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Boingo Awarded a Patent For Hotspot Access

Boingo has scored a patent for accessing a Wi-Fi hotspot by a mobile device. The patent, no. 7,483,984, was issued in January, but Boingo only started talking about it recently. The patent application was filed in December 2002. According to the company, the methods covered by the patent include: "...accessing wireless carrier networks by mobile computing devices, where a client software application hosted by the device accesses carrier networks using wireless access points. For example, when a computer — or netbook, smartphone or any other Wi-Fi-enabled device — is in a location where there are multiple signals, the patented technology looks at each signal and alerts the user which signal will work, showing the signal as an understandable name and ID for the user.The patent covers all wireless technologies and spectrums, as well as any mobile device that access wireless hotspots." The company is not saying anything about whether or how they will attempt to wield this patent.

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  1. WTF! by calmofthestorm · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought Halliburton patented this tactic back in 2008: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/10/1651236&from=rss

    Boingo is infringing another corporation's intellectual property!

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  2. 20080270152 by KronosReaver · · Score: 5, Funny

    http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=20080270152&OS=20080270152&RS=20080270152

    Patent Acquisition and Assertion by a (Non-Inventor) First Party Against a Second Party

    Abstract

    Methods for a first party to acquire and assert a patent property against a second party are disclosed. The methods include obtaining an equity interest in the patent property. The methods further include writing a claim within the scope of the patent property. The claim is written to cover a product of the second party where the product includes a secret aspect. The methods further include filing the claim with a patent office. The methods sometimes include offering a license of the patent property to the second party after the patent property issues as a patent with the claim. The methods sometimes include asserting infringement of the claim by the second party after the patent property issues as a patent with the claim. The methods sometimes include negotiating a cross-license with the second party based on the assertion of infringement of the claim, where under the cross-license the first party obtains a license to an intellectual property right from the second party. The methods sometime include attempting to obtain a monetary settlement from the second party based on the assertion of infringement of the claim.

  3. Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by russotto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This patent is beyond the Patent Office's usual idiocy and right up there with "method for playing with a cat with a laser". I mean really, displaying a list of accessible networks using perfectly standard techniques?

    1. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by rminsk · · Score: 5, Funny

      For complete context here is the Method of exercising a cat patent.

      A method for inducing cats to exercise consists of directing a beam of invisible light produced by a hand-held laser apparatus onto the floor or wall or other opaque surface in the vicinity of the cat, then moving the laser so as to cause the bright pattern of light to move in an irregular way fascinating to cats, and to any other animal with a chase instinct.

    2. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Informative

      My guess without looking up the prosecution history on Public PAIR (which anyone could do when the system is up) is that the key limitation here is that you have to get carrier network information from an access point database using the carrier network identifiers as a key.

      Unfortunately, some internal databases at the USPTO have been down all day today, and that includes the databases that supply data to Public PAIR.

    3. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Sorry. Someone already filed an application on "Method for replacing chimpanzees weilding 'APPROVED' stamps with human examiners".

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    4. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 3, Funny

      Damn, can't find the "+1 Holy Crap It's True" mod

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    5. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by loutr · · Score: 2, Informative

      The beam is invisible, you (and the cat I guess) can only see the "bright pattern of light". One of my friend does exactly that with his cat, it's funny as hell watching him jump around trying to catch it :) I'll tell him to buy a license right away so he can keep on exercizing his cat.

    6. Re:Can we bring back real patent examiners now? by psxndc · · Score: 2, Informative

      This patent is beyond the Patent Office's usual idiocy and right up there with "method for playing with a cat with a laser". I mean really, displaying a list of accessible networks using perfectly standard techniques?

      And yet you - like every other slashdotter - will base you opinion on /.'s summary and not the claims themselves.

       

      1. A method of displaying to a user a list of carrier networks available for access, comprising:

      (a) detecting carrier network signals by an access client transmitted from a plurality of carrier networks;

      (b) determining carrier network identifiers by the access client using the carrier network signals;

      (c) getting carrier network information from an access point database by the access client using the plurality of carrier network identifiers, wherein the carrier network information includes information indicating whether the access client is authorized to access a carrier network of the plurality of carrier networks; and

      (d) generating a user selectable list of carrier network identifiers by the access client using the carrier network information,

      (e) wherein two or more carrier network identifiers associated with a common carrier network system are aggregated to generate a carrier network system identifier that is included in the user selectable list.

       

      (letters added for your reference). Steps c - getting it from an access point database? - and e - where 2 carrier newtork identifiers are aggregated? - don't seem like the normal way of picking a wifi spot. Add in that these are carrier networks, not the hotspots themselves, and it seems a little less obvious and a lot more specific. You can all put down your torches and pitchforks now.

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  4. Dead on arrival... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    The independent claims contain the key limitation:

    wherein two or more carrier network identifiers associated with a common carrier network system are aggregated to generate a carrier network system identifier that is included in the user selectable list

    so if you see multiple Starbucks SSIDS, you just display one on the list to pick from.

    it would seem, therefore, that if you do not perform this step of aggregating the two or more network identifiers associated with a common network system, you've avoided this patent.

    HINT: show 'em all, even if it means showing multiple Starbucks.

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    1. Re:Dead on arrival... by whoever57 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      wherein two or more carrier network identifiers associated with a common carrier network system are aggregated to generate a carrier network system identifier that is included in the user selectable list

      Haven't GSM phones done this for ages when roaming? The phone may be in range of multiple towers from multiple providers, yet it only gives a list of providers (not the individual towers).

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    2. Re:Dead on arrival... by radtea · · Score: 3, Informative

      The independent claims contain the key limitation

      Yeah, but you have to understand that none of the /. editors knows anything about patents, which is why summaries on patent-related stories always cite completely irrelevant information that has nothing at all to do with what is actually patented. This despite nearly a decade of people who DO know something about patents pointing it out.

      It's kind of sad, really. Nerds are supposed to be all up on the facts, but as patent stories on /. make clear, the editors and most of the readership don't care about facts at all, which is why they insist on treating totally unrelated information, like the patent abstract, as if it had something to do with what is actually being patented. It doesn't, and anyone who knows anything about patents knows that.

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    3. Re:Dead on arrival... by florescent_beige · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No no no, this isn't an editor this is kdawson. kdawson is to $COMPETENTEDITOR as Ed Wood is to $COMPETENTDIRECTOR.

      One day he'll pass into internets mythology like Biff.

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    4. Re:Dead on arrival... by ratboy666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Unfortunately, the common carrier can be simply construed as the internet as proxied by ISPs. Identifiers can simply be IP addresses - when viewed as a tuple (ap, ip) the ips are unique. Note that it does not logically matter which ap or isp is chosen for a network connection. My laptop certainly maintains a list (database) of access points, and attendant information (passwords).

      I can pick one from the list, or one will be automatically chosen.

      The iPhone is even more interesting here; it even switches between cellular and wifi.

      As far as I can tell, this patent locks up everything currently in play for wifi - Linux NetworkManager conflicts, as does the iPhone, and, I believe Windows.

      iwconfig and ifconfig in Linux would NOT conflict, but, outside of some techies, no one uses that layer directly. Private networks are also not affected.

      The most interesting question is: who should pay? The invention doesn't come together until a number of elements are combined - the ap, a common network, a connection list. Remove any one of these elements, and (from my read) the invention ceases to exist. We won't be getting rid of the common network, so it will be "client side" payouts -- either on the aps, or the software that remembers aps. aps themselves don't infringe, so the only item left is the software that maintains and manages the connection list. NetworkManager.

      My response to that? They would be serious asshats to actually USE this patent.

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    5. Re:Dead on arrival... by russotto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but you have to understand that none of the /. editors knows anything about patents, which is why summaries on patent-related stories always cite completely irrelevant information that has nothing at all to do with what is actually patented. This despite nearly a decade of people who DO know something about patents pointing it out.

      What people who claim to know something about patents "point out" is contradicted by the actual prosecution of patent violations, where the claims are construed rather more broadly than patent fans would imply.

      In any case, that limitation is not significant. You could argue that aggregating multiple access points within the same ESSID covers it. But even if it doesn't, there's nothing patent-worthy about abstracting carrier information to present a higher-level summary to the user. Even if it hasn't been done in exactly this scenario (which is apparently what the patent office thinks is "novel"), similar things have been done often enough that it's certainly not patent-worthy... that is, it's obvious.

    6. Re:Dead on arrival... by whoever57 · · Score: 2, Informative

      What is claimed in the patent is doing ALL of the following in a single product:

      - Scanning for access points or looking them up from a storage medium
      - Looking up access rights for the access points from a database
      - Listing access points to the user, where access points belonging to the same provider are shown as a single item.

      Some claims ar more specific, but i think doing only 2 of the 3 things above should not count as infringement or prior art.

      I don't know about the database either, but adding the database doesn't seem very inventive. Prior art doesn't have to be identical and there was a case that concluded that putting together two existing technologies to create a new product or device was not, per se, sufficiently inventive.

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    7. Re:Dead on arrival... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 2, Funny

      The most interesting question is: who should pay?

      The chain of command at Boingo who approved this, by being dragged out, beaten senseless, and having "I RUIN AMERICA" tattooed on their faces.

      Fives years ago, I would have meant that as a joke.

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    8. Re:Dead on arrival... by saxmanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I couldn't agree more. *flame on* Most of the slashdotters just wave their hands and say "oh this is SOOOO obvious..blah blah blah" but hardly any try to actually find something that teaches the "obvious" invention (that published before the filing date). It's always "oh everyone knows that". Well, if everyone knows it then it shouldn't take but a few seconds on google, should it?

      I'm all for the patent statutes being amended and the system being overhauled, but geez, don't bash the examining corp for following the current law. If you think a patent is invalid and is threatening your business or innovation FILE A REEXAM OF THE PATENT. It's cheaper than litigation and if you think the patent is "bad" then supply the art and invalidate the thing. Geez. *flame off*.

  5. Impossible by EdIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The patent seems to be related to the mobile device specifically accessing a "hot-spot". Just how the heck are they supposed to license this and make money?

    Any mobile device can connect up to wireless that does not necessarily qualify as a hotspot. So how can you force a mobile phone manufacturer, a netbook manufacturer, a laptop manufacturer, etc. to pay royalties when there is no guarantee that the device will ever be used to access a hotspot? I understand they have a patent, but I don't find that reasonable.

    To me it would be the same as getting a patent on the act of juicing oranges and then asking royalties from every single juice machine manufacturer with the claim, "well it could be used to juice oranges".

    They could go after the people hosting wireless hotspots that the devices would be accessing or the access point manufacturers, but the claim is on the client device......

    1. Re:Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm guessing they are not interested in licensing.

      There are legal theories that a patentee may use to cover the situations you discuss: contributory infringement and induced infringement. Wikipedia has a brief mention. .

    2. Re:Impossible by Ifni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      To me it would be the same as getting a patent on the act of juicing oranges and then asking royalties from every single juice machine manufacturer with the claim, "well it could be used to juice oranges".

      Or going after the recordable media manufacturers and demanding royalties because "it could be used to record copyrighted media." I have complete faith that such things would never come to pass.

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  6. Re:Wiki says FAIL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wow, you went to all that effort, but you couldn't even skim the summary? Boingo didn't patent the hotspot, they patented a method to have a single signon for multiple wifi (or other spectra) carriers.

    Not that this is a sustainable patent (it seems pretty obvious to anyone skilled in the art).

  7. The key element of the claims by Grond · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is one key element of the claims that no OS or device that I'm familiar with implements. Specifically, the list of wireless networks presented to the user must include "getting carrier network information from an access point database by the access client using the plurality of carrier network identifiers, wherein the carrier network information includes information indicating whether the access client is authorized to access a carrier network..." In short, the list of networks must include whether or not the client is authorized to access each network.

    To my knowledge, no OS or device does this inherently. They may show that the network is encrypted or that it requires a username and password, but those say nothing about whether the client is authorized (i.e., allowed or permitted) to access the network. Even software that shows that a user is currently connected to a network that requires authentication only implies authorization and then only to that network, not any others.

    So, as I read the patent, most existing software does not seem to infringe. One possible infringer might be the Easy Wi-Fi app for the iPhone, but it has been made obsolete by iPhone OS 3, which auto-authenticates with AT&T hotspots.

  8. Tear it down by Cruciform · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The US Patent Office should be eliminated. It doesn't serve its intended purpose, and the way patents are reviewed indicates that the people examining them either don't often have a clue on what is obvious or non-obvious, or that there is massive corruption and the finances of the examiners need forensic investigation.

    I think there are way to many lawsuits out there, usually motivated by greed, but is it possible for people to launch a class action lawsuit to simply stop an entity from operating?

    It seems like the concept of free market economy and all-encompassing corporate patents are at opposite ends of the spectrum.

  9. This is not innovation by Skapare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even if no one had thought of this before (which is not really true), this is the kind of thing that once a need presents itself, hundreds or thousands of people would think up how to do this. This is nowhere near the kind of thing that justifies the patent system concepts (of taking the rights away from possible other inventors because it is a concept that was not likely to have other inventors). The patent system is supposed to reward the inventor for creating something that we would otherwise have not had. But this is a case of something we most certainly would have almost as soon as the need is first experienced. The only advantage of a prior-to-the-need invention in this case is a few weeks lead time on the initial development, at most.

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  10. Re:Boingo. by $pace6host · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was traveling a bit recently, and a lot of the WiFi hotspots in airports, restaurants and hotels were free (or included with whatever purchase you were already making). Most of the ones that weren't could be accessed with Boingo, so I looked into it a little. It seems that their "innovation" is that they are a network of networks. The actual WiFi service provider that you use might be AT&T or Wayport, but a Boingo subscription gets you access to all of them. I think the patent is intended to cover their method of identifying Boingo-member networks and listing those. They have special software you can download for that, though you don't need it. You can simply use the advertised SSIDs of the WiFi hotspots themselves. Their "innovation" is looking up the SSIDs in the network database for you, to automatically identify which networks are part of Boingo, consolidating the list, and then letting you have preferences as to which networks show up on the top of the list. I prefer open standards myself. I also prefer to places that offer their WiFi for free - so I decided not to subscribe and they can keep their patented technology.

  11. I can see the civil suit now by somenickname · · Score: 4, Funny

    Boingo Inc. vs. 35:42:11:AA:EA:03, 432 US. 666.

    Lawyer: You connected to a wireless network in Starbucks?
    Defendant: Yes, that's correct.
    Lawyer: No further questions.

  12. Did anyone actually read the patent? by Logos · · Score: 4, Informative

    Yes I know, this is /. and no one read the article, let alone the actual patent - however the article (and the /. excerpt) are very misleading about what was patented. Reading the actual patent, it appears that the patent was granted on a method for the user to create an account with the patent-holder and then use the patent-holders software to access any number of various for-pay and other wifi hotspots without having to manage the individual credentialing, network configuration and associated billing. I am not a lawyer, or a patent attorney -- and I'm not a big fan of software patents in general -- but this doesn't sound anything like: "patenting wifi hotspot access". More like: "patenting an integrated, account-managed, token passing, billing system for accessing multiple diverse wifi-hotspot vendor systems". I.e. Much narrower and a based on a product built on basic wifi access. In short: Boingo was granted a patent on their software that makes it easier to manage all those wifi accounts you have to set up if you travel a lot and use a bunch of different carriers. Not wifi access in general. The editors should consider amending the front page summary because its very misleading.

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