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Record-Breaking Solar Cells Tailored To Location

Urchin writes "The quality of sunlight varies depending on where you live, but off-the-shelf solar cells are all identical. A new solar cell designed by UK firm Quantasol is easily tuned to adapt to the local light conditions, which boosts its long-term performance. Its short-term performance isn't bad though — the single junction solar cell has a peak efficiency greater than any previous device, beating a world record that's stood for 21 years."

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  1. It's vs its by ChrisCampbell47 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I know I'm heading to the moderation cellar for this, but COME ON guys, don't be so damn lazy about your language. See my sig below.

    That kind of mistake is a huge cognitive speed bump for many readers. You're blowing your chance to communicate with your audience when you make (and belittle complaints about) adolescent mistakes like this.

    1. Re:It's vs its by EdIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They are ALL lazy. Not just Slashdot. Since everything went online the quality of spelling and grammar has hit Elementary school levels. AP, Reuters, The New York Frikkin' Times, etc. ALL have various errors these days.

      My mind seems to auto-correct for these mistakes pretty quickly while I am reading, but it does make me wonder if we would not be better off hiring 3rd graders to write these things out instead of journalism majors.

      Let's face it. If you don't get a red line underneath what you are typing we know just assume that its okay to submit.

    2. Re:It's vs its by EdIII · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wooooooooooooosssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!!

  2. Greater than any previous *single junction* device by Rei · · Score: 3, Informative

    Multi-junction cells are over 40%.

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  3. Vs. vs. vs by sexconker · · Score: 5, Funny

    I know I'm heading to the moderation cellar for this, but COME ON guys, don't be so damn lazy about your language. See my sig below.

    That kind of mistake is a huge cognitive speed bump for many readers. You're blowing your chance to communicate with your audience when you make (and belittle complaints about) adolescent mistakes like this.

    1. Re:Vs. vs. vs by BKX · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just so you know, in most non-US English-speaking countries, abbreviations that end with the last letter of the world don't get a period after them. Examples:

      Mr
      vs
      Dr

      versus:

      Mich.
      Univ.
      Rev.

      In the US, we just got lazy and started using periods everywhere.

  4. Efficiency VS Cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Efficiency doesn't really matter. What we really want is the lowest cost per kWh. What's the price of these?

    1. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by dakameleon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I hesitate to say because it feels too goddamn obvious but higher efficiency leads to lower cost-per-kWh, so you really should care. What you (or the manufacturer) really should be looking for is the pay-off point - where the improved efficiency matches or beats the older tech in cost-per-kWh terms.

      The other point to make however is that irrespective of cost, more efficient technology can mean wider applications - where previously it would be pointless to put a solar panel because of, say, space limitations, the more efficient ones can possibly find an application.

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    2. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by justinlee37 · · Score: 3, Informative

      More efficient technology does not mean wider applications irrespective of cost. Technology is defined as being more efficient BY what it costs; if it costs less it is more efficient. The science is still interesting but from a practical standpoint whether or not these will be used widely is directly related to the average cost of the electricity it produces. There is a reason that we don't use people pedaling on bicycles to produce electricity; because of the cost. If labor were much cheaper than burning coal then we would use that instead. Unfortunately the cost of labor is influenced by the COST of living.

      If the super-efficient solar panels are constructed of rare materials that cost millions of dollars, then the higher efficiency will not necessarily lead to lower cost-per-kWh. The OP does care, they're just being realistic and not jumping to conclusions, which is what you should do when analyzing any investment.

    3. Re:Efficiency VS Cost by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Informative

      I hesitate to say because it feels too goddamn obvious but higher efficiency leads to lower cost-per-kWh, so you really should care.

      That's partly true. However, there's an interplay between peak/average efficiency and environmental factors of the light. This means that two panels with the same peak efficiency might produce wildly different ammounts of energy. For example, a panel that maintains its efficieny in dim light would be better suited to the Pacific Northwest or other cloudy climates, while one with a high peak efficiency only in bright light is best for Southwestern sunny states.

      But as you yourself said, the important part is the cost-per-kWh break even point. This is completely unrelated to efficiency. A panel with 50% efficiency compared to some standard panel that has 10% the cost per area is more cost effective per kWh. Same with a panel that costs 4x as much but only produces 50% more energy. The question is, which kind of efficiency do you care about? Typically quoted efficiency (ammount of energy converted) is essentially a measure of space efficiency: how much area it takes to meet your power requirements.

      The more important question for most people, I believe, is 'how much does the energy cost?' and that's where the cost per kWh value comes from. Ideally this measure will be determined accross the panel's lifetime, meaning the value is directly comparable to your current power cost. Do the panels provide energy at 1 cent per kWh cheaper? If so, there is no (economic) reason not to use as many as is practical. You might not get as much energy as with 'high-efficiency' cells, but your total bill will go down.

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  5. Wanted: cheap, not efficient by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    30%? 40%? Efficiency only matters if you're constrained by space (airplanes) or by weight (satellites). 15%-efficient solar cells are good enough that you can power your house with them by covering your roof -- or would be, if they were produced cheaply and in quantity.

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    1. Re:Wanted: cheap, not efficient by jcaplan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The article mentions the efficiency of the cell at 500x normal sunlight, so the idea here is to use inexpensive mirrors to concentrate the light onto expensive cells. The setup is bulkier, but could be cost effective, even with very expensive cells, since you buy fewer cells. With mirrors and high efficiency cells, you also can get the same power out of a much smaller installation. This setup might not be ideal for residential rooftops, but would work for large flat-roofed buildings and desert installations.

  6. What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to belittle this accomplishment, but I'd prefer to see an increase in average efficiency. According to the article the peak efficiency is found when panels are exposed to light 500 times that of normal light. How does that translate to efficiency under normal operating conditions (such as a semi-cloudy day in the midwest)? The article is rather short on details concerning how well the solar cells operate when they are "tailored to their locations."

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    1. Re:What about average efficiency? by Carnildo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to belittle this accomplishment, but I'd prefer to see an increase in average efficiency. According to the article the peak efficiency is found when panels are exposed to light 500 times that of normal light. How does that translate to efficiency under normal operating conditions (such as a semi-cloudy day in the midwest)?

      It translates into an acre of cheap mirrors instead of an acre of expensive solar panels.

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    2. Re:What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, thank you, you've successfully tested my ability to read and recall memories. What I'd really like to know is how many of these cheap lenses and mirrors will now be necessary vs how many I was using before, and how much more efficient will the operation of storing energy be on days when the sky is not absolutely cloudless? I realize that the solar cell is more efficient at absorbing light, but how can this be applied to a "normal" usage pattern (when we're not talking about 500x the normal amount of light)? I don't mean for a satellite, or a solar farm, or anything like that. I'm talking about non-commercial usage, such as an individual home.

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    3. Re:What about average efficiency? by SirLurksAlot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There is no average efficiency, because unfortunately the bastard that designed this version of Earth didn't make solar radiation distribution gaussian.

      Perhaps not, however the light that actually reaches the panels is in no way constant. Some days will be cloudier (or smoggier for that matter) than others, so it is great that we have really good peak efficiency with these new cells, but how often will that peak be reached and how well does it operate at less than optimal light conditions? I'm looking for practical, non-commercial applications.

      For some reason, snow and solar panels get along like a big house on fire.

      What about solar panels pointed at burning houses coated in magnesium? Maybe the peak efficiency will be useful there ;-)

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    4. Re:What about average efficiency? by fractoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you're already buying an acre or more of heliostatic mirrors, it'd probably be cheaper and more efficient to use a solar fired steam turbine to do the generating. Then, if you use a molten salt reservoir, you have some energy storage for night-time power generation as well.

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    5. Re:What about average efficiency? by cpotoso · · Score: 5, Informative

      It translates into an acre of cheap mirrors instead of an acre of expensive solar panels.

      Not quite the same: concentrating mirrors suck in anything but a perfectly clear day (i.e. no clouds), but a simple non-concentrated PV panel still works quite well with some (not much) cloud coverage. In other words: unless you live in AZ or some other desert, stick with non-concentrated PV panels.

  7. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by CorporateSuit · · Score: 2, Funny

    Solar panels are actually very cheap to get. Drive down a freeway with those solar-powered emergency phones, knock down a few of the poles, take the panel from on top, and install it on your home. They're free to anyone who has the gumption to get them, courtesy of your state highway department!

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  8. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by BigPeen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Umm, TONS of electronics use As, that doesn't make them dangerous. When its covalently bonded to things like Ga its pretty safe.

  9. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Funny

    But what if you injure yourself? How would you call for help if you have wrecked the phone?

  10. Silicon efficiency by ender06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Current silicon cells are about 15-20% average efficiency, NOT 10-12%. They peak at just over 25% efficient as demonstrated by the research lab at the University of New South Wales in Australia.

    SunPower A300 silicon cells average about 20% per bin.

  11. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's true. The Fraunhofer Institute itself has produced more efficient cells. And all use multiple junctions.

    Examples:
    Fraunhofer - triple junction
    NREL - triple junction
    University of Delaware - bream splitting

    All claim to be the record because there is no standardized way to measure power efficiency. However, the concept of quantum wells used in solar cells is a new concept.

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  12. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Informative

    That's one company. Globally there is a much larger backlog.

    Furthermore, it's very disingenuous to compare a commercial large-scale energy source with a localized energy source. Retail costs of solar production are not an apt comparison.

    Finally, you need to understand that your electricity is heavily subsidized if you live near a nuke plant. Nuke plant power costs would be around 18 cents per kWH for new plants in the US (and that's a conservative estimate; costs to build plants are skyrocketing, all current projects in Europe are WAY over budget and it gets worse every year). Solar farms in good locations consistently produce power at 22-25 cents per kWH. Note this include materials, construction, maintenance, etc.

    Yes, there's a cost gap. But that gap is closing.

    Also, in checking my numbers, I came across this article from earlier today about the skyrocketing costs of nuclear power. It mentions estimated prices of 12 - 20 cents per kWh. My figure of 18 cents is the Keystone Center's midrange estimate.

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  13. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by hardburn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, let's wait for a perfect, 100% pure solution before replacing the ugly, dirty, nasty coal energy plants we have right now.

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  14. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by elashish14 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My guess is that it's a lot more expensive. Semiconductor devices have to be processed in vacuum conditions and often at high temperatures; and the more precessing you use (triple junction has minimum 4 layers), the higher the cost. This is why there's interest in alternative, non-semiconductor devices like dye-based and conjugated polymer cells. Easy to produce in solution and at low temperature, no vacuum. There's a plethora of other undesirables in semiconductor solar cells too, like weight, inflexibility, etc.

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  15. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2, Funny

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  16. 500x normal sunlight. by Jartan · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It sounds like the interesting part here isn't the efficiency but that it's efficient enough and can handle a lot of extra sunlight via mirrors. The article fails to give any info though on what kind of efficiency other solar cells can achieve with mirrors focused on them. Without any reference it's hard to get an idea for whether or not this is even useful though.

    1. Re:500x normal sunlight. by ender06 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Spectrolab has the solar cell world record with their triple junction GaAs cells at 40.7% at about 400x or 500x. Amonix Corporation has the silicon world record at 27.6% at approximately the same concentration level.

  17. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by Marcika · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It was only this year that the solar cell industry celebrated break the $1/watt barrier. Meanwhile, I'm getting power piped into my home at a few cents a kilowatt from a nuke plant ten minutes drive from here. And the power plant will last a lot longer than solar cells stapled to some roof will.

    Don't spread FUD here if you can't get your physical units right! You get "power" for a few cents per kWh, not kW (they sell you energy, not power actually - the difference is important). The thin-film solar cells have broken 1$ per Watt installed - i.e. per measure of power which will produce energy year-in, year-out (viz. 1 kWh every 42 days) and thus might end up being as cheap as nuclear energy if you count in the nukes' externalities like reprocessing, security, radioactive waste that are mostly dealt with by the government...

  18. Re:Greater than any previous *single junction* dev by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    multijunction cells can also perform worse then single junction cells in non-optimum light conditions. A cell's output is effectively throttled by the lowest producing junction (similar to why it's so bad to allow a shadow to fall on part of an array). So if its cloudy or something and most of your light is reflected, you can get more power out of a low-wavelength single junction cell then you can out of a triple junction one.

  19. Re:But what about price? by kimvette · · Score: 2, Funny

    Don't underestimate the hippies' addiction to smug.

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  20. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by fractoid · · Score: 2, Funny

    Along the same vein, I justify driving my old, fuel-inefficient sports car by taking the dinosaurs' viewpoint. They were wiped out by global cooling, man! Releasing all this sequestered carbon dioxide is just my way of saving the planet. Someday when your grandchildren are living in the subtropical paradise that Antarctica will become, you'll thank me.

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  21. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...and thus might end up being as cheap as nuclear energy if you count in the nukes' externalities like reprocessing, security, radioactive waste that are mostly dealt with by the government

    In the US at least, nuclear power plant operators are required to pay into the Nuclear Waste Fund for just this purpose. "As of March 31, 2005, the total revenue paid into the Nuclear Waste Fund amounted to $24.9 billion. Of that amount, only $8.9 billion has been spent on program costs, leaving a balance of $16.02 billion that has been collected, but not applied to the used nuclear fuel disposal program." So there is a big (and growing) pile of money for whatever long-term solution we eventually settle on.

    I am not sure of the degree to which security costs are externalized. I think they pay their own dedicated protective forces, or pay the NRC a security fee. But after 911, the National Guard also got involved, which sounds like an externality, though I don't know whether that was permanent.

  22. Re:Environmentally sound... hehehe. by fwr · · Score: 2, Informative

    While technically correct, a subsidy is more commonly used to describe an outright grant of money, with no requirement to pay it back. Such as the government subsidizing PBS, or the Arts programs, or giving grants for medical research. A loan guarantee, which is what the article is talking about, is not what most people would call a subsidy.

    You could also say that solar technology is highly subsidized by the government, and otherwise isn't profitable.

    Solar Financing, Subsidies, and Incentives

    Some of them are financing, which if just a loan guarantee is what people are talking about for the nuclear industry in the future, but some are outright tax breaks (grants, or real subsidies).

  23. Re:Not really by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A manufacturer does not sell a product for less than it costs to make. The cost to make it includes the cost of the energy that it takes to make it.
    Assume I buy a 1 watt cell for $3 (No, you wouldn't buy a single watt cell). At $0.05/kwH, if half the cost was energy, it would take 30 kwH to make the cell. How much energy will I get out of it? Assume 6 hr/day, and the cell lasts for 20 years, then it would produce 44 kwH over its lifetime (1w x 6 hr/day x 365 day / year x 20 years).
    Of course, I'm just making these numbers up, YMMV, etc. But, I can't see any way that it takes more energy to make than it will produce based on the math.

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