had half the guts of 15-year-old Iranian girls! There'd have been 5 American Revolutions since 1870. Your textbook lies about the accountability of US government to the people have kept you complacent, and made you both arrogant yet ignorant and oppressed.
They just stole over a hundred billion dollars from your earnings and your next two generations, and GAVE it to a firm that prints your money, runs your fiscal policy and just paid out the BIGGEST bonuses in its 140 year history.
You live in the Matrix - and that's not a metaphor. Like George Carlin said; "They call it the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.
Wake up.
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
Jesus. What do they teach you these days?
Plato.
"The Republic" is the Roman derived title of his main surviving work.
It is a series of hypothetical dialogs, as if conducted by his master, Socrates, with his school and visitors to court, on the ideal rule for the City-State. It does NOT outline or advocate a republican form of governance. It's ideal is a Philosopher King - and models this through contrasting forms and their evolutions.
In modern terms, Plato is a prototype for Fascism - with the good of a state being the highest form of Government - above any kind of personal interest or property - provided the state is "just". The nature of this "justness" also provides much of the food for the book's discussions.
In it, he also issues the allegory of the cave. Interestingly, this is the model for The Matrix - which is where most of you are living your lives!
"Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
I can't see how a monarchy can be democratic. The monarch has ultimate power and so the people do not.
Your medieval world view is tremendously out of date. There are dozens of democratic constitutional monarchies in the world. Much of Europe, for example.
A monarchy can be superficially democratic in order to avoid the monarchs subjects from getting pissed-off and establishing an alternate government but it's never truly a democracy if, when you've voted for something, the monarch can just say "nah, don't like that" and refuse to instigate it.
King Baudouin of Belgium could refuse to sign a law that parliament passed. In order to pass the law anyway, Belgium became a republic for a day. However, most kings don't have that right.
Thanks for an answer to a question I didn't ask. Why is hemp not being grown in OTHER COUNTRIES on an industrial scale?
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson