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Text Comments Out In YouTube "National Discussion" of Health Care

theodp writes "While the White House has invited the nation to Join the National Online Discussion on Health Care Reform, it is currently only accepting 20-30 second YouTube video responses — text comments have been disabled. Which raises a question: Should a video camera be the price of admission for participating in an open government discussion, especially when issues may hit those with lower incomes the hardest? BTW, the response-to-date has been underwhelming — 101 video responses and counting — and is certainly a mixed-bag, including a one-finger salute, a talking butt, a woman "Showing my Apples", and other off-topic rants and unrelated videos."

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  1. Sounds bytes by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It sounds to me like the administration is looking for raw material they can put into commercials to run in districts that oppose Obama's plans.

    I.e,. this might be a huge casting call in disguise.

    I'm fairly skeptical these days when Obama says he wants to involve the general population in a discussion. His modus operandi became evident when he ignored the highly voted Internet town hall topic of legalizing marijuana. It appears that at least sometimes, he's only pretending to take the general citizenry's views into account, even when he's saying otherwise.

    1. Re:Sounds bytes by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm fairly skeptical these days when Obama says he wants to involve the general population in a discussion.

      Skeptical is good.

      His modus operandi became evident when he ignored the highly voted Internet town hall topic of legalizing marijuana. It appears that at least sometimes, he's only pretending to take the general citizenry's views into account, even when he's saying otherwise.

      I have little doubt there was significant internal discussion about the issue. It probably resulted in the consensus that the topic is political poison and they should avoid any public commentary. They still are concerned about the next election and need a longer period for policies to take effect and show a difference if they want many of their initiatives to last for the long term. I've been underwhelmed by the public participation programs put into place. It is hard to distinguish between the administration not hearing and the administration willfully pretending they did not hear anything, but at least on the marijuana issue it is pretty likely to be the latter.

    2. Re:Sounds bytes by demachina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "That's the reason why you can't acknowledge that Obama is a much better president than Bush"

      I'm pretty sure Obama is much more intelligent and is a vastly better speaker than Bush but that could just mean he will be more adept at manipulating the American people than Bush was. Bush/Cheney used blunt force to control the American people. Obama's team seems to me much better at deceit and making everyone one happy about being sold down the river. Take for example, all of these gimmicks to pretend like they are listening to the American people through the web. Listening through YouTube and Facebook is mostly designed in to suckering large numbers of Obama supporters, especially young people, in to thinking they are being heard when they really aren't. Congress and the White House still listen to lobbyists and corporations first, ordinary Joe's not at all, its going to take a seismic shift in our system for that to change, and its very unlikely to happen. Power just doesn't shift that radically without a major upheaval to force it, like a revolution.

      You simply can't listen to a couple hundred million people randomly spouting off in YouTube, Facebook or on a web site. The Obama people are mostly just conning their supporters in to thinking if they say something on a website someone will actually listen. Chances are very slim of that happening, like winning the lottery slim.

      I voted for Obama and I hated Bush/Cheney with a passion, but I am rapidly starting to agree with Bill Maher that in a lot of ways Obama really is Bush Lite. His popularity among Americans is about the same as Bush's at same point in their presidencies. Only thing Obama has is the rest of the world likes him while most of the world hated Bush from the get go.

      Obama has continued SO many Bush policies unaltered he has mostly proved what everyone says, there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Republicans and Democrats any more. To name a few issues where there is no "Change":

      - Warrantless spying on American citizens
      - Bush tax cuts for the rich continue
      - Tax cuts for middle class, are tiny, are going to get killed in a year or two and are a joke
      - Gitmo is still open and it appears it really hasn't changed much from where Bush/Cheney left it
      - Squandering money he doesn't have like a drunken sailor, just squandering it in slightly different directions
      - Iraq war strategy is essentially the way Bush left it
      - Afghan/Pakistan war strategy, escalation, and I wager its how Gates planned it under Bush
      - Insane claims to justify secrecy just like the Bush administartion
      - Multipage signing statements outlining all the parts of new laws from Congress he will ignore.... just like Bush.
      - Response to the economic crisis no different than Bush/Paulson other than the retarded $700 billion stimulus which squandered money to no good end, its was mostly Democratic pork. Bush/Paulson would have just handed out more money to Wall Street so it would have been Republican pork.
      - He maybe banned torture but I imagine the Bush administration had already been shamed in to stopping that, and Obama let all the people who enabled it at get away with violating U.S. and international law. Its criminal all the enlisted soldiers at Abu Graib did hard time for doing something that was White House mandated policy and happening at U.S. prisons around the globe.
      - Defense spending is at the same staggering levels where Bush left it

      Only areas its clear Obama is diverging from Bush so far:

      - Cap and trade bill which, if it even makes it through the Senate, wont solve anything other than kill more U.S. manufacturing jobs. For cap and trade to work it has to be global or polluters who can move, will move. They could have made a better bill by slapping tariffs on China and India until they join a global cap and trade system. China and India are going to add more pollution than the U.S. will ever cut under that bill.

      - This health care bill. First strike against Obama he said "No Manda

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  2. thank god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you ever looked at the comment section of a YouTube video? I wouldn't want a low-level staffer to spend half a second wading through that pile of drooling morons. Posting a video at least requires minimal effort.

  3. Article title is flat-out wrong by Curien · · Score: 5, Informative

    From TFA:

    Don't know how to respond to the President's video with your question? Check out this tutorial from YouTube about how to create your own and add it as a response.

    If you are a Twitter user, you can also ask your question with this hashtag: #WHHCQ or head to Facebook and ask your question there.

    If I were the staff member in charge of wading through the discussion, I wouldn't want to have to use Youtube's craptastic comment system either.

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  4. You do not need a camera to post vids on youtube by Lorcas · · Score: 5, Informative

    You can open up your favorite video editing software and just put some slides of text. No camera involved.

  5. "national discussion"? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I often hear (on NPR, usually) politicians calling for a "national discussion" or a "national debate" on some topic.

    Exactly what is a "national discussion/debate"?

    It seems to me like things usually work out this way: news organizations cover some topic, congress and the President start discussing it, lobbyists come onto the scene, and in the end the Congress either (a) sells us out to lobbyists, or (b) makes a completely irrational piece of legislation.

    So is calling for a "national discussion/debate" really just an attempt to dress, as democratic, a decision which the common citizen has no capacity to influence? That is, like what happens with so-called "town-hall meetings"?

  6. Then write a letter by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If your opinion is so valuable then write a letter and mail it to the President or your elected representative.

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    1. Re:Then write a letter by QuantumG · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dude, I'm sure he gets letters from everyone. So if you really wanna make an impression, you need to give him a present. I think a chocolate gun would be a good present and you should run up to him really fast to give it to him.. because he's so busy.

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  7. They DO take text comments ... by Skapare · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... only from Facebook users via their Facebook site. The link is on the referenced page.

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  8. Moderator? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "While the White House has invited the nation to Join the National Online Discussion on Health Care Reform, it is currently only accepting 20-30 second YouTube video responses â" text comments have been disabled.

    Am I the only person who's concerned that the Whitehouse has been allowed to be the moderator of such discussions?

    After all, the administration has a political agenda, and therefore an incentive to bias the discussions on any particular topic of debate. Deciding details such as the length and form of submissions can be a powerful device for controlling the topic and direction of debate. At that point, it's a rather useless vehicle for arguing a side that the administration doesn't want advanced.

  9. Re:You do not need a camera to post vids on youtub by rtfa-troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are the person who invented sending four line comments in powerpoints aren't you. Now we have your ID we are going to hunt you to the ends of the internet. You can't run and you can't hide. Our advance team is in Montréal already. They will be arriving at your home soon. Stay there so that at least you die surrounded by the things you know.

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  10. Re:Opinion by superwiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Obama administration is far, far better than any Bush administration.

    I agree. They are much, much better liars. Listening to Bush lie was boring. It was obvious. It insulted my intelligence. While Obama's lies are grandiose. They are eloquent. They take at least 10-15 seconds to parse through before the waaaait-a-minute moment. It's a pleasure. We are very fortunate to have a much more skillful entertainer in the White House.

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  11. Re:Opinion by superwiz · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Toytas are made in America. Bailing out GM means sponsoring Toyota's competition. If GM went bankrupt, more jobs would have to be created by Toyota to make more cars that would be bought instead of the GM's that are being bought now. So he is sponsoring American jobs at a bad car companies while preventing a good American car company from hiring. This is done under the guise of "saving jobs". Why is he even bothering with the hypocrisy? Because GM is unionized and Toyota is not.
    2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7FS5B-CynM exposes his hypocrisy on education quite well.
    3. Oh, and the biggest hypocrisy of all is the attempt to blame the banking industry for the bubble created by Fannie Mae regulation. Yes, yes, I know... greed. It's new. They are trying greed for the first time. Before that there was none of it happening. The fact that Fannie Mae regulation REQUIRED banks to loan to less eligible borrows thus increasing the banks' exposure to risk is somehow swept under the rug. The fact that FED completely failed in its mission to keep monetary supply consistent with the level of economic activity is somehow conveniently overlooked when discussing what created the bubble. It was greed, greed, greed.... repeat after me... louder now!
    4. The fact that he has NO (none whatsoever) education in economics somehow qualifies him to make predictions as to how his economic plan will pan out? Please, please, please, tell me that "he has good advisers"... because that was the line that everyone told each other to console themselves about the fact the the president was George Bush.

    bleh... I'll stop... I am sure you'll want to jump in and divert attention from what I said to some way of saying that "but look at what the crazy evil stupid Republicans are doing." After all, it's Sunday night. And Timothy posted this one with what I can only suspect was a bucket of pop corn ready at his side.

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  12. Re:Opinion by anothy · · Score: 4, Informative

    you make a good point about Toyota jobs in the US. your conclusion as to the reason (unionization) is totally unsupported, but at least the question is interesting, and is something not talked enough about.

    on the financial situation, though, you're way, way off. the "Fannie Mae regulation" you're thinking of wasn't a Fannie Mae regulation - otherwise it wouldn't have applied to other banks. you're presumably thinking of the CRA, which did apply to other banks, but wasn't designed either to put banks at the crazy risk they put themselves in (it contained explicit language against such behavior) or to support securitization of the loans (enabled by a later amendment). the numbers on CRA default rates, compared to the "general population" also doesn't support putting much blame there.

    the notion that there is some idealized money supply inherently consistent with a given level of economic activity is laughably naive. you set monetary policy as a tool to achieve a given end; the current economic level is context for that activity. i've not seen (but would be quite interested in seeing) any serious, quantitive analysis of the Fed's handling of money supply that makes a strong case that they could have avoided the housing bubble without serious consequences (like astronomical inflation).

    and no, of course greed is not new. but we've spent 20+ years disassembling the regulatory structure designed to keep our greed in check, which had worked very well for about 50 years before that. greed drove the disassembly, of course, coupled with a religious devotion to a particularly warped conception of the free market and crypto corporatism.

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  13. Re:Opinion by twostix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It absolutely *stuns* me, I mean jaw drops, cannot move holy shit WTFOMGBBQ that still to this day after millions of man hours dedicated to and billions of pages written dissecting each and every micrometer of the global mess that is known as the financial meltdown. That there are *still* individuals such as yourself so self assured in your absolute delusion drooling "freddie and fannie forced to give loans" even makes sense, let alone was what brought the entire worlds economy to its knees.

    Truly you are an intellectual giant. To somehow miss the entirety of the worlds press output and conclusions in dissecting the cause of the crash and manage to attribute it to a few US home mortgages that were given due to some legislation in the 90's takes some *serious* mental horsepower.

    Here's the cause of the financial meltdown for you in easy to digest pieces.

    1. Banks begin selling mortgages directly to investors.
    2. This makes banks a huge amount of money, and so they start handing out mortgages willy nilly so they can sell even more, even to people who they would *never* have lent to before. But now they don't care AS THEY DON"T OWN THE MORTGAGES. -- see that's the bit where they *chose* to give out the crap mortgages. But of course now they try and blame it on the government so corporate lick-spittle dimwits would sell themselves down the river to protect said banks.
    3. They package these BAD mortgages up as AAA rated mortgages with the complicity of criminally fradulent ratings agencies.
    4. They sell these corrupt mortgage package on to investors rated AAA when in fact they should be rated -ZZZ GTFO.
    5. Investors then on sell them, sometimes even *back* to the banks, the packages stop representing any sort of true wealth at all and become fake paper wealth, only held up by the stupidity of huge investment firms and financial institutions.
    5. A few people default on their mortgages...investors suddenly realize that their AAA rated mortgages actually are mixed up with extremely high risk mortgages as well.
    6. Investors shit themselves and sell them ASAP.
    7. A couple of mammoth financial institutions take big hits.
    8. AIG insures said institutions...except AIG actually doesn't actually have any money to give them.
    9. Banks, financial "institutions" and half of wall street are stuck with a few trillion dollars worth of "toxic" assets, that is packages that are so extraordinarily complicated and recursive that noone knows who actually owns what and how much is real wealth and how much is fake ponzi bullshit scheme wealth.

    10. Dimwits somehow blame all this on some ridiculous 1990's legislation that doesn't even GOVERN 70% of the institutions at the top of the problem.
    11. Thieves in said institutions use the ensuing shit fight by useful idiots blaming the "over entitled poor people" to stage the biggest plundering of a public treasury in the history of the world.

    12. Occasional dimwits continue to blame the government - in some sort of bizarro world NOT for their lack of regulation in order to prevent such an enormous pyramid scheme from being concocted in the first place...but for somehow *forcing* these institutions to fraudulently package shit mortgages that they *chose* to give out as AAA rated investments, making trillions of dollars profit by doing so and trying to pass them along before it all fell apart as is typical of any ponzi scheme.

    13. Give it up and learn FFS.

    That said the Federal Reserve bears alot of responsibility for the low cost of money making credit to easy to get for the large firms. Of course the fact that the VERY SAME large firms make up the majority of the seats on the Federal Reserve makes blaming the government even stupider.

    Except of course for giving the Federal Reserve that sort of power in the first place. Which is a call for more regulation...not less.