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The NSA Wiretapping Story Nobody Wanted

CWmike writes "They sometimes call national security the third rail of politics. Touch it and, politically, you're dead. The cliché doesn't seem far off the mark after reading Mark Klein's new book, Wiring up the Big Brother Machine ... and Fighting It. It's an account of his experiences as the whistleblower who exposed a secret room at a Folsom Street facility in San Francisco that was apparently used to monitor the Internet communications of ordinary Americans. Amazingly, however, nobody wanted to hear his story. In his book he talks about meetings with reporters and privacy groups that went nowhere until a fateful January 20, 2006 meeting with Kevin Bankston of the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Bankston was preparing a lawsuit that he hoped would put a stop to the wiretap program, and Klein was just the kind of witness the EFF was looking for. He spoke with Robert McMillan for an interview."

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  1. PBS Nova did a show that mentioned Folsom by billmarrs · · Score: 5, Informative

    It was called "The Spy Factory".
    Here's a transcript (search for "Folsom" 4/5ths down the page):
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/transcripts/3602_spyfactory.html

  2. Re:I question a key point from TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    That was a lie promulgated by the Bush administration. The device copied _all_ communication that traveled through this facility, domestic and foreign. There is good evidence also that this wasn't the only place were AT&T, or other carriers, were imposing dragnet surveillance.

  3. Re:I question a key point from TFA by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You're right on both parts, essentially. I think they also were monitoring calls originating in the US that were made to foreign numbers they believed to have ties with terrorism, too, but honestly it's hard to really figure out what the truth is and was with so much fear-mongering and hyperbole going on.

    Oh, and the program itself wasn't really new, it's been around forever. Bush & Co. just tweaked the rules around a little bit -- a move that I think was less about invading the privacy of Americans (which they've been able to do for several decades now) and more a matter of removing a bottleneck. The whole secret wiretap deal has to be approved by a secret court, I think there's a 24 or 48 hour window in which they can start a wiretap and then seek approval by this secret court. Well, in the wake of 9/11, they were using this quite a bit, and I'm of the belief that they circumvented the court not because they wanted to be Big Brother but because they knew that most these wiretaps would NOT result in any information but felt that at the time it was best to cast as wide a net as possible, immediately, and later worry about narrowing things down from "possible" to "likely".

    The secret court, of course, only would be able to review so many requests for secret wiretaps at once, and if you're looking at a list of 1,000 possibles and you think 100 of them are pretty likely, let's say it would take a week for a court (and you) to go through and decide which of those 1,000 were the ones you wanted.. well, I believe the idea was simply to not worry about the time limit due to the huge volume and keep all the wiretaps in place until some sort of review could be done, rather than potentially miss out on valuable information because of a paperwork bottleneck.

    Not that I really care for the idea of secret courts or meetings or wiretaps or anything, but overblown fearmongering and fingerpointing pisses me off even more. Especially when it's hypocritical fingerpointing. It's not like the democrats in power were oblivious to what was going on (see also, criticism of the information on WMDs before the Iraq War from the democrats when in fact they had access and agreed with the intelligence reports at the time.. fucking i'll-have-my-cake-and-eat-it-too bullshit).

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  4. of course they didn't want it by dnwq · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think about it this way. The news is public, now. Do you see any frothing outrage, outside of a few fringe activist groups? Outside of Slashdot? No?

    There doesn't seem to be any real interest now, so there definitely wouldn't be any then, in the with-us-or-against-us environment in the years immediately after 9/11. So how would a newspaper or media outlet gain by breaking the story? It'll just instantly lose all its government contacts, but not gain any new readership. Why would anyone publish it?

  5. 'It's a paper's duty to print the news&raise h by D4C5CE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Klein: I really was panicking because [...] the government knew everything and probably knew my name, but I didn't have any publicity.
    IDGNS: The media merit a full chapter (entitled: 'Going Public vs. Media Chickens'). What happened there?
    Klein: [...] They were the first entity I'd given all the documents to. Then they talked to the government about it, and it turned out they were talking to not only the NSA director, but the director of national intelligence

    That much for the sad state of "the Fourth Estate, more important than them all" (Edmund Burke) ...

    It is a newspaper's duty to print the news and raise hell.

    Wilbur F. Storey, 1861

  6. Domestic traffic too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    From EFF.org

    The undisputed documents show that AT&T installed a fiberoptic splitter at its facility at 611 Folsom Street in San Francisco that makes copies of all emails, web browsing, and other Internet traffic to and from AT&T customers, and provides those copies to the NSA. This copying includes both domestic and international Internet activities of AT&T customers. As one expert observed, "this isn't a wiretap, it's a country-tap."

    Of course, we may never know all the details thanks to Bush, Obama and all the other assholes that voted for FISA2008:

    • Prohibits the individual states from investigating, sanctioning of, or requiring disclosure by complicit telecoms or other persons.
    • Protects telecommunications companies from lawsuits for "'past or future cooperation' with federal law enforcement authorities and will assist the intelligence community in determining the plans of terrorists."
  7. Re:Not even Barack Obama by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With regards to the back flip carried out by Obama when he became president (where he changed from opposing the wiretaps to supporting them)

    There was no such flip. Obama ALWAYS supported warrantless wiretaps. How do I know? He voted for telecoms immunity. He had some bullshit excuse about it, but no excuse is possible. Believing Obama was ever against those wiretaps is fucking stupid. Check the voting record, understand that you have been duped, and move on.

    Obama supported these wiretaps before becoming president:

    The law that Congress passed last summer, with the support of then-Sen. Barack Obama, authorized the wiretap program and sought to dismiss lawsuits against companies that had participated.

    Believing politicians' campaign promises only makes YOU an idiot. It says nothing about them.

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  8. Mis-information modded 'Informative'? by DJRumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually he voted against immunity for telecoms but the amendment failed (see the post below).

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/11/obama.netroots/index.html

    What's even more frightening is that they modded you informative when it's public record that he voted to strip the immunity provisions out although the amendment failed.

    Yes, he did vote for the larger bill with the amendments that basically put the warrant requirements back in for any American they may have eavesdropped on whether on US soil or abroad.