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Standard Cellphone Chargers For Europeans

k33l0r writes "The European Commission is confident that all major cellphone companies have reached an agreement on a standard cellphone charger for consumers within the EU. 'People will not have to throw away their charger whenever they buy a new phone,' said EU Industry Commissioner Guenter Verheugen. Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Motorola, Apple, LG, NEC, Qualcomm, Research in Motion, Samsung and Texas Instruments have all signed the agreement."

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  1. Micro by pete-classic · · Score: 4, Informative

    The story is incorrectly tagged miniusb. It's actually micro USB (which is an inferior connector, in my opinion) which is slightly smaller and lacks the "ears" of mini USB, which is what the Blackberry uses.

    -Peter

    1. Re:Micro by AlecC · · Score: 5, Informative

      The micro-USB is superior to the mini-USB in that the springs which provide the retaining force are on the cable side and not on the phone side. If the spring breaks, you throw away the cable/charger, not the phone.

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  2. Re:So what's it gonna be? by furby076 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Maybe instead of just trying to get a first post in you read the damn article.

    The Commission said the agreement would involve the creation of an EU norm, and that the new generation of mobile phones would use a standard micro-USB socket to ensure compatibility.

    4th paragraph

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  3. Good! by zebslash · · Score: 3, Informative

    My girlfriend and me have both a Sony-Ericson phone, bought 3 years apart. Guess what ? Both chargers and connectors are proprietary, fragile, weird and different! Of course if you lose it you'll have to spend an arm to get a replacement.

    However this will only work if vendors give the option NOT to get a new charger with a new phone. Otherwise, this will not be really useful.

  4. Re:Good, I guess... by furby076 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I take it that Apple isn't part of this little bandwagon.

    L2RTFA. They agreed to it.

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  5. The original post by buchner.johannes · · Score: 3, Informative

    press release and a memo.

    Most interesting parts:

    Incompatibility of chargers for mobile phones is a major inconvenience for users and also leads to unnecessary waste. Therefore, the Commission has requested industry to come forward with a voluntary commitment to solve this problem so as to avoid legislation.

    and

    Industry commits to provide chargers compatibility on the basis of the Micro-USB connector. Once the commitment becomes effective, it will be possible to charge data-enabled mobile phones from any charger compatible with the common specifications.

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  6. Re:Correction by oneirophrenos · · Score: 3, Informative

    You mean the manufacturers will be able to make the charger an accessory.

    Well, isn't that a good thing? What would be the logic of this agreement if the companies just continued supplying chargers with each phone?

  7. Re:How about the damn US? by Laebshade · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's because Verizon locks their phones down big time. Since the phone detected a USB data connection, it refuses to charge.

  8. Re:So what's it gonna be? by Forge · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTFA
    It will be Mini-USB. However there are 2 issues still to clarify.

    1. Will the phone be required to charge at the standard voltages delivered by a PC USB port? I would hate to see that BS achieved by Motorola, where you can only charge on a PC if the Motorola Charger is installed. I would prefer if everyone else has to change to match Blackberry. If my Blackberry runs low in the data center I can just plug into any exposed USB port on a powered up server. . A Dell waiting at the BIOS screen or a SUN in full production.

    2. Will this be coordinated with the Chinese standard? If both the EU and China agree on a standard, India and Japan can be convinced to adopt it. Leaving America to figure out which direction it wants to go.

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  9. Re:Apple? by Tony+Hoyle · · Score: 3, Informative

    The dock connector already accepts USB charging.. they just need to produce an adapter cable - which knowing apple will be an optional accessory costing arm+leg.

  10. Micro is superior for this use... by nweaver · · Score: 4, Informative

    MiniUSB is rated for 1000 connect/disconnect cycles

    MicroUSB is rated for 10,000 connect/disconnect cycles, and is also thinner by about 1.5mm (critical on modern thin devices).

    Given the power consumption on some smartphones, having the more durable connector is IMO, essential.

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  11. Part of the USB Spec by pavon · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is part of the USB spec. Originally USB hosts were only required to provide a certain amount of current to devices. Later they decided to increase this, but to provide backwards compatibility the device has to ask if the host is capable of sourcing that much current before it starts drawing it.

  12. Re:Batteries too... by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

    That would be nice to have a standard for Li-ion batteries too, from mobile phones to shavers and laptops. This way, it would be easier to recycle and replace batteries, lower costs and remove vendor-specific locks. I like alkaline batteries: around 4-5 different formats to power most of our stuff. With Li-ion, we have gained in power and time, but lost in flexibility. Is that so difficult to implement ?

    Lithium ion cells are standardized. Rebuilding the batteries by opening the casing and replacing the cells is often possible. But lithium-polymer cells are a different story; in order to use every bit of space inside the battery or device, the cells are shaped to fit it. So it really IS difficult to implement.

  13. Re:How does this Ensure Compatibility? by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not enough detail in the article, but most likely by following the USB Battery Charging Specification. (Which was, unfortunately, released long after numerous "de facto" standards for signaling dumb chargers became prolific, most of which involve tying mini-USB pin 4 to ground with varying amounts of resistance. This can't be done in micro-USB, as micro-USB has specified meaning for pin 4.)

    Does your Pre draw 1000 mA from a computer, or from a "dumb charger" that signals itself as such?

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