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Study Finds Delinquent Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious"

According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime, you would too, at least if you are a boy. The 20-year study showed what every grandmother could tell you; children from poor families, with inadequate supervision and bad friends were more likely to end up in juvenile court. What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adult. "For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold," says study co-author Richard E. Tremblay.

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  1. Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Boys more likely to do what the other boys in their peer group are doing. Juvenile delinquents teach juveniles to be delinquents."

    Another amazing result by the Maximegallion Institute for Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious.

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  2. warning! by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This may be true: sticking the bad kids in with the good kids may improve the behavior of the bad kids. BUT BE WARNED! I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class.

    I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS! The teacher spent the whole time playing cop to stop the delinquents. Furthermore, sticking us in with them actually encouraged the good students to out-bad the bad students. It was a complete disaster.

    For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies. Society doesn't need, and will never get 100% genius-status for all students, anyway. Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.

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    1. Re:warning! by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly. The bad kids need to be identified as early as possible, and shunted off into a different program where they're prepared for careers as janitors and burger-flippers, and society doesn't waste any more time or money on them than necessary. Educational resources need to be saved for the kids where it'll do the most good.

    2. Re:warning! by locofungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but if you write kids off early and treat them as though they're useless criminals, then don't be surprised when they grow up to be useless criminals.

      It's worse than that. They might start of as useless criminals, but if they're going to go into a life of crime, three years at university^Wprison is about the best education they can get.

      Tim.

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    3. Re:warning! by DutchUncle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've seen the same thing from the other side, as a probationary teacher. Class settles down, trouble-maker walks in late and then continues being disruptive, and the rest of the class period is shot. Try telling the football or basketball coach that you're going to "mainstream" the team by including below-average members, rather than selecting the most talented for the appropriate sport. Then explain why we disrupt the intellectual side of the school instead.

  3. "No boys at all" by thirty-seven · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My grandfather used to say that "One boy is a boy, two boys are half a boy, and three boys are no boy at all." Meaning that when boys get together they have less good sense than one boy by himself does.

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  4. The group IQ of boys by Tangential · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've always maintained that the IQ of a group of boys is calculated by taking the lowest IQ in the group and dividing it by the number of boys in the group. When my son was growing up, he and his friends demonstrated this over and over. My parents maintain that when I was growing up that my friends and I did too. (They are still a little pissed about me and my friends building and testing a very, very small thermite bomb in the basement.)

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  5. So nothing causes anything else? by tylersoze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I love the correlationisnotcausation tag every single time an article on any study is posted. Correlation means nothing! Nothing causes anything! There is no order in the universe! It's all chaos! :)

    1. Re:So nothing causes anything else? by radtea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      correlationdoesnnotnecessarilymeancausation

      Indeed, which is why the vast majority of studies that get tagged by the moronic "correlationisnotcausation" involve some application of Mill's Methods and/or statistical and theoretical inference to demonstrate causation based on the observed correlations.

      What gets reported is the correlation, because reporters are even dumber than /. taggers, but the researchers generally have thought a little bit about elementary logical errors somewhere along the path of their experiment design.

      The tag is particularly idiotic when you consider that every correlation is caused by something, so the OP here is absolutely correct: if you really believe that there is no relationship whatsoever between correlation and causation, such that you can reflexively dismiss every reported correlation with this little snippet of nonsense, then you're pretty much committed to nothing being caused by anything.

      Tagging stories this way is completely vacuous. All it tells us is that you haven't read the study or considered whether the usual methods have been employed to properly infer causation from correlation. It would be as useful and relevant to tag all stories with "theskyisblue", which is true in one sense (although the sky happens to be overcast where I am right now) but is only true in a way that is a) known by everyone and b) adds nothing of value to the discussion.

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  6. Doesn't matter if the kids mimic each other or not by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you mix kids with too much variety in intelligence then you either teach at a level for the smart kids and leave the stupid kids behind because they can't possibly keep up or you teach at a level for the stupid kids and the smart kids get bored and quit learning.

    It's much better to split kids up into classes that are suited to their strengths and weaknesses rather than be PC and stick 'em all together.

  7. Re:Cognitive dissnonance, probably by vadim_t · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They know but they rationalize it.

    "I know beating up people is wrong, but he was a huge jerk and deserved it"
    "I know stealing is wrong, but Walmart has a huge amount of money and can afford the loss"
    "People of $nationality/$ethnicity are really intrinsically inferior, so it's ok to treat them like crap"
    "I know I committed a crime, but the harm done wasn't that great, so I shouldn't have been punished so harshly"

    People rarely admit outright that they did something wrong, with no ifs or buts. There's nearly always some reason they feel that justifies it, or at least makes it not so bad.

  8. Everything you need to know about young boys by Alzheimers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything you need to know about young boys, you can learn by reading Lord of the Flies.

  9. Common Sense by omb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    First, the parent is correct,

    Second, education should be about equality of opportunity, not equal achievement for all, that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled, to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.

    You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all, and MUCH WORSE, it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s (so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know). And as Obama said "lipstick on a pig" is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic, which is the assumption (WRONG) of the academic elites.

    In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents. The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".

    People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US, where the parents (are allowed to) oppose the authorities correcting children, and except for incomers from some parts of Europe, who stand to be expelled, the native Swiss would not think of it.

    The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely, and all adults expect to stand in "loco parentis" of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia, as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.

    Put very simply, you have very arrogantly lost your own way, and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.

    Your court system, and law, is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years.