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Canadian Politicians Reverse Course On DMCA

An anonymous reader writes "Michael Geist reports that the two Canadian Ministers responsible for copyright seem to have reversed course on copyright and now appear to oppose a Canadian DMCA. At a government event this week, Industry Minister Tony Clement spoke of how things have changed and of the need for consultation, while Canadian Heritage Minister James Moore emphasized the great potential of the Internet and how older politicians often don't get it."

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  1. Conservatives doing the right thing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Conservative Party of Canada isn't kowtowing to american business interests?

    What?
    I think my brain just had a core dump.

    1. Re:Conservatives doing the right thing? by rakslice · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Political fortunes are low, and so the risky somewhat-anti-populist business has to be shelved. But the media companies still have money, and so after the next election, when once again the contributors' favours are to be repaid, they'll be pulled back off the shelf no matter who wins. Just you wait.

    2. Re:Conservatives doing the right thing? by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The Prime Minister is apologizing for some hack in Alberta who recently made these comments.

      Premier says apology punishment enough after Alberta MLA's comments

      "In his blog, Elniski offered advice to junior high school girls. He suggested that a girl wear a smile when entering a room, and that men don't want to hear about that "treated equal" stuff."

      http://www.cbc.ca/canada/edmonton/story/2009/06/23/edmonton-elniski-stelmach.html?ref=rss

      In response my flamebait is a result of people up on politics who are OUTRAGED over the conservative government. THEY NEED TO GO.

    3. Re:Conservatives doing the right thing? by thirty-seven · · Score: 5, Informative

      But the media companies still have money, and so after the next election, when once again the contributors' favours are to be repaid, they'll be pulled back off the shelf no matter who wins. Just you wait.

      Do you know about the restrictions on campaign contributions in Canada at the federal level?

      Any individual who is a Canadian citizen or permanent resident of Canada may make these contributions:

      • up to $1,000 in total in any calendar year to a particular registered party
      • up to $1,000 in total in any calendar year to the registered associations, nomination contestants and candidates of a particular registered party
      • up to $1,000 in total to a candidate for a particular election who does not represent a registered political party
      • up to $1,000 in total to the contestants in a particular leadership contest
      • [405(1)]

      The Act provides for maximum contribution limits of $1,000, subject to an inflation adjustment on April 1 of each year. On January 1, 2007, the contribution limits were adjusted by the April 1, 2006, inflation factor and therefore established at $1,100.

      So if you want to "buy off" a party or candidate, you can give only $1,100 to the political party and $1,100, in total, distributed among the candidates to whom you want to donate for that party. A "leadership contest" is held, at most, every few years within a party to choose a party leader.

      The following are ineligible contributions, either monetary or non-monetary:

      • contributions from individuals who are not Canadian citizens or permanent residents as defined in subsection 2(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act
      • contributions from corporations
      • contributions from trade unions
      • contributions from unincorporated associations
      • contributions in excess of the contribution limits set out in the Act

      I added the emphasis in this quotation. So I'm not sure what "favours" the media companies, with all their money, can use to get repaid. I'm sure that bribery can and does happen on occasion, but the amount that the parties spend in elections is also monitored and reported, so I'm not sure how such "favours" could swing an election enough to need to be repaid. Federal politics in Canada aren't like in the US, where some forms of bribery are legal and common.

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    4. Re:Conservatives doing the right thing? by twidarkling · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keep in mind, "left-leaning" is also a relative term. From what I can tell, our Conservatives are about as left as Obama, and maybe a bit further. Now that the Reform party's gone, there furthest-right party is arguably as left as the "Leftist" President.

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    5. Re:Conservatives doing the right thing? by Piata · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Mod this guy up. This is one of the best things about Canada's political system. It may not stop bribes, but it does make it a lot harder for big business to get away with it.

  2. Of course older politicans don't get it. by bertoelcon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Its a world that has changed more growing ever recently, its not hard to blame them for not catching up on everything. Technology is multiplying its growth rapidly.

    However It would be a good idea to keep up on the events that can influence their own reelections and how they are perceived by the public.

    As I understand it (I am American and in Texas, far from Canada) Canada has some really bad setup of restrictions on media already since most of it is imported from the US, as well as some tax on blank media since it COULD be used for illegal copies and such, and I would assume there is more BS like that.

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    1. Re:Of course older politicans don't get it. by skreeech · · Score: 5, Funny

      Our TV/Radio has some rules about a certain amount of Canadian content. Example, we see and hear Canadian bands in disproportionate amounts - which would be ok if not for nickleback being Canadian.

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    2. Re:Of course older politicans don't get it. by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hey, it could be worse, Celine Dion could still be in fashion. Or Shatner could decide to make another CD.

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  3. They didn't necessarily reverse course. by Ragingguppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We have to look at this in the context of whats going on in the Canadian parliament. They are a minority government and they don't want to necessarily do anything stupid that would alienate half the population. So they have decided to not go forward with that legislation. They may decide to go ahead anyways. Right now they are consulting not with the public but with so called most successful CEO's in industry. Which means that they are just going tow the party line and not do anything all that innovative. So put your faith in the snakes that are the Canadian politicians. They are bigger liars then George W Bush.

    1. Re:They didn't necessarily reverse course. by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It may have something to do with all of the people that wrote to their MP's. There are also other good signs, such as a huge display of condemnation regarding a bill giving police the power to get ISP subscriber information without a warrant (this was on the CBC site, check the comments). People seem surprisingle informed and politicians may be taking note. Of course, I could be blindly optimistic.

  4. Bounced Checks by UndyingShadow · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sounds like some checks bounced.

  5. Re:^_^ by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One sorry TWO delegates is hardly "traction"

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  6. Translation by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Translation: We didn't expect this strong an outpouring of opposition and we know we already only have a minority government so we're just going to lay low a bit and not piss people off. Sound good?

    And, yes - it does sound good. Stop messing things up! Stop selling our country out! More importantly, stop selling our country out to foreign media corporations!

  7. Could this mean ACTA negotiations are failing? by erroneus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We all generally know what ACTA is and who is largely behind it. It seems increasingly, we see more stories of government bodies moving away from enhanced copyright assault techniques targeting individual users, abusers and consumers. ACTA is still "secret" so we may never hear about what is going on in the negotiations, but could these laws and failures to enact laws be a sign of what may not happen? This could be significant, after all [sarcasm] ACTA is a matter of national security [/sarcasm].

  8. Re:^_^ by Reed+Solomon · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is when they're helping you push your car out of a snow rut.

  9. Re:^_^ by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Informative

    One sorry TWO delegates is hardly "traction"

    They're the two *cabinet ministers* who have been behind this farce. I can't imagine what would change their minds. My solitary vow never to vote for the Conservatives specifically because of draconian copyright changes surely wasn't enough. Perhaps other voters hold the same position while the Conservatives are sagging in the polls and the Liberals could topple the minority Conservative government at any time.

  10. Re:Welcome to slavery by julesh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    DMCA can be used to quickly shut down this leech sites

    The alternative, in countries that don't have a statutary notification scheme, is a court order. These are relatively easy to get, the only disadvantage being they cost money upfront that you may not be able to get back if you can't trace the identity of the leech. While this is a disadvantage, I am of the opinion that "no punishment without judicial oversight" is a good maxim for how stuff like this should work. DMCA notification is too easy to abuse.

  11. Re:Welcome to slavery by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    DCMA is a four-letter word, and that does seem to effect a lot of people's thinking. There are definitely some very good provisions in the package. Others, not so good.

    I think everyone agrees that the takedown system is a winner, for everyone involved. ISP's have been a bit easy to scare into believing the takedowns and not bothering to check if they're for real, but it seems that they're calming down now. I would be perfectly happy to see a similar provision in Canadian law.

    On the other hand, there's the reverse-engineering issue. This is clearly a very bad idea, and from what I can see, unenforceable. Had this section been left out, I think everyone would consider DCMA as generally positive, but instead it generates massive hate. Sad really.

    Maury

  12. Re:^_^ by SilverEyes · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's June. It hasn't been snowing in Calgary for three weeks.

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  13. Re:^_^ by Quantos · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wait another week, I'm taking my parka out of storage soon...

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  14. Re:^_^ by Dexx · · Score: 2, Informative

    Maybe it was the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications meeting that Geist was speaking with?
    Transcript Link

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  15. Majority vs Minority rule by Fractal+Dice · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A pleasant side effect of Canada fractured, regionalized politics and it's inability to elect a majority government any more is that as soon as someone tries to cash in a political favor, it's ammunition the opposition parties (plural!) can use to threaten an election and alter the balance of power. There's an actual incentive to call out the ruling party on unpopular special-interest gimmies! And since parties receive a few pennies a year of funding for every vote they get, every voter matters.

    Canada consistently gets better, more innovative, progressive and balanced policies during minority governments despite how much they all whine that they can't get anything done without a majority.