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SolarNetOne Wants Stable Internet Connections For Developing Nations

There are many initiatives to bring tech to developing areas of the globe; things like OLPC, Geekcorps, and UN programs. One new approach from SolarNetOne strives to allow users in those developing areas to have access to an internet connection without having to depend on unreliable infrastructure. "Each SolarNetOne kit is a self-powered communications network. Energy is produced from a solar array sized to each locale's latitude and predominant weather conditions. The generated power is stored in a substantial battery array, and circuit breakers and electronics protect the gear from overloads and other perturbations. A basic kit includes five 'seats,' implemented as thin clients connected through a LAN to a central server. The networking gear also includes a long-range, omnidirectional WiFi access point, and a Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) device. Each kit also includes all the cables and wires required to assemble the system, so few additional materials are required for an installation."

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  1. Is the digital divide really the problem here? by Palestrina · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Think of it this way, before 2000, or so, most people in the developed countries were not connected to the internet either. But that did not prevent us from attaining a high level of education, standard of living, etc. We landed a man on the moon with most engineers still using slide rules!

    So I'm not buying it that the life of the average African would be substantially improved by their ability to download videos from YouTube. The article uses the example of Rwanda, that only 1% of the population can connect to the internet. OK, that is very low, I admit. But maybe decades of genocidal tribal warfare might also be a factor here, and addressing the root causes might a higher priority than the ability to set up a Facebook page.

    I think it comes down to the basics: pubic safety, rule of law, market structures, literacy, infrastructure, etc. A connection to the internet can certainly help, in some cases. But in no way is it a necessity. Lower tech solutions may be more robust and effective, e.g., long distance shortwave radios, packet radio BBS's, etc.

    1. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by Darkness404 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with you, there are also some things to be gained from having access to the internet. For example how many people would care about the situation in Iran if Iran had no internet? The internet lets people empathize with others around the world and allows for new ideas to be shared that might help create a revolution. When the poor villages in Africa realize that their tribal overlords aren't helping them, that food isn't as scarce as they think it is, change will happen.

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    2. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by Palestrina · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Didn't word of Tienanmen Square spread via fax machines?

      My point is if you are looking for the greatest impact, then your idea of robustness needs to encompass more than the physical properties of the device. You're more likely to fail for lack of training, spare parts, support, basic infrastructure, etc. I think shortwave radio is far more robust. That is what we whip out in hurricanes, etc., when all the basic infrastructure is down. It is what works when nothing else does.

      If I dropped you at a random spot in Africa, would you rather have a handheld shortwave radio? Or an iPhone?

      (And forget for a moment that you would be more likely to be able to trade the iPhone for a ride to the nearest international airport)

    3. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by PoolOfThought · · Score: 2, Insightful

      C'mon now... Can't I just download the shortwave radio app from the iPhone store?

      FTA:Moreover, many countries have makeshift, fragile utility grids, rendering computers and uplinks useless during what are typically interminable outages. Worse, a natural disaster or civil emergency can cause widespread failure of infrastructureâ"ironically, just as the very same facilities are needed to communicate and coordinate with relief workers and local populations. Shipping containers full of recycled computers from the United States and other world powers do little good without electricity.

      Seriously though, it seems like an okay idea to make internet connectivity available to every village everywhere, but what happens when it breaks down for any number of reasons? Seems like those panels would be put to a lot better use providing energy for any needs in the event of one of these "fragile utility grid" having a failure than limiting it to just computer / internet access. We just had a grid failure due to a tornado, and I would have taken electricity over internet access given the option...

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    4. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by NoNeeeed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are right, being able to watch youtube videos it not very useful.

      Unless it's a youtube video about treating a livestock disease, or better techniques for planting.

      Or perhaps being able to contact someone at the market *before* you set of on the three day trek to sell your crops/animals so that you know it's worth going and that you'll get a good price, rather than getting there and getting stiffed because you have to sell to *someone* but there's a glut.

      Seriously, this isn't about being able to watch Star Wars parody videos on YouTube. It's about communication. In large, thinly populated countries, with terrible physical infrastructure, and sod-all education provision, communication can make a huge difference.

      Mobile phones are massively popular in Africa, incredibly useful for farmers and traders, allowing them to organise, and work more efficiently. They have made a very real difference to the way these societies operate.

      Remember, unlike the developed world, which is replacing otherwise functional communications infrastructure with the Internet, the developed world is jumping straight to it. This isn't about having the internet in Africa, it's about having any working communications system at all in Africa, and at the moment the best candidate systems are mobile phones and the internet.

    5. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by IntricateEnigma · · Score: 3, Informative

      The parent is correct. I've worked internationally, and very few problems can simply be solved by providing material possessions to those without them. You can donate a tractor to a village and even provide them training in how to use it, but chances are it will never see even a portion of its potential. Even the most trivial of maintenance tasks for us can become incredibly compounded and complicated out there even if they have enough of a fundamental grasp of how to perform the maintenance. Where do I get oil? What happens the first time it needs an "inexpensive" $200 part from the USA or Europe?

      The most successful programs that bring change to an area focus more on teaching people how to fully take advantage of the resources already at their disposal. A singular technology or resource can be brought in and taught if its fundamentally simple (like a hand water pump; forget electric) or how to make and use soap with the materials around them. Believe me, some of those tasks are already arduous.

      This project is incredibly useful though, just not for the natives or computer illiterate. Target groups would be the international companies or organizations who set up bases in country and need and know how to take full advantage of the internet as a resource.

    6. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by notarockstar1979 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think it comes down to the basics: pubic safety, rule of law, market structures, literacy, infrastructure, etc. A connection to the internet can certainly help, in some cases. But in no way is it a necessity. Lower tech solutions may be more robust and effective, e.g., long distance shortwave radios, packet radio BBS's, etc.

      They taught us pubic safety in the military before we went to strange ports. It's important for everyone to know and will certainly increase quality of life.

    7. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by TheLink · · Score: 2, Informative

      There are plenty of lectures available online. The OP underestimates the potential of Youtube and similar stuff.

      See: http://www.youtube.com/user/MIT

      Don't like MIT? Try Stanford then.
      http://www.youtube.com/user/stanforduniversity

      Plenty more. e.g.
      http://www.youtube.com/user/ucberkeley

      How about seeing what people can learn in IIT, India?

      http://www.youtube.com/user/nptelhrd

      Or UNSW in Australia?

      http://www.youtube.com/user/unswelearning

      Or "attend" a lecture given by the Noble Prize winner Richard Feynman?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M0e1lzB1lY

      Youtube is a good way to waste time for people who like to waste time.

      But it is also a good way to learn stuff for people who want to learn stuff.

      And it's far more efficient if students can figure out they hate a course way before they even sign up for it and thus don't waste time and money.

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    8. Re:Is the digital divide really the problem here? by sbeckstead · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The one thing that we have always had that these developing nations haven't is the ability of the common people to get news and human events stories. When you connect the people you can easily see that there is little difference between you and the people your commander has just told you to wipe out. You can also see that the rest of the world is ready to condemn you for what you are about to do. So communications and information dissemination is the key to these peoples developing more civilization. So even if the digital divide itself isn't the problem fixing it also fixes what is the problem and I see no harm in killing two birds with one stone.

  2. Jamming and network by Narpak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I was just wondering how this system would work inside a nation or region that is actively trying to censor internet access or jam any "illegal networks"; or if it is possible to create a system from this concept that would work in such nations.

  3. Protip: Do the opposite of what Charter does here. by Blixinator · · Score: 2, Funny

    That way, you'll have the most stable and reliable connection imaginable.

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  4. Essential Camping Equipment by flatass · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I just need a trailer to tow this baby along on our next family "camping" trip. God I love the great outdo.... wait! someone is wrong on the Internet! Kids your going to have to go hiking on your own.

  5. A much better Answer... by paulsnx2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The U.S. has nearly broken the bank, fighting for freedom by, well, fighting.

    Even in 2001, some technical people felt the better way to promote freedom would be to work to establish communications in countries that are now beset with violence and poverty and totalitarian control by oppressive governments (none of these three problems necessarily being related, mind you).

    There exist problems with doing this. One is addressed by this idea, how do you even make computers work where the utilities and support are unreliable if not non-existent. But the advantage of this is limited if you don't deal with a second problem: How you link people into the internet in a way that denies oppressors and/or conflicts from breaking these connections (as Iran has attempted to do lately)?

    Then of course, there is the problem of actually doing something. How do you get governments/people/companies to invest in the tiny costs (when compared to fighting in Iraq and elsewhere) of deploying such technology in places where it would be needed. The U.S. and its government is much more interested in dropping million dollar bombs to blow up stuff, than dropping a few bills in a way that would actually have leverage with the people of this world, and that would actually be appreciated.

    Bombs and war are disruptive and prevent people from both hearing the ideas about peace and tolerance and telling their own ideas and stories to the world. We need a technology that both gives people a voice no matter what their circumstances, and the ability to join the dialog about such problems even if the power doesn't run all the time.

    I hope people take such ideas seriously, and actually do something other than just sell these systems to rich people that like mountain cabins.

  6. Is recording devices really the problem here? by Ostracus · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "While I agree with you, there are also some things to be gained from having access to the internet. For example how many people would care about the situation in Iran if Iran had no internet?"

    They'd care even less if cell-phones didn't come with cameras.

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  7. Re:The Internet can feed the world by gclef · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While that statement is true on it's surface, it's also missing the point entirely. You also can't pull a people out of poverty by giving them food. You pull them out of poverty by teaching them how to do things for themselves (and minimizing corruption, but that's another discussion).

    Put another way, giving developing nations access to information is the long term solution...food aid is the short term one.

  8. this is part of it by zogger · · Score: 2, Informative

    Projects like this are part of "all of the above", part of getting food, clean water and medicine. The things needed to help people's and nations get to be better. I see a lot of comments about how useless this would be. On the contrary, given a village access to the net means they can learn about new ways to make indigenous water filters using cheap available resources. They can find out about newer methods of farming/sustainable agriculture. Look for new markets for their goods, or sources for cheaper goods they might need, tools, seeds etc. The access to just a lot of books and papers could help, from the schoolkids to the local overwhelmed medical person. It's not just one or the other that is needed in a lot of these places, it is all of it, all of the above. Civilization.

    Some orgs concentrate on medicines/vaccines, others on food aid, others on..whatever. This is just another way to help, and to do it cheaper, to leapfrog the old model of very expensive centralized wired infrastructure for both power and communications, and go directly to decentralized models that are faster/cheaper and easier to deploy.

    And socially, once people start to realize there is more than just the local tribe and the surrounding few square miles and whatever the local warlord or shaman dictates to them, beyond the abstract, with just a narrow and skewed jingoistic viewpoint, they can start to see we all need to get along better, because we are all human and have to share this planet, that we have more in common than what they might have been brainwashed into believing previously.

    In other words, with less viewpoints being available, remaining insular and cutoff, it is easier for the local warlords and power goons to keep their populations controlled and under their thumb and doing nutso stuff. Once they see there are other ways to "think and do", at least it gets them considering saner and more rational alternatives.

    We see it daily, look around at the headlines, dictatorship/regime X, the first thing they try to do if it looks like their rule might be threatened is they cut off and restrict and censor communications. This is *precisely* why we should encourage more widespread and open and free-er communications, *especially* in areas that have a rather severe lack of them to begin with.

  9. Re:Me, me! by StellarFury · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm not sure that no-infrastructure internet is possible in a heavily-bureaucratized, corporate-dominated country like this.

    Unless you're talking about just the "unreliable" infrastructure part. In which case it's still impossible in a heavily-bureaucratized, corporate-dominated country like this.

  10. 10 years experience in Developing Countries by cenc · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have been working the IT related fields in Latin America for over 10 years, both rural and urban. I have also spent some time teaching in China.

    One problem I see with this article is that it makes no mention of how they get the internet connectivity. Is it sat? Is it connecting to an existing upstream provider? Both are often unrealistic is developing countries even inside urban areas because of reliability issues, corruption, cost, monopolies, and so on. In rural areas there simply are not options, and because of low population with limited economic resources it is too expensive to provide it.

    The other problem that is an even greater issue is when the dam thing breaks, there are very very few people to maintain them. If someone has sufficient know how to fix something like this, chances are they are working for someone that pays a lot more (in local terms) because there is high demand for very few qualified IT people. Again, in rural areas they are often none existent. Anyone with those sorts of skills leaves. I have run in to this problem, even when money was no issue. There simply is no one to provide the support.

  11. Re:Me, me! by Perp+Atuitie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Reliable" would be good enough for me.

  12. Re:Is it appropriate ... by sbeckstead · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't fix the roof cause it's raining...boo hoo

  13. context matters by Kargoroth · · Score: 2, Interesting

    all by itself it mights not seem like much but if that selfsustainable minilan were deployed in a school, or an other education center, or a hospital, than it would make a significant difference.