Slashdot Mirror


Building a 10 TB Array For Around $1,000

As storage hardware costs continue to plummet, the folks over at Tom's Hardware have decided to throw together their version of the "Über RAID Array." While the array still doesn't stack up against SSDs for access time, a large array is capable of higher throughput via striping. Unfortunately, the amount of work required to assemble a setup like this seems to make it too much trouble for anything but a fun experiment. "Most people probably don't want to install more than a few hard drives into their PC, as it requires a massive case with sufficient ventilation as well as a solid power supply. We don't consider this project to be something enthusiasts should necessarily reproduce. Instead, we set out to analyze what level of storage performance you'd get if you were to spend the same money as on an enthusiast processor, such as a $1,000 Core i7-975 Extreme. For the same cost, you could assemble 12 1 TB Samsung Spinpoint F1 hard drives. Of course, you still need a suitable multi-port controller, which is why we selected Areca's ARC-1680iX-20."

12 of 227 comments (clear)

  1. Why This Article Is Stupid by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One: The title is a borderline lie. Yes, you can buy 12x 1TB drives for about a grand. But if I'm going to build an array and bench mark it and constantly compare it to buying a Core i7-975 Extreme, the drives alone don't do me any good! (And I love how you continually reiterate with statements like "The Idea: Massive Hard Drive Storage Within a $1,000 Budget")

    Two: Said controller does not exist. They listed the controller as ARC-1680ix-20. Areca makes no such controller. They make an 8, 12, 16, 24 but no 20 unless they've got some advanced product unlisted anywhere.

    Three: Said controller is going to easily run you another grand. And I'm certain most controllers that accomplish what you're asking are pretty damned expensive and they will have a bigger impact than the drives on your results.

    Four: You don't compare this hardware setup with any other setup. Build the "Uber RAID Array" you claim. Uber compared to what, precisely? How does a cheap Adaptac compare? Are you sure there's not a better controller for less money?

    All you showed was that we increase our throughput and reduce our access times with RAID 0 & 5 compared to a single drive. So? Isn't that what's supposed to happen? Oh, and you split it across seven pages like Tom's Hardware loves to do. And I can't click print to read the article uninterrupted anymore without logging in. And those Kontera ads that pop up whenever I accidentally cross them with my mouse to click your next page links, god I love those with all my heart.

    So feel free to correct me but we are left with a marketing advertisement for an Areca product that doesn't even exist and a notice that storage just keeps getting cheaper. Did I miss anything?

    --
    My work here is dung.
    1. Re:Why This Article Is Stupid by jo42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They need to keep 'publishing' something to justify revenue from their advertisers. Us schmucks in the IT trenches know better than to take the stuff they write without a bag of road salt. A storage array of that size is going to need at least two redundant power supplies and a real RAID card with battery backup and proven track record -- unless you want a solid guaranty to loose that amount of data at some point in the near future.

    2. Re:Why This Article Is Stupid by T+Murphy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two: Said controller does not exist. They listed the controller as ARC-1680ix-20. Areca makes no such controller. They make an 8, 12, 16, 24 but no 20 unless they've got some advanced product unlisted anywhere.

      He glued the 8 and the 12 together. Duh.

    3. Re:Why This Article Is Stupid by TheMMaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I actually did something similar around a year ago. 12 x 750Gb of diskspace including disks, controllers, system and everything for around 2000 dollars. It uses Linux softraid but I still get an easy 400MegaBYTE/s from it. I have some pictures here:

      http://www.tmm.cx/~hp/new_server

      Tom's hardware's idea is very late to the party ;)

      --
      Fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity
    4. Re:Why This Article Is Stupid by rbrausse · · Score: 4, Funny

      glue? are you some MBA in disguise? _real_ men use duct tape :)

  2. *gag* by scubamage · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sorry, I saw Areca and I threw up in my mouth a little. Their controllers are terrible, and gave our company nothing but trouble in the short amount of time we used them in the past. Those that are still out in the field (sold to customers and have service contracts) are a constant nuisance.

  3. Misleading headline by supercell · · Score: 5, Informative

    This headline is very misleading. Sure you can buy 12x1TB drives for just under a grand, but you won't have anything to connect them to, as the controller itself is another $1100. Another eye-catching headline to get click through's, that' just wrong. Sad.

    1. Re:Misleading headline by gweihir · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but you won't have anything to connect them to, as the controller itself is another $1100.

      You don't need that. Get a port with enoigh SATA ports on PCI-E and add more ports per cheap PCI-E controller. Then use Linux software RAID. I did this for several research data servers and this is quite enough to saturate GbE unless you have a lot of small accesses.

      --
      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  4. We do this now by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We needed a solution for backups. Performance is therefore not important, just reliability, storage space, and price.

    I reviewed a number of solutions with acronyms like JBOD, with prices that weren't cheap... I ended up going to the local PC shop and getting a fairly generic MOBO with 6 SATA plugs, and a SATA daughter card (for another 4 ports) running CentOS 5. The price dropped from thousands of dollars to hundreds, and took me a full workday to get set up.

    It's currently got 8 drives in it, cost a little over the thousand quoted in TFA, and is very conveniently obtained. It has a script that backs up everything nightly, and we have some external USB HDDs that we use for archival monthly backups.

    The drives are all redundant, backups are done automatically, and it works quite well for our needs. It's near zero administration after initial setup.

    --
    I have no problem with your religion until you decide it's reason to deprive others of the truth.
  5. How does the home user back this up? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok, so let's say you built one of these monsters. Or you rolled your own with linux and a bunch of drives.... How would a home user, back this up? They've got every picture/movie/mp3/resume/recipe etc.. that they've ever owned on it.

    • Blu-Ray DVD? Those have a capacity of 50GB
    • An old LTO-3 drive from eBay. They have a native (no compression) of about 400GB. So you'd still need 4-5tapes for all your data. Though this will cost you over a grand. Plus you'll need to buy a LVD external SCSI adapter.
    • Online/internet backup? Backup and restore times would be brutal.

    Anybody got any reasonable ideas?

    1. Re:How does the home user back this up? by BiggestPOS · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Build an identical one and keep it far enough away that you need to feel safe? Ideally at least a few blocks away, sync them over a short-haul wireless link. (encrypted of course!) and take the same precautions as you would with anything else?

      Oh yeah don't do a flat fire store, make it a SVN repository of course.

      --
      What, me worry?
  6. What about the electricity? by btempleton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Such a RAID is for an always-on server. Expect about 8 watts per drive after power supply inefficiencies. So 12 drives, around 100 watts. So 870 kwh in a year.

    On California Tier 3 pricing at 31 cents/kwh, 12 drives costs $270 of electricity per year, or around $800 in the 3 year lifetime of the drives.

    In other words, about the same price as the drives themselves. Do the 2TB drives draw more power than the 1TB? I have not looked. If they are similar, then 6x2TB plus 3 years of 50 watts is actually the same price as 12x1TB plus 3 years of 100 watts, but I don't think they are exactly the same power.

    My real point is, that when doing the cost of a RAID like this, you do need to consider the electricity. Add 30% to the cost of the electricity for cooling if this is to have AC, at least in many areas. And the cost of the electricity for the RAID controller etc. These factors would also be considered in comparison to a SSD, though of course 10TB of SSD is still too expensive.

    --
    Has it been over a year since you last donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation