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Repulsive Force Discovered In Light

Aurispector writes in with news that the Yale team that recently discovered an attractive force between two light beams in waveguides has now found a corresponding repulsive force. "'This completes the picture,' [team lead Hong] Tang said. 'We've shown that this is indeed a bipolar light force with both an attractive and repulsive component.' The attractive and repulsive light forces Tang's team discovered are separate from the force created by light's radiation pressure, which pushes against an object as light shines on it. Instead, they push out or pull in sideways from the direction the light travels. Previously, the engineers used the attractive force they discovered to move components on the silicon chip in one direction, such as pulling on a nanoscale switch to open it, but were unable to push it in the opposite direction. Using both forces means they can now have complete control and can manipulate components in both directions. 'We've demonstrated that these are tunable forces we can engineer,' Tang said."

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  1. Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sweet! Next up, how lightsabers don't work.

    1. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Informative

      I always thought lightsabers don't work so much on the notion of light as the convergence of energy and solid matter where energy becomes matter and matter becomes energy explaining why lightsabers cast a shadow and why training lightsabers don't cut. (And also why there are light bridges that are mentioned but never seen in star wars.) It just happens that light is given off in this mashup of state changes.

    2. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by TiberSeptm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I always assumed it was a misnomer and they were just very skillfully manipulated plasma devices. We already have the technology to create "plasma windows" that can hold back atmosphere against a vacuum and plasma torches than can cut through cowboynelium. Why not bridges and swords of the highly charged fun-stuff?

    3. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, they cast a shadow because the actors are really holding flash gun handles with white sticks in them, and the blades are rotoscoped on later. Yup, they were just too lazy to get rid of the shadows/film at angles to avoid them.

    4. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Funny

      Because you can't "block" other lightsabers based on such technology. I recall seeing one lightsaber video where the humor of the video was based on that notion. They were successful in creating an effective lightsaber in that it had a definite end point and would cut through anything, but when they attempted to cross swords, they just passed through one another... and then one of the people cut through the other one with the lightsaber he had. You can probably find it on youtube or on theforce.net somewhere...

    5. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Sensible+Clod · · Score: 4, Funny

      Oh, really? I thought lightsabers don't work because of the impossibility of handheld gigawatt nuke reactors to control the several tesla magnetic field to confine the plasma at one meter wirelessly.

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    6. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought they were really just a MADE-UP THING which we DON'T KNOW HOW IT COULD WORK!

      Ah well, so much for reality vs. fantasy...

    7. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by nessus42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They were successful in creating an effective lightsaber in that it had a definite end point and would cut through anything, but when they attempted to cross swords, they just passed through one another... and then one of the people cut through the other one with the lightsaber he had. You can probably find it on youtube or on theforce.net somewhere...

      Indeed you can find it on YouTube. Here it is:

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsZNiCSCLXw

      |>ouglas

    8. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by LKM · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't cross the swords! It would lead to all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

    9. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by icebike · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or perhaps they started to remove than and said, you know what, let's leave them in, and let the slashdot crowd try to explain the technology. Its not their job to fill in every detail of every imaginary technology.

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    10. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by roger_pasky · · Score: 2, Funny

      Flash gun handles with white sticks in them... Yeah, right... and now you'll tell me tooth fairy does not exist.

      Thanks God we can still trust Santa Claus. Maybe next Christmas I'll ask for a real lightsaber with this technology.

    11. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Zediker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Considering the powerful magnetic fields involved in order to contain the "plasma blade" and due to the way similar poles repel eachother, I dont see why plasma-based "light sabres" couldnt block one-another, since it would all be magnetic field interactions. The only downside is that this would likely cause the plasma-blade part of the device to fail somehow, unless there was some sort of stability mechanism to counter the other blades magnetic interference. Otherwise you'd end up with something like the Schwartz battle in Space Balls. This also doesnt go into the folly that your handle-section would be likely pulled right into your enemies blade-section from 20+ feet away...

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    12. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Nickbou · · Score: 2

      Don't cross the swords! It would lead to all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.

      Yeah, yeah, total protonic reversal. Please, this is not my first rodeo.

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    13. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by superdana · · Score: 4, Funny

      I always assumed it was a movie. ;)

    14. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by Skreems · · Score: 2, Informative

      I swear I read somewhere when I was much younger that in the originals they actually had blades covered in colored glass beads, and blasted extremely bright stage lighting at them during the fight scenes. That's why Darth Vader shines like Yul Bryner's head during the fight scenes, but not so much other times.

      Might have been just the first movie, since the later ones had them using the things in darker settings as well.

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    15. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by steelfood · · Score: 2, Funny

      Tell that to the 500,000 Jedi currently living in the former British colonies.

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    16. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by DinDaddy · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are correct. For the first film, they were octagonal blades with rotating motors and scotchlite paint, which reflected light back to the camera from a large light shooting from just behind it.

      The effect was weak (see Vader's as he is walking towards the closing blast doors before they escape the deathstar) so they ended up animating over it in almost all the shots.

      The rotation motor is the reason Obi-wan's saber has a white electric cord coming out of the hilt and going into his sleeve in the shot where he first energies it for his duel. Something I am at a loss to explain why they would not have digitally removed in one of the more recent editions. You can also see dust and chips from the impacts in the closeups during their duel.

    17. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! by davester666 · · Score: 2, Funny

      They just discovered this?

      Lots of people wake up in the morning after a night at the bar, and get repulsed when the light turns on.

      It's been happening for a very long time.

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  2. This is why by masmullin · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ahhh finally a scientific explanation of why girls are repulsed by me! Its not my lude jokes... its light!

    1. Re:This is why by gardyloo · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, it's your spelling.

    2. Re:This is why by compro01 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Going around assuming lewdness where none exists can get you into big trouble.

      In the US, it gets you elected to congress.

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  3. Sounds familiar.... by OakDragon · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a bipolar light force with both an attractive and repulsive component...

    Just like my ex-girlfriend!

    1. Re:Sounds familiar.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...a bipolar light force with both an attractive and repulsive component...

      Just like my ex-girlfriend!

      Yeah mine ex-girlfriend too! Fucked in the head but really hot!

      You're doing it wrong.

  4. Now all we need by spacefiddle · · Score: 2, Funny

    is for an alcoholic millionaire to cram it into a suit of armor!

  5. Finally... by mldi · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... an explanation as to why so many WoW geeks shriek when they leave their parents'.... errrmmm.... their basements during the day.

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  6. Yup. Been there, done that. by sootman · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Repulsive Force Discovered In Light"--well DUH. Anyone who's ever been in a strip club at closing time has witnessed this phenomenon.

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  7. Angular momentum by TiberSeptm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Huh, I had always wondered how to resolve conservation of light's angular momentum during destructive interference of collinear laser pulses consisting of phtons of the same "handedness." I wonder if this can be used to explain that.

    1. Re:Angular momentum by TiberSeptm · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry about the double post, but I was reading an old paper on the subject. Light has a lower angular momentum inside an dialectric than in air or vaccum. This means that it imparts a force upon entering a dialectric and upon exiting a dialectric. If it is combined out of phase within the dialectic, then destructive interference will mean that the entering and exiting force imparted by the light beams will be out of balance (as the intensity of the exiting beam will be lower without any radiation-pressure type interactions being required) and there will be a net repulsive force. I wonder if this is the same thing as what they are seeing in the article.

    2. Re:Angular momentum by Angstroem · · Score: 4, Funny

      I had always wondered how to resolve conservation of light's angular momentum during destructive interference of collinear laser pulses consisting of ph[o]tons of the same "handedness."

      Bingo, Sir.

    3. Re:Angular momentum by Digital+Vomit · · Score: 2, Funny

      I had always wondered how to resolve conservation of light's angular momentum during destructive interference of collinear laser pulses consisting of phtons of the same "handedness."

      Ummm...yeah...me, too...

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  8. Re:Deflector and tractor fields? by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Anything, as long as you divert enough power to the deflector dish.

  9. Nice. But. by terbo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While discovering new properties of old phenomena is interesting,
    does anyone ever question the 'bravado' of the wording of such
    discoveries?

    Does it inhibit later discoveries, in creating artificial limitations
    through language and subsequently expectation?

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    1. Re:Nice. But. by Hadlock · · Score: 2, Funny

      Everyone knows carriage returns were supplanted by carrier returns with the advent of aircraft carriers. They're looking at revising the term as Shuttle Return when the Space Shuttle Program is finally Shuttered.

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    2. Re:Nice. But. by domatic · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably not. Things are worded this way to explain them to laymen. Physicists are going to describe these phenomena with systems of equations and words and the equations will suggest deeper intuitive meaning to those used to working with them.

  10. Force source? by aeve · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What the crap is an article about a newly found force that doesn't explain at least a theory as to the source of the force? Is it magnetic?

    1. Re:Force source? by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Funny

      What the crap is an article about a newly found force that doesn't explain at least a theory as to the source of the force? Is it magnetic?

            Don't worry. I'm sure some physicist somewhere will soon invent a particle to explain it.

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    2. Re:Force source? by TiberSeptm · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here is a very good paper that might give you some insight.

      http://www.opticsinfobase.org/DirectPDFAccess/7CB1DC52-BDB9-137E-C347E05AD6F7E2D4_84895.pdf?da=1&id=84895&seq=0&CFID=48237375&CFTOKEN=15548595

      "Angular momentum of circularly polarized light in dielectric media"

    3. Re:Force source? by aurispector · · Score: 2, Funny

      After reading most of the posts, I began hoping that I had submitted an article to which NOBODY would make a serious comment. You went and ruined it, you bastard.

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  11. Maybe with metamaterials. by TiberSeptm · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Possibly, but this looks like the effect of light beams interacting inside of a target dialectric combined with the differences in light's angular momentum at the different speeds of c inside and outside the target. Aside from also cooking whatever you wanted to tractor, you might be able to accomplish this with very powerful laser pulses and "cloaking" metamaterials. Since the metamaterials bend the relevent light frequencey around a target you may be able to exert the force on the material, use a vastly powerful laser pulse, and not cook the target. This could impart enough force to be useful and could be used to maintain a cloud of such objects over vast distances using a web of laser pulses pushing and pulling the disparate objects into a desired position. Kind of a neat idea and a good intuitive leap to suggest tractor beams

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12961080/

    1. Re:Maybe with metamaterials. by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude... Who are you?

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  12. New lightbulb from GE! by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now emits 100% attractive light. That's twice as much as the next leading brand!

  13. So Earth Finally Discovers It! by TheWanderingHermit · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So Earth finally discovers the repulsive force from the ninth light ray that they've known about on the dying planet of Barsoom for millennia. Does that mean that soon we can have navies of huge floating ships like the Kingdom of Helium does? Or that soon we'll be able to see the two colors they know about on Barsoom that we've never seen on Earth?

  14. I work IT. by eosp · · Score: 3, Funny

    I already knew that light repelled me.

  15. Cockroaches... by carpefishus · · Score: 3, Funny

    This was previously demonstrated by cockroaches.

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  16. Observation of distant objects.... by zekt · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As I understand it, current thinking is that light bends because of gravity, and this is how distant planets and other distant objects are found.

    Could it be that it is, instead, is just light being pulled or pushed against something that is being observed, rather than an observation of the gravity that the body has?
    The next effect is the same I guess.

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  17. Re:and by slider2800 · · Score: 2, Funny

    *kzzzt* ...and are suddenly silenced.

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  18. Re:Psssssssshhhhhhh!!!!!! Jusssst GREAT... by davidsyes · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now, data (or Data) can join the dark side, and display a tension-deficit disorder

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  19. Doesn't this stuff excite you? by generic.individual · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There are a lot of jokes as replies, I assume partially because the summary sets them up so well and partially because it is rather dense subject matter. But doesn't this stuff excite you? Years ago a friend and I used to talk about how there should be a way to make computers out of light and we should just try for that, because, well, there isn't much faster. Articles like this mean its closer to reality. Even if it never happens in my life time it still excites me to know we are headed there.

    I am sure some physicist is now going to tell me how it's actually better to use some other quantum something for computing and how I don't understand light and subatomic particles/waves/strings/finnegans. I know I don't. I just like the idea of light computers.

  20. How does this fit into the Standard Model? Nicely. by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting
    When light shines through a diffraction grating and spreads out into beams going right and left, we don't need to talk about some strange new "force" that pushed the rightward beams to the right and the leftward beams to the left, since it's still a manifestation of electromagnetism. But specifically quantum electrodynamics, not classical electromagnetism which isn't good at handling this stuff.

    In this case, the fundamental reality is, of course, that each photon splits up at the grating and its wave function takes all paths- interfering with itself everywhere in space. When the photon is discovered hitting a screen, it will strike in a place that reveals the least amount of information about the path it actually took, and there will be many such places, called "interference maxima". (It probably won't land in a place that makes it obvious how it got there- such places are interference minima.)

    The Casimir force is another "force" like this. Underneath it's still quantum electrodynamics.

    If you find this stuff interesting you should read Feynman's QED... basically Quantum Electrodynamics For Dummies. What you'll find is interesting:
    • Light can go faster than light or slower than light- but only briefly
    • Light really doesn't care about surfaces between air and water and glass or whatever
    • Light doesn't really go in straight lines, that's just sort of how things turn out

    These guys are sending beams of IR photons down a channel that is 220nm x 220nm, smaller than their wavelength. So transverse wave motion isn't a consideration at all... the light can barely fit in there and its wavefunction inside has no longitudinal component. I think it can be totally described with two scalar functions along the waveguide. The photons have apparently been through a beamsplitter or something and are being recombined out of phase. It's too bad the article doesn't provide any further details on how the photons were polarized (circular, linear, what?) or how the quantum interference between the two photon states results in transverse forces on the waveguide.

  21. How Repulsive. by ryanvm · · Score: 2, Funny

    Ugh. That is so digusting.