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Shuttleworth's Take On GNOME 3.0, Coordination with Debian
suka writes "In a fresh interview with derStandard.at, Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth talks about GNOME 3.0 — its strengths, but also about what he thinks is missing. He also mentions ongoing talks for a common meta-release-cycle with Debian which could delay the next LTS."
Didn't someone tell him ? Google Chrome OS is dumping Gnome and KDE because they're clusterfucks.
The chance of gnome going anywhere past 2010 is pretty much zero.
Or, GNOME 3.0 could just be one big dialog box which says "You are too fucking stupid to use a computer", and it switches you computer off when you press the OK button. Except that would probably fail due to some bug.
I guess I will be sticking with several gnome terminal windows, except gnome terminal will get removed, so back to xterm.
I say that IMO KDE4 was the biggest FOSS failure regarding management, planning, and development ever. It is at least the biggest cluster-f* of failure I can remember of. After such a text book example of how to destroy a project, I doubt anyone else will repeat it.
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The KDE 4 release - according to... myself
A bunch of devs decided to rewrite code, for the sake or rewriting. Much more code than they could churn. Users did not care, many other devs did not care as well. They literally walked into the 'tar pit'. So taken by group think they thought the more people we suck in, the faster we may find our way out of this tar pit.
So they decided to "trick" users into using it by calling this particular SVN checkout of "4.0". They knew it would get pushed into users due to the expected meaning of a ".0" release. At the same that they defend themselves saying that it was implied to be work in progress, they admit that the move was to get testers to it, as otherwise no one seemed interested.
KDE maintainers in many distros -probably also taken by 'group thinking'- decided that indeed, the greater the amount of people we inflict this pain, the faster we'll get out of this tar pit. And KDE4 was trickled down onto users.
I have no respect for people saying that a line in release notes was the only thing that was missing. KDE was in a tar pit. It still is, and no "line in the release notes" would have changed that.
Users did not want KDE4 code. They wanted the 3.5 branch, but that was being killed, with many bugs being closed in 3.5 with the excuse of it being "unmaintained" (yes, there was a maintenance release but that was actually much *later*, when some devs realized the size of the kde4 problem).
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The only problem in this group thinking was the piece where they believed that (1) users did not have anywhere else to go; (2) that the Desktop world would keep still in the 3 years that it took them to rewrite existing code. The desktop environment that used to have 70% of user preference (Linux Journal pools) is now a bleeb in Gnome's radar.
Insightfull? Just STFU. KDE 4.0 was CLEARLY labeled as "WILL EAT YOUR CHILDREN" everywhere, except for in the release notes which someone screwed up. Anyway, since when, exactly, is an upstream project responsible for what a downstream project, in this case the distribution your installing on your system, chose to include or not? How is it the KDE projects fault that various distributors apparently did not read ANYTHING but the release notes, and apparently did NO testing whatsoever that would have revealed that 4.0 wasn't for end users, and thus should have been avoided? Hmmm? Go back to under your bridge.
GNOME and KDE are clusterfucks, this is why I use Fluxbox. Fluxbox is much less of a clusterfuck by being much less of DE. It is a real shame that the UNIX world standardized on X and now they seem to be standardizing on GNOME.
Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that doesn't work!
GENERATION 25: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig on any forum and add 1 to the generation.
... and it will still be better than Windows.
Here, I'll say it for you. They're idiots. They may have worth, as manual labor, as performers of some sort (probably not very good ones), or if you're one of those people who think humans have value in themselves. But they're still idiots.
(Posting anonymously because many idiots have lawyers and I don't want a class action suit)
you're patient. I left them after upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04. I thought if teh Ubuntu crowd are just going to emulate windows bugware on the desktop it is not for me. I started using Debian and haven't looked back, or lost any data (thanks Ubuntu you pile of data-eating shit)
i used to have ubuntu running on a laptop but unfortunately had to dump it. it's reall not worth the effort.
my wifer has very simple requirements: documents, email, instant messaging and skype.
What a nightmare to get those working on ubuntu 9.04 on a T60.
Skype with Pulse audio is a mess. Video drivers are a mess...
I ended asking myself, why bother????
i love linux but LINUX will fail because there are 100001 distributions but nobody cares to build one in conjuction with hardware that is fully tested and offers a great experience to the consumer. This is what Apple does and nobody else understands!