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Volunteer Programming For Dummies?

Tios writes "I've been studying programming languages (C++, Java, C, Visual Basic) on my own with the self-guided, basic textbooks and tutorials, and I'm starting to get tired of working with examples that are not put into real use. I'm motivated to utilize my programming potential, but I've not had any experience programming in a team environment with lead developers, mentors, or collaborators. If finding a programming job isn't an option, I wonder if I could volunteer for programming in an open-source community. If this is a good idea, how do I start? What resources are out there that could get me oriented in volunteering? What kind of basic projects are out there, with a supportive team/mentor for me to develop, practice, learn, and contribute?"

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  1. make your own stuff by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The best practice is just doing it. That's how me and probably many others have learned about programming. In 90's I did have some programming and game developing books, but I pretty much read about those out of curiousity and because they were interesting. Actual programming knowledge comes from making something you like and learning from it. Every time you will learn more and more and it just goes along the way. In my teenage years coding games made the most fun out of it and I always learned more. This was even before Internet started to be so widespread, and only help I had was Delphi's (great!) manual.

    Seems you only have experience in programming by examples. There's lots of times you need to be able to solve a specific problem, and programming by examples doesn't teach that really well. You will also be relying on someone's elses views and "best coding practices" thinking, instead of actually developing your own and seeing much further. You need to be comfortable programming and solving problems by yourself if you look to join a team.

    I suggest you take some topic that's interesting to you and develop program around it. If you later get a better idea, don't be afraid to move into it. That's what happens to lots of programmers, but when learning it also improves creatly how you look at the problems and you see what you could have done better in your previous projects.

    1. Re:make your own stuff by Foofoobar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I second that emoticon. Alot of us learned how you learned; by just picking up books and putting it to practice. But we also went the extra mile by learning about coding practices, techniques, development practices, etc. The only way you learn about Eclipse is to start using it. The only way you learn about MySQL is to start using it. The only way you learn about MVC is to start using it. You really have to dive in and just keep your head above water.Sure you may get frustrated but if you were anything but a developer, you wouldn't have gotten this far in the first place.

      Anyone can sit in a classroom and be taught but a true developer goes out of their way and teaches themselves.

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    2. Re:make your own stuff by DriedClexler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm in largely the same position as the submitter, and I think the problem is that jumping into existing programs like you suggest is not the simple step you make it out to be. Stuff that may same "duh!" to you, may not be obvious to others. Stupid as it sounds, what I really need is some step-by-step instruction set like:

      "If you want to contribute to [OSS project or class of OSS projects], download the source files [here], and compile them using [program], which you can download [here], by [following this compiling procedure] with [these settings]. If you're a beginner, check out the part of the code that [does simple task x] which is in [file], and see how it interacts with the rest of the program. This program depends on [other files], which you can get [here]. [Here] is an example of where it uses them."

      But I have yet to find some tutorial like this anywhere.

      Gee, it's almost like they don't want people to learn to how to contribute.

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    3. Re:make your own stuff by fishbowl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wish more projects were as well-organized as KDE.

      http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/KMail_Junior_Jobs#KMail_Junior_Jobs

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  2. Glad you asked... by dkegel · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here are a few notes I wrote a while ago on the subject:
    http://kegel.com/academy/opensource.html

    http://kegel.com/wine/sweng/ might also be of some interest.

    1. Re:Glad you asked... by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Here are a few notes I wrote a while ago on the subject:
      http://kegel.com/academy/opensource.html

      http://kegel.com/wine/sweng/ might also be of some interest.

      I'll be honest, I thought those links were to something else entirely.

  3. Exactly by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That was my first thought too - he's missing the *middle* step. In between examples and collaborating on a huge multi-programmer project he needs to make something for himself first.

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  4. local community colleges by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Emphasis mine:

    What kind of basic projects are out there, with a supportive team/mentor for me to develop, practice, learn, and contribute?

    I think you've identified that as being the key for you.

    Do you live near a Junior/Community College? They are often great resources for things like this. The computer club or whatever they call it these days is a great way to meet people you could collaborate with, and most of the professors at most of these schools (in my experience) definitely enjoy being mentors. You'd probably need to enroll in a class to be able to participate, but classes are relatively cheap and they might benefit you anyway.

    When I finished college and relocated for a job, but didn't have a family yet, I took classes at my local CC for fun and to meet people, and joined a couple of clubs. This was a great experience for me, and there were several non-traditional (read: older) students who also participated (you might fit into this group). The great thing about the computer club was that other groups would come to us for help... we wrote a lot of programs to help the other clubs (especially the engineering club, since there was so much crossover in membership).

    I'd imagine that the computer clubs now participate in open-source projects a lot, but it's been a while since I was involved... but it probably wouldn't hurt for you to start there.

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  5. Non-Profits by Snap+E+Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've had a lot of experience volunteering for non-profit organizations. Granted, it's not the same type of "volunteering" that you mention, but it is a very good path to gain not only coding experience, but leadership skills, business experience, and of course, contacts. On the resume, it is definitely a differentiator. In interviews, I am always asked about my volunteer work.

    That being said, there are several pitfalls:

    1) The vast majority of non-profits are inherently very conservative and risk adverse due to their unique cash flow situation. You cannot just go into a group and say, "I'll build you X,Y, and Z and it will be fabulous." You must spend time gaining their trust in a volunteer capacity they ask for. If they're advertising on a volunteer site for a programmer, great. You're in. If there is an organization you want to help, but they're not asking for IT help, you may have to spend a long time volunteering for them in whatever role they need, buddy up to the higher ups, then offer advice on how you can streamline things for them.

    2) Be careful of the organizations you list on the resume. They might not always help. The homeless, animals, and children are all very good causes that won't offend anyone. Sadly, though, gay and lesbian causes may turn off a born-again HR screener. I'm not saying don't volunteer for controversial causes, but I am saying be careful of what you put on the resume.

    3) Be sure you know what you're doing. Even though it is a learning experience for you, it isn't. You are not giving any long term help to a organization by selecting obscure tools and sloppy coding. You will not be there forever. This goes for paid work and non-profit work. You may be hit by a bus, you may have a falling out. However, the product you create will be used for a long, long time. Use best practices and common tools. Mod me down, RoRers, but I recently talked to a non-profit that couldn't find anyone with RoR experience willing to help modify an app that some fly-by-night volunteer developed. They spent months posting on Craigslist and the usual volunteer sites, and eventually had to agree on a complete rewrite in PHP from another volunteer.

    1. Re:Non-Profits by kbromer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Please, please, PLEASE be careful with this. Understand that working with non-profits is a commitment, and that they're going to be 100% reliant on your expertise and documentation. You'll need to be careful to put on your consulting hat as well, ask alot of "Why?" questions. Often times NPOs will tell you what they THINK they need, not what they ACTUALLY need in technology. Be the expert. I work with non-profits as a DB/CRM consultant, and I cannot tell you the number of well-meaning volunteers who have cost non-profits thousands of dollars (not a small sum in the NPO community) in lost time, productivity, and then additional service/IT hours to people like me to fix the mistakes, holes and general sloppiness of applications developed for them in good faith. That "volunteer" project can often turn into a massive money-pit for organizations who cannot afford it. If you do go this route, DOCUMENT EVERYTHING (EVERYTHING), and make sure the org has several copies of your documentation. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't do this, but just understand its not your personal sandbox, these are real people, doing some VERY important and impactful work (most of them at least...) Please don't treat these orgs as second-class citizens or test-beds for your corporate career or cutting-edge untested ideas.

  6. Drop the Visual Basic. by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Drop the Visual Basic. Do it now. And never, ever, mention it again.

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  7. Grind your way... by Anne+Honime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've been pondering over the same questions for some time, and appart from starting your own project (a good way, but not everybody has the creativity to make a successful new application, many skilled persons are best performers when putting into code someone's else ideas), I would advise you to pick a middle sized project (2 or 3 regular devs), and begin with ancillary tasks.

    Many small projects build badly for instance ; so why not clean things up there, providing a good configure script ? Submit this, do the package for your distro, and maintain it. That should give you some familiarity with the code.

    Do the code documentation if lacking, or write the user doc. Most projects lack this too. Read each line of the code in the process. At this step, you will certainly become part of the team in some way, and you will have expertise over the code.

    Clean bugs. Now, you begin to have a feeling where they might be lurking.

    Get involved in the roadmap. Code the new features you feel like you can.

    That would be my take on the process

  8. Re:Thank you! by richlv · · Score: 4, Informative

    some projects have so called "junior jobs" - bugs or improvements that are easy enough so that a new contributor can tackle them - for example, http://techbase.kde.org/Contribute/Junior_Jobs

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  9. Re:Start here by westlake · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Navigating Sourceforge is a voyage of the damned.

    There are only two types of projects here. Those going nowhere, and those already solidly anchored.

  10. Re:Rent a coder by Windrip · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you live in a 1st world economy, I wouldn't bother w/ RAC. Most buyers will only pay 3rd world wages to RAC sellers. It's quite frustrating and will probably be a complete waste of your time. The only Americans who make money at the RAC site are the owners.