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US House May Pass "Cap & Trade" Bill

jamie found this roundup on the status of the Waxman-Markey climate change bill, which is about to be voted on by the US House of Representatives. (The article notes that if the majority Democrats can't see the 218 votes needed for passage, they will probably put off the vote.) The AP has put together a FAQ that says, "[The bill, if passed,] fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity. This bill will put smaller, more efficient cars on the road, swap smokestacks for windmills and solar panels, and transform the appliances you can buy for your home." The odds-makers are giving the bill a marginal chance of passing in the House, with tougher going expected in the Senate.

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  1. SCAM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Human Induced Global Warming is a scam, this legislation is simply a "Tax and Raid" scheme to create an automatic transfer of american prosperity into a black hole of benefactors and will ensure the continued decline of the US economy, its simple mathematics.

    There is more evidence for God than for human induced Global Warming given evidence to the contrary recorded in earths geologic historical record. If you as a scientist, engineer or simply a rational individual who uses reason, logic and empirical evidence as your benchmark of truth ignore this reasoning, you are a fucking tool.

     

  2. The biggest tax in US history by mi · · Score: 0, Troll

    According to Wall Street Journal, at least, the "Cap & Trade" law will constitute the biggest tax in US history...

    The sad part is, even after the human-caused "global warming" proves to be either grossly overstated or completely bogus, the tax will stay on for decades — just like all other taxes have...

    Global warming advocates don't bother with proofs, burdening the skeptics (branded "deniers") with that instead. They only adjust their PR-campaigning, such as switching to the term "climate change", when the actual weather changes from hotter to colder such as over the past two years. Indeed, as Che Guevarra repeats from millions of their T-shirts:

    To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary. These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail.

    ("Flamebait" my capitalist behind.)

    But, hey, if the true goal is destruction of Capitalism, one should not bother with too much honesty — it only slows down the fall of the hated civilization.

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  3. I'm sorry - troll alert by m0s3m8n · · Score: -1, Troll

    I apologize right now for this troll comment. Hey Democrats - suck my turbocharged tail pipe.

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  4. Re:Cap & Trade = Energy Rationing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    Yeah of course. It is well known that in Western Europe, where pollution per capita is four times less than in the US, the economy is dead and people starve and freeze. Oh by the way, they just use energy way more efficiently than in the US. But i am probably overestimating my fellow Americans who cannot even do what British, French or Germans do routinely.

  5. Re:Good intentions by Freetardo+Jones · · Score: -1, Troll

    Ah yes, wanting their to be clean air and water for people to live in a generation from now is clearly the same as wanting to commit genocide. Could your right-wing loonies be anymore retarded?

  6. Re:Cap & Trade = Energy Rationing by dwiget001 · · Score: 0, Troll

    "A: It fundamentally will change how we use, produce and consume energy, ending the country's love affair with big gas-guzzling cars and its insatiable appetite for cheap electricity. This bill will put smaller, more efficient cars on the road, swap smokestacks for windmills and solar panels, and transform the appliances you can buy for your home."

    This is the Obama party line, plain and simple.

    It has no remote relationship to the truth or reality in the present or future.

    In other words, it's a lie.

  7. Re:Cap & Trade = Energy Rationing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    BS. People do not commute between NY and LA everyday. The commute distance is not greater in the US than it is in Western Europe. Oh and you know, in Spain it is unbearably hot during the summer and in Finland it is unbearably cold during the summer, the US do not have a more extreme climate. There are different climates, just as in Europe.

    No, the problem is really that Americans are not able to do what others do routinely. Look at those gas hungry cars when Europeans and Japanese car makers are perfectly able to produce small and efficient cars. Houses are not well isolated at all also. Building are overheated during the winter and overcooled during the summer. And so on, and so on. I have been living in the US for quite some time now and i am still impressed by the amount of waste. Waste that has nothing to do with geography. Waste that could perfectly be easily avoided. I lament about the lack of knowledge of Americans in economics or energetics (and i am even more appalled by the latter as i own a MS in energetics) and this damaging âoeno can doâ attitude. Tell me guys, how will be the economy once the Earth looks like Venus? Greedy, short sighted, intellectually limited people are arrogantly killing the planet.

  8. Re:"insatiable appetite for cheap electricity." by paazin · · Score: 0, Troll

    And nothing beats a recession quite like artificially jacking up the cost of energy for everybody.

    And nothing beats an economic boom like rising oceans flooding over cities and farmland. ;)

  9. Re:Gas by copponex · · Score: 0, Troll

    If you assume that people drive cross country every day for work instead of living in communities that are zoned according to energy costs and value mass transit investment instead of spending the money on roads at a ratio of 40 to 1, as we do in the states.

    But you're not that stupid, are you?

  10. Re:Cap & Trade = Energy Rationing by daem0n1x · · Score: -1, Troll

    Fascists? It's you that elected Bush, not us.

    Please tell me a communist country in Europe.

  11. Re:Gas by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0, Troll

    Now try that in, say, Arizona during the month of July.

    Of course lots of people live in hell, which is essentially what you're describing.

    Don't go ragging on everyone else because God stuck you there. You must have deserved it....

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  12. Re:Cap & Trade = Energy Rationing by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    "Alleged global warming" : fail!

    Equating climate models to weather models: fail!

    CO2 can't be harmful because it's "natural": fail!

    Claiming expertise for "having studied chemistry": fail!

    Getting modded +5, Insightful: epic fail!

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