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BT Drops Phorm, Citing More Pressing Priorities

Tom DBA notes a story up at The Register that begins "BT has abandoned plans to roll out Phorm's controversial web monitoring and profiling system across its broadband network, claiming it needs to concentrate resources on network upgrades... BT's announcement comes a day before MPs and peers of the All Party Parliamentary Communications Group are due to begin an investigation of Internet privacy. Their intervention follows the EU's move to sue the UK government over its alleged failure... properly [to] implement European privacy laws with respect to the trials, drawing further bad publicity to the venture." We've discussed Phorm many times in the past.

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  1. How do we know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How do we know Phorm didn't use deep packet inspection/manipulation to show us this article while in fact it's not there.....

    Now I still have to find an appropriate Matrix quote and my tin foil hat.

  2. Re:Not BitTorrent by FrostedWheat · · Score: 3, Informative

    That's its name these days. Nobody, not even themselves, call it "British Telecom".

  3. n2n by hansraj · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Has anyone used the n2n peer VPN?

    It would be neat if such solutions were built into the popular distros; with all the monitoring creeping up around us it is about time that our PCs defaulted to encrypted traffic.

    1. Re:n2n by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why is the Wintard version payware? Pre-compiled and with an installer for â50? I'll stick with Tor thanks.

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  4. Re:Not BitTorrent by mpe · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's its name these days. Nobody, not even themselves, call it "British Telecom".

    At one time people were jokingly calling them Bombay Telecom. At least until India changed the name of the city.

  5. Re:Not BitTorrent by weeble · · Score: 2, Informative

    BT (British Telecom) was rebranded years ago and is most widely known as BT. This is because they are an International Company and did not want to be only associated with operating in the UK.

    See:
    http://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/britain_rebranded/

    "British companies now operate on a global scale and many had decided that any British associations were not good for business. A look at the number of privatised companies that have changed their names will tell you this. British Telecom was one of the first when it became BT in the early nineties - when many other national telecom companies - France Telecom and Deutche Telecom for example haven't felt the need. British Gas (now BG) and British Steel (now Corus) are two recent examples."

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  6. Not too good. by auric_dude · · Score: 5, Informative
    From BT via the http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm

    "[Our decision has] nothing to do with cost or privacy, it's about resources and priority,"

    1. Re:Not too good. by wjh31 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "...nothing do to with cost..."

      Money isnt a resource then?

    2. Re:Not too good. by Wowsers · · Score: 2, Insightful

      BT will wait until Phorm renames itself then BT will roll out the system. They will not pass up the opportunity to earn money for nothing after racking up idiotic amounts of losses because they "invested" in foreign (non-UK) businesses, and could not be bothered to update the UK network, choosing to flog that dead horse copper cable for all it's worth for another 20+ years.

      People are not bothered about Phorm and BT, hell, they aren't even bothered by BT's cr@ppy quality Internet and comparatively bad deal internet subscription.... they are still the biggest ISP in the UK. People are suckers for punishment instead of taking their money elsewhere.

      Phorm will be back!

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    3. Re:Not too good. by lobiusmoop · · Score: 2, Informative

      Um, no. The government has forced BT to implement local-loop unbundling to remove their monopoly on telecomunications in the UK.

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    4. Re:Not too good. by compro01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      They still own the infrastructure, LLU just requires them to lease it to whoever is interested.

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  7. Re:Not BitTorrent by Nossie · · Score: 2, Funny

    awwwwwwww go throw your toys out the pram

    BT has been around since the 1980's and operates in over 170 countries....

    I think that beats bit torrent...

    guys, please stop calling it BP, for most of the world BP is Brooklyn Philharmonic

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  8. I thought it was just on hold by AnalPerfume · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This "focusing revenues" sounds a lot like an equation which didn't work out well for Phorm.

    On one had is the money they "could" make by introducing it by adverts, on the other is the potential number of existing customers who will jump to another ISP added to the number of potential customers not even looking at BT as an option when switching from their ISP. Their current subscribers direct debits are guaranteed income with most subscribers not bothering to look around. Not to mention dealing with Phorm gives you the badge of a pariah.

    They could be right, in that it's more profitable to drop Phorm. That said, I'm not sure they dropped it permanently. They seem to have bought into the DPI advert injection model, so no doubt they will only put it into the "let's get back to that after the broohaha has calmed down" box before being reintroduced a couple of years from now under a different name with lessons learned about "how not to get caught". They may still face further legal / political fallout over what they've done to date with Phorm, so dropping Phorm may help mitigate any sanctions.

    For those who are currently with BT and have reconsidered moving away after this announcement I say "watch this space, BT have proven themselves perfectly willing to fuck their customers over once, they will do it again". BT think they have done no wrong. They can't be trusted. They avoided police action in the UK, they may yet avoid other punishment, but consumers CAN punish them.

  9. Re:Not BitTorrent by dintech · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Moreover, BT the (global) telecommunications company has used this brand long before BitTorrent existed. Might I suggest he stops calling BitTorrent BT to avoid himself getting confussed?

    Also, AT&T don't call themselves American Telephone & Telegraph Company in all their advertising literature and billing, do they? Perhaps for the hell of it he could stop referring to them as AT&T because he might also easily confuse their name with AT&T.

    Alternatively, he could just use wikipedia's disambiguation before posting silly requests.

  10. Re:Not BitTorrent by andyh3930 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I often confuse AT&T with running my old modem in test mode

  11. TalkTalk (inc Tiscali) have dropped it as well. by Maddog+Batty · · Score: 2, Informative
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  12. Re:Vote with your wallet by smoker2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Be is part of O2 not the other way around. And you can have a cancellation free contract with Be, you just pay a set up fee. You also get a free fixed IP address, free modem and up to 24 Mbit ADSL2. All for £17.50/month with no usage cap.