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Study Catches Birds Splitting Into Separate Species

webdoodle writes "A new study finds that a change in a single gene has sent two closely related bird populations on their way to becoming two distinct species. The study, published in the August issue of the American Naturalist, is one of only a few to investigate the specific genetic changes that drive two populations toward speciation."

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  1. no camera? by Swoopy · · Score: 1, Troll

    Where were the creationist "scientists" with cameras, catching scientific evidence of the "intelligent designer" at work?

    1. Re:no camera? by HiThere · · Score: 0, Troll

      He's invisible silly. You can't photograph his noodly appendage.

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      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  2. Re:The heading is misleading.... by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

    The problem for creationists and their ilk is given a rather sharp point by observations of this kind: granted the undoubted fact of micro-evolution, which has been observed in detail in the wild for decades, how can you possibly prevent speciation and macro-evolution from happening?

    Actually, the problem is for ilk like you (BTW, your terminology is the only reason I am replying and giving you this spanking).

    You act like micro evolution must lead to a macro evolution. This has never- ever- been proven and is nothing but a guess. That presents a problem for you who is asserting that a certain mechanic of a guess is true. In science, it is the person who makes the assertion- job to prove the assertion, not those who disbelieve it. In no other part of science can I say the sky is blue and require you to prove me wrong in order for it not to be true. Yet here we are with you thinking that someone else has to disprove your guess as to the order of things even though you have never witnessed it, have never recreated it, have never been able to test it but you want to assert it over and above anything else. And I'm not just talking of the differences between the current evolutionary theory and the bible, there are scientific theories the preclude speciation too like the Bubble theory of evolution. Yet you demand that your views are right until someone proves you wrong even though you have never proved your views correct.

    Do you know what that makes you? That makes you a religious nutcase and no different from the ilk you were attempting to ridicule. You are the pot calling the kettle black. As for preventing speciation from occurring, there is still quit a bit of jumps that need to be made in order to assume it will occur. For instance, we have manipulated breeds of dogs for almost as long as we have had a history with them and yet we haven't come up with a frog-dog or anything. Even farm animals like cows and horses have been through hundreds of generations of changes without creating a new pig-sheep species. Back to the dogs, I often get the asinine comment about a great Dane and a chihuahua. Of course this comes from a lack of knowledge that the current chihuahua breed is as small as it is because of arbitrary rules placed on it by the kennel clubs. They list them as needing to be under 9 pounds to compete in competition but do not have a size limit for the breed. Chihuahuas were originally around 40 lbs dogs that were used to hunt deer and deer like animals. It's entirely possible for a chihuahua and a Great Dane or St Bernard to successfully mate when you know the facts. And it is entirely possible for the smaller "teacup" breeds (not official breeds) to be breed back to the 40lbs or more dogs while remaining pure breeds.

    So get off your damn high horse, quit acting like speculation is fact, and present the shit as it actually is, a concept that fits our best explanations to date, not some empirically proven fact.

  3. Re:I don't understand by sumdumass · · Score: 0, Troll

    Actually, that isn't speciation as the traditional context of species is concerned. You have either been tricked into believing something from an agenda driven site or are just that ignorant and want to make the leap.

    All of the supposed speciation is backwards compatible in that breeding out the differences to produce a separate so called species can be breed back with only existing anomalies within the same new species. This indicates that speciation did not actually occur but the plant species or insect species was just taken to one extreme or another. You simply do not have a new species if you can create the old species with nothing but breeding techniques/decisions of the new species.