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GPS-Based System For Driving Tax Being Field Tested

An anonymous reader writes "Apparently, since gas consumption is going down and fuel efficient cars are becoming more popular, the government is looking into a new form of taxation to create revenue for transportation projects. This new system is a 'by-the-mile tax,' requiring GPS in cars so it can track the mileage. Once a month, the data gets uploaded to a billing center and you are conveniently charged for how much you drove. 'A federal commission, after a two-year study, concluded earlier this year that the road tax was the "best path forward" to keep revenues flowing to highway and transportation projects, and could be an important new tool to help manage traffic and relieve congestion. ... The commission pegged 2020 as the year for the federal fuel tax, currently 18.5 cents a gallon, to be phased out and replaced by a road tax. One estimate of a road tax that would cover the current federal and state fuel taxes is 1 to 2 cents per mile for cars and light trucks.'"

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  1. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by wjousts · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's another really nice tool that has the advantage that EVERY car already has one:

    Odometer

  2. Great by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is great, especially as there is no way to abuse this.

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    1. Re:Great by keytoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is quite a leap from $106.73 to $300.00.

      You're assuming they'll drop the gasoline tax. I'm betting it's more like a leap from $106.73 to $406.73.

  3. Great Idea by bdenton42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    GPS would be infinitely useful for governments. In addition to tracking mileage they can automatically charge tolls and even issue speeding tickets.

    Why not just continue to raise the fuel taxes to generate revenue? That would serve to continue to reduce fuel consumption which would be a good thing.

  4. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why not tax fuel?
    - consumption is proportional to milage!
    - promotes fuel efficiency!
    - collection is easy!
    - big brother not included!

     

  5. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by wjousts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since it's a federal tax, it doesn't really matter where you drive from the point-of-view of collecting taxes. How you dole out that money for highway projects is a problem however.

  6. That's not a good replacement by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's another really nice tool that has the advantage that EVERY car already has one: Odometer

    So who gets the money from that?

    Currently if I am driving in a state the state usually gets some percentage of the gas tax.

    If you are just checking the odometer, my home state gets all the money even if I travel out of state often?

    I don't like the GPS idea one bit, I'm just saying checking the odometer does not solve the problem.

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    1. Re:That's not a good replacement by A+nonymous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Raising the gas tax is far cheaper, impossible to turn into Big Brother, and localizes the the state and community pretty well, on average.

    2. Re:That's not a good replacement by 2obvious4u · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wow, you missed the point entirely.

      The reason for the tax is because I can now buy production electric cars which don't use any gas. So you could put whatever amount of tax on gas you wanted and the government wouldn't get a cent.

      This then leads to:
      SUV owner pays a lot of tax.
      Trucking Industry collapses.
      Daily commuter pays near the same tax due to fuel economy.
      Hybrid owner pays low tax.
      EV owner pays no tax.

      All use the same roads, but are now taxed at different rates.

      My solution: Tax tires. It has a direct correlation to road usage and all vehicles use tires. If you drive hard you do more damage to the road and your tires, meaning you'll need to replace both sooner. If you drive like a granny your tires will last longer and so will the roads.

      I'll remove any GPS unit they try and put in my car. I may soon be spending a great deal of time in jail.

  7. Hidden doubling (or more) of taxes by jnaujok · · Score: 4, Insightful

    See, the people will revolt if we suddenly double or triple the gas tax, which is 18.5 cents a gallon.

    But, since we're going to mandate that all cars get 35 miles per gallon, and then we charge 1 to 2 cents (and it'll be two cents, if not four by the time it gets passed), then that means we've effectively upped the gas tax to between 35 and 70 cents a gallon (or $1.40 by four cents a mile). And the great part is that, just like income tax, they won't see the per gallon increase, they just get a bill at the end of the month that they have to pay.

    Way to double, triple, or more the gas tax without looking like it.

    Also, by the law of unintended consequences, by removing the tax from the gas, it makes it more cost effective to buy an older, cheaper gas guzzler, than a new, expensive, hybrid car. Thanks for destroying the environment, morons.

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  8. Re:Odometer by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They already do write down the mileage when you get the emissions checked. Not for the safety check I think. The info is in the DMV database. maybe the DMV database is so screwed up that the tax people do not want to touch it.

  9. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by wjousts · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How much of your mileage isn't on public roads? For most people, I'd guess almost none (up and down the driveway doesn't account for much for my trip into work each day). So, tough shit. No system is going to be perfect.

  10. Finally by buddhaunderthetree · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Something that might get more Americans to ride bicycles.

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  11. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by bdenton42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now we don't need anything to discourage moving toward electric / hybrid / high mileage vehicles. The environmental benefits and economic benefits of removing the need for foreign oil would far outweigh whatever revenue the government would receive.

    Eventually they could probably come up with an electric metering system for plug-ins which would be far less intrusive than having a GPS watching you all the time.

  12. It will be both taxes by kperrier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is no way in hell that the government will remove any gas taxes, they will just add the per mile tax.

  13. Re:Do we really need GPS to track mileage ? by Clockwork+Apple · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "the Prius drivers have more of an impact on the roads because they can drive much further (and cause much more wear on the roads) than the Hummer drivers."

    The Prius weighs in at just over 3000 lbs, the Hummer H3 at just over 6000. How is the Prius with it's smaller wheels and less weight going to do MORE damage to roads no matter how far they drive? Seems like the way to measure the damage is per mile right, not vehicle range?

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