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Windows 7 Clean Install Only In Europe
jbeale53 writes "It seems that to install Windows 7 in Europe, you'll have to wipe the system and start over. There will be no ability to upgrade. From the article, 'The unfortunate side effect has been caused by Microsoft's decision to avoid any further EU censure on Windows 7 by removing Internet Explorer 8 from the OS. Because Internet Explorer is so deeply integrated within Vista, it's not currently possible to perform an upgrade that removes IE.' Why would Microsoft cripple it this way? Just to try and point fingers at the European Union? Because the EU didn't tell them to remove IE, they only told them to offer other browsers to be installed during setup."
Sigh. You're talking about XP, Vista resists the slow down a lot better.
And yes, you're going to be like oh noes Vista is slow from the start.
Shows what you know eh?
No Internet Explorer, no Windows Update.
No Windows Update, no patched system.
No patched system...won't you get infected with malware when you surf the web with Internet Explorer? Oh, wait...
Past tense.
Microsoft DOES NOT have a monopoly in the Operating System Space. (They really never did).
The only people alleging that they do is Apple and several Linux distros.
How odd is that. Monopoly proclaimed by the very people who's existence disproves the claim.
Sig Battery depleted. Reverting to safe mode.
Why not put yourself out of your misery and upgrade to Mac OS X?
This logic has wholly failed up to now, and you think your AC advice at the bottom of this discussion is going to suddenly cause an epiphany for people?
I am literally 3000 tokens away from the chaotic crossbow --Stephen
You are an idiot.
DURRR HUR HUR HUR man that has got to be the most original thing i have ever read on this board...
do us all a favor and die in a fire. slowly. kthx
My Vista install is pretty damn snappy...On a fast enough computer, Vista is just faster than XP on that same hardware.
PFFFFFFFFFF HAhahahahahHAHAHAHAHmwahHAHAHAHAHAHHAA! Fuckin' idiot. You don't fool us. Vista is shit and all but the most naive public have spoken. Fuck off, shill.
Vista and subsequent versions are shit. We'll be pirating XP for life, bitches. How does that feel, shill?
Savvy users of both Linux and XP know that tweeked XP is much snappier and far more convenient than tweeked Linux if both run the same features and don't do anything stupid.
If you were as 'savvy' as all that, you'd know that where UNIX, and Linux among them, starts up most of it's services before you even reach the graphical logon, Windows defers much until after the user logs on - which is why I can log on to KDE in about 5 secs, but it takes me almost a full minute to reach a workable desktop in Windows, because of all the things that have to start after authentication.
And convenience is a matter of what you are used to. To me a command line in a proper shell like ksh is far more convenient than an overloaded IDE or a word processor that has once again changed beyond recognition. I honestly don't understand how anyone can put up with Windows - to me it is a never ending pain to use - but we are all different, I suppose.
Anybody that "upgrades" a Windows operating system in place from one version to another is an idiot.
... and the malware becomes unmanageable.
Let's face it - anyone who tries to "use" Windows is an idiot.
People should reinstall their Windows from scratch at least once a year.
Make that "once a week" and you're close. Any less frequent than that and the successive patches to patches to patches become too much for the system to bear.
The successive software installs and uninstalls leave hanging dependencies that slow the system to even worse of a crawl than it was at first install.
The incompetence of the software writers is just made more and more obvious.
An "upgraded" system drags with it the legacy rootkits previously installed, and those cause issues even in the best case. In the worst case the malware and crudware bog down the system so much you're lucky to get any work done at all.
Any attempt to use Windows seriously is doomed to failure - look at every large-scale commercial roll out of Windows desktops and / or servers, and the problems are clear to all but the PHBs specifying the crapware...
A fresh install of XP on modern equipment is almost as snappy as Linux.
Not in this world!
After a year you're powering up and going for coffee while it "wakes up". After an "OS Upgrade" you don't dare power the thing off unless you're going on vacation for a week. Patch Tuesday has spawned "Team Building Wednesday".
Indeed. We are now at the point that the weight of malware renders Windows entirely useless in commercial ventures. Windows 7 is just XP made shinier - it's still the same old NT rubbish underneath...
"if you look at the news reports from yesterday (15/7/2009) you'll see that Amazon sold out of the pre-orders within hours for Home premium"
Why would people pre-order something that is going to totally wipe out their current desktop. I mean having to reinstall and configure your current apps and data must be a major hassle.
Windows 7 pre-orders big in Europe
Where was your BartPE / Linux LiveCD? If you can mount NTFS and the registry, you can remove pretty much anything you want on the partition.
WHISKEY. TANGO. FOXTROT.
How can you see that if your recovery process is booting another operating system then your operating system is a gigantic piece of shit? That's like your car dying on the interstate, and before you are willing to turn the key again, you have to have it towed to a shop for inspection.
BartPE is a big pile, because of the way Windows is architected. That leaves Linux. Why can't I recover Windows from Windows? For that matter, why doesn't Microsoft give me enough tools to recover their operating system? Any linux distribution certainly does.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You get what you pay for.
See the stories higher up on how to maintain/upgrade/move a windows install. From a Mac users point of view: Why do you guys live through continual nightmares like that, purposely?
You can argue that it's cheaper, but only if your time is worthless.
There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
IF a maker of a product is telling you something that they probably would rather not be true, you can probably take it on faith that they are telling the truth. Occam's Razor applies here.
Good-bye