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Panasonic Begins To Lock Out 3d-Party Camera Batteries

OhMyBattery writes "The latest firmware updated for Panasonic digital cameras contains one single improvement: it locks out the ability to use 'non-genuine Panasonic' batteries. It does so for safety reasons, it says. It seems to indicate that this is going to be the norm for all new Panasonic digital cameras. From the release: 'Panasonic Digital Still Cameras now include a technology that can identify a genuine Panasonic battery. For the protection of our customers Panasonic developed this technology after it was discovered that some aftermarket 3rd party batteries do not meet the rigid safety standards Panasonic uses.' The firmware warning is quite clear as to what it does: 'After this firmware update your Panasonic Digital Camera cannot be operated by 3rd party batteries (non genuine Panasonic batteries).'"

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  1. Nice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Everyone wants to make a buck stifling competition and innovation these days.

  2. Too bad for them by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There goes Panasonic off my list for an upcoming camera buy.

  3. I am in the market for a new camera. by macbeth66 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I guess it will not be a Panasonic. If it had issued a warning after putting hte battery in, then it would be OK. This just sounds like the same crap Lexmark pulled. I still actively recommend against their printers.

    1. Re:I am in the market for a new camera. by snowraver1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As I see it, the camera is using the (unofficial) battery to post and load the firmware, only to realize that the battery is illigal, and then either eisplays message or halts. I just find it funny that it has to use the very device that it intends to block to power the check.

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  4. Lock is anticompetitive, not consumer prot'n by debrain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If Panasonic was concerned about 3rd party suppliers selling unsafe batteries, it could sell licenses with strict requirements or set up a certification program to test the safety of the batteries sold by these suppliers.

    Locking out competition to create an artificial tie-in between the camera and the battery is anti-competitive, in my opinion. There are ways to ensure the safety of customers without a tie-in that undermines market-based competition.

    Mind you, I only read the blurb- I don't know the details of what Panasonic is proposing. But the summary seems telling.

  5. Standards? by Joseph+Vigneau · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "some aftermarket 3rd party batteries do not meet the rigid safety standards Panasonic uses."

    It would be interesting to see what standards they refer to. Is that a trade secret?

  6. Grrrr. by apodyopsis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A better solution would of been "This firmware update identifies the use of 3rd party batteries and alerts the user to the risk of using them. It monitors the voltage output and shuts down the camera if it determines that the battery is insufficient or possibly dangerous. And invalidates the warranty too". This would of left open the choice to the user - after all there are a great many very good 3rd party batteries and they have saved my bacon in the past.

    By monitoring the voltage I mean the camera can detect an abnormally fast voltage drop against its usage that might mean a defective or damaged battery - naturally it cannot detect if the battery is about to get white hot and set fire to the camera, but hey the user was warned and the warranty invalidated. I would expect the manufacturer to check the damaged camera EEPROM and say "aha! according to our data log you used not panasonic batteries, thats no repair for you!".

    By removing the element of choice they raise the natural suspicion that this decision was taken on commercial grounds, not safety and risk a consumer backlash and dissatisfaction.

  7. Re:Well... by wowbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "As long as subsequent firmware updates can be applied without applying this one, I'm fine with it."

    Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Any future updates will also have this (mis-)feature.

  8. I'll make that decision by cockpitcomp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll make the decision on whether I trust the battery manufacturer when I buy my battery thank very much. Can't even trust Sony now can we?

  9. If I can't use common batteries, forget it by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I can't use AA or AAA batteries (or some reasonable equivalent) I'm not interested. Even my pro D-SLR has an adapter to use double As.

    Just say no to crap like this. Who needs Panasonic? There are lots of choices out there.

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  10. Apple makes it difficult to replace batteries. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It works for Apple.

  11. Re:No inherent problem by wwfarch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All very true for CURRENT Panasonic cameras. The problem is that they are likely to include this firmware in future cameras with no ability to rollback to firmware without it.

  12. Re:No inherent problem by langelgjm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No, like how a Panasonic DVD burner would stifle your ability to burn non-Panasonic discs, if one did that.

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  13. Generic batteries are a must for any of my devices by ehud42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have bought a number of music players, cameras and other electronic gadgets and my number 1 requirement is it must use standard off the shelf batteries (namely AA or AAA). This is for a number of reasons:

    1) Avoid planned obsolescence - hardwired batteries (I'm looking at you Apple) mean the product will be useless by not holding a charge long before I'm done using it.
    2) Emergency power - having proprietary batteries either hardwired or not means that if I run out of a charge while on a road trip or away from my charger, then I'm hooped - I have to wait up to hours for the battery to charge.

    And now:

    3) Stupid vendor lock in - I have better things to spend my money on than overpriced name brand accessories / supplies.

    I look forward to the day when cellphones can efficiently run on 2 or 3 AAA's.

    I just bought a lower end digital camera and steered away from Panasonic as soon as I realized they did not use AA or AAA batteries. Went with a Fuji S1000 - have been happy with it so far - uses the same NiMH AA batteries I have for my Olympus camera, iRiver MP3 player, and LogicTech cordless mouse.

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  14. Re:Talk about knee-jerk responses by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It happens quite often, actually. Anyone who's been flying R/C aircraft for any length of time has either seen it or knows someone that it happened to. A friend of mine damn near burned down his house once.

    That is because a) R/C aircraft batteries are frequently overcharged in home-built chargers by impatient R/C enthusiasts who just can't wait to fly their toy again, b) they are, unlike cell-phone, laptop and other consumer device bound batteries, sold "as is" with no fitness to a particular device or charger being certified because R/C models are by definition custom concoctions.

    None of this applies to consumer devices such as digital cameras which come with a specific set of requirements and an associated charger. That is why UL (and in Canada CSA) can test and certify the batteries for consumer devices as safe.

    stop the evil-corporation conspiracy theory bullshit and do a little research.

    There is no conspiracy involved here. Corporations do what corporations are meant to do: generate profit by any means they can get away with.

    The Battery University is a good place to start.

    The "university" is a shill site run by a partisan party, i.e. the Cadex company, which is heavily involved in supplying super-expensive battery chargers. Cadex simply wants to sell you their crap.

    If you are trying to make a point using a website, it would do you good to pick one run by an impartial, uninvolved party without an axe to grind.

    This is a real safety issue in which real people are being hurt.

    Which, if true, would be the domain of UL or CSA or similar standard bodies which are in charge of consumer safety in electrical and electronic devices. Not some vendor vigilantes with dubious motives.