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brothke writes "A recent search on Amazon for travel guides returned over 30,000 results. Most of these are standard travel guides to popular tourist destinations which advise the reader to go to the typical tourist sites. The Geek Atlas: 128 Places Where Science and Technology Come Alive is a radically different travel guide. Rather than recommending the usual trite destinations, which are often glorified souvenir stores, the book takes the reader to places that make science real and exciting, and hopefully those who exit such places are more knowledgeable than when they went in." Read on for the rest of Ben's review. The Geek Atlas: 128 Places Where Science and Technology Come Alive author John Graham-Cumming pages 542 publisher O'Reilly Media rating 10/10 reviewer Ben Rothke ISBN 978-0596523206 summary A fascinating and enjoyable read Irrespective of its travel content, The Geek Atlas is a unique and fascinating read for the information and overview of its wide range of topics. If there is a fault in the book, it is with its title. When people see Geek Atlas, they might think that this is a book that takes the reader to boring and obscure places, which is the exact opposite of its intent.

Author John Graham-Cumming writes that you won't find tedious, third-rate museums, or a tacky plaque stuck to a wall stating that "Professor X slept here." Every place he recommends is meant to have real scientific, mathematical, or technological interest.

Each of the books 128 chapters is separated into 3 parts: a general introduction to the place with an emphasis on its scientific, mathematical or technological significance; a related technical subject covered in greater detail, and practical visiting information. So while you may not be able to make it to the Escher Museum (chapter 29) in The Hague, Netherlands; the information on how M.C. Escher used impossible shapes in which the chapter describes is a fascinating read on its own.

Graham-Cumming notes that a disappointing trend with science museums today is a tendency to emphasize the wow factor without really explaining the underlying science. He notes the following 3 attributes of such museums: a short name ending with an exclamation mark, a logo featuring pastel colors or a cuddle cartoon mascot, or an IMAX theater.

Why does the book specifically have 128 places listed? See chapter 58, for the National Museum of Computing in Bletchley, UK. Graham-Cumming notes that your average travel guide would have listed perhaps 100 or 125 places. 128 is a round binary number (10000000). Of course, those who are binary obsessed might wonder why this book is not titled 10000000 Places Where Science and Technology Come Alive.

The 128 places listed are for the most part divided equally between sites in Europe and the USA, with a few in the Far East and Russia. A complete listing of the sites is mapped on the books web site. Africa for some reason seems to be left out and perhaps a follow-up volume will fill that void. Of course, one could argue that Africa has had a minimal contribution to the world of science, mathematics and technology. Nigeria for example is famous for its 419 advance-fee fraud, but not its overabundance of contributors to physics.

For the US locations, there are locations for 25 states, with California being the biggest with 7 suggested places to visit. With that, it is surprising that the book lists the HP Garage, given that it is not open to the public and only serves as a shack to be photographed. Other places such as the US Navy Submarine Force Museum and MIT Museum are indeed more visit worthy.

The tours of some of the sites, like the HP Garage will take less than an hour or so (chapter 42 — Bunhill Fields Cemetery, London, UK), while others one can spend a half or full-day at the site.

While The Geek Atlas is touted as a travel guide, it is much more than that. Its 128 chapters are a wide-ranging overview of science and mathematics. Topics run the gamut from physics and pharmacology to transistors and optics. In fact, the book would make a superb syllabus for an introduction to science course. The plethora of subject covered, combined with its easy to read and absorbing style makes it a fantastic book for both those that are scientifically challenged, yet curious, and those that have a keen interest in the sciences.

The Geek Atlas is a fascinating and enjoyable read; in fact, it I found it hard to put down. Lets hope the author is working on a sequel with the next 256 additional places where science and technology come alive.

Ben Rothke is the author of Computer Security: 20 Things Every Employee Should Know.

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145 comments

  1. great, but... by Caue · · Score: 2, Funny

    should be titled "trips that you'll come back with the same number of condoms you left."

    1. Re:great, but... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 2, Funny

      Seriously, though, the best way to see a country is with a native girl at your side. Is there a book about how to hook up while traveling? That would be really useful.

      [insert obligatory joke about slashdotters needing a similar book for use while at home]

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    2. Re:great, but... by Caue · · Score: 0, Flamebait
      "dating for geeks"

      #1 tip: buy new clothes

      #2 tip: buy a new pair of glasses

      #3 tip: don't be a geek.

    3. Re:great, but... by value_added · · Score: 1

      Is there a book about how to hook up while traveling? That would be really useful.

      That would be something like this?

    4. Re:great, but... by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      #2 tip: buy a new pair of glasses

      I have better-than-20/20 vision, you insensitive clod!

      Oh, wait...

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    5. Re:great, but... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Seriously, though, the best way to see a country is with a native girl at your side.

      Sir, I plan to visit the states, would you recommend a Cheyenne girl over a Cherokee girl?

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    6. Re:great, but... by RockDoctor · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      should be titled "trips that you'll come back with the same number of condoms you left."

      Err, that would be all of them.
      Some of us don't have to worry about our children's deaths. Obviously you do have this worry.

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    7. Re:great, but... by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      What is your point with such a comment?

    8. Re:great, but... by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      insensitive clod is redundant.

    9. Re:great, but... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      What is your point with such a comment?

      To poke fun at the previous poster's assumption that "trips" are for the purpose of having sex, and at his assumptions that sex involves the risks of either pregnancy or disease. All of these assumptions are unstated and quite important, and none of them are universaly true, or even commonly true.

      Most people don't look at the assumptions in their worldview, and won't until challenged on those assumptions. From your puzzlement you may have found your worldview challenged, but can't understand why you feel uncomfortable. That makes the exercise worthwhile.

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    10. Re:great, but... by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      ok, now I get it.
      thanks for the clarification.

  2. The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte counter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Offering 256 cool places to visit.

  3. Great idea by interval1066 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hope the Stanford Linear Accelerator is in there, took a tour of that machine about two decades ago. Awesome place. The SPEAR experiment target machine alone was worth the price. 40 tons of delicate widgets and gizmos.

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    1. Re:Great idea by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I hope the Kennedy Space Center is, especially considering today's date. They have a Saturn V rocket (or did when I visited in the eighties), as well as an Apollo capsule, moon rocks, all sorts of incredibly interesting stuff. I never realized how HUGE that rocket was!

      Oh yeah, they fire off space shuttles there, too. Those are simply AMAZING. If you're up close (meaning a couple of miles away) the ground shakes. It's louder than a Pink Floyd concert.

    2. Re:Great idea by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 2, Informative

      For high-energy physics enthusiasts on the other side of the country, Cornell University also gives guided tours of their accelerator (actually a synchrotron). Did this a few years ago and it was wicked cool.

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    3. Re:Great idea by smaddox · · Score: 2, Informative

      While we are making suggestions:

      The Mirror Lab at The University of Arizona is absolutely amazing. I'm not sure if they do public tours or not (they gave us a tour for a graduate recruitment site visit), but it is definitely worth checking out if you are into astronomy/optics/engineering. When we were there, they were working on two 8.4 meter off-axis parabolic mirrors for a multiple mirror telescope. It's absolutely incredible how precise they can grind these mirrors down to when they are 8.4 meters in diameter.

    4. Re:Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The reality of anything has very little to do with the PR. The picture above the job applications at McDonald's rarely looks like the faces you see working there. And let's not get started on the pictures of the food compared to the reality :)

    5. Re:Great idea by srussia · · Score: 1

      I see your Kennedy Space Center (included BTW) and raise you a Baikonur Cosmodrome, which I'm planning to visit in October ! I hope to witness a Proton launch (exact date TBD) or at least see the rocket!

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    6. Re:Great idea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, their amps go up to twelve!

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    7. Re:Great idea by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      I'm rather disappointed that The Kansas Cosmosphere and Space Center isn't listed: there is NO other museum where you can see an authentic V1 and V2 under the same roof, let alone an SR-71, Apollo 13, plus more Russian gear than anyplace outside of Moscow.

    8. Re:Great idea by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You should see an SR-71 tale off; I was stationed at a base that had 9 of them. The thing rolls down the runway, does a wheelie, and takes off like a bottlerocket. It makes the Space Shuttle look slow.

    9. Re:Great idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kansas.... where is Kansas????????

    10. Re:Great idea by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      All of the 128 places are listed at http://www.geekatlas.com/page/places-1

      Wonder no more!

  4. Other "sightseeing" book by sshir · · Score: 5, Informative

    As far as "travel" books for geeks go, I would recommend "Infrastructure: A Field Guide to the Industrial Landscape" by Brian Hayes.

    The book is fantastic! Even the route you take to commute to work every day will suddenly become a sightseeing trip.

    Highly recommended for geeks and others who still posses a spark of curiosity.

    1. Re:Other "sightseeing" book by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Uh...sightseeing is for people to see beautiful things. The word "industrial" when used outside the context of Art and Artists is a dead giveaway. I guess you didn't get the memo.

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    2. Re:Other "sightseeing" book by sshir · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ha-ha-ha!

      While I always try to keep conversations civil, but I'm sorry, your message about "art and artists" is just, well, stupid.

      Just to make a point: are bridges part of infrastructure? Yes! (answering myself to simplify it for idiots)
      What about Millau Viaduct? Doesn't it look fantastic?! Isn't it beautiful?! Is it worth seeing?!

  5. A Night Sky For Star Search: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can be found in Samarqand.

    Yours In Tourism,
    K. Trout

  6. Geeklings by tedgyz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For young and budding geeks, wired lists 100 Geeky Places to Take Your Kids This Summer. I guess they weren't obsessed with rounding up to a power of 2. Come to think of it, it's been a long time since I wrote code that worried about optimizing usage of memory/disk space to such numbers.

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    1. Re:Geeklings by Hatta · · Score: 1

      For young and budding geeks, wired lists 100 Geeky Places to Take Your Kids This Summer. I guess they weren't obsessed with rounding up to a power of 2

      Dunno, maybe there are only 4 geeky places to take your kids?

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    2. Re:Geeklings by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      The did well to list The Cosmosphere, but I'm surprised they didn't mention The Salt Mine Museum just down the road, or Big Brutus over in the eastern part of the state.

  7. Museums or real science by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How does a tourist get to experience real science getting done? I went to Los Alamos and went to a few museums there. I felt talked down to at best, and at worst propagandized. All this while many of the countries top minds are doing amazing research just thousands of feet away.

    No, the only way to really see science is to have a personal connection with the investigators involved. Get a tour of their labs, sit in on a talk by a visiting professor, go to a poster session. I don't see how this book will help with any of that.

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    1. Re:Museums or real science by d0rp · · Score: 1

      I grew up in Los Alamos and I can agree that the museum there doesn't really offer a whole lot. There is an Atomic museum in Albuquerque (http://www.nuclearmuseum.org/) thats a bit more substantial.

      Of course working as a student at the lab (they hire a lot of college students for the summer) is the only real way to experience some of the more interesting stuff. They do fun tours and even field trips to places like the Trinity test site on occasion.

    2. Re:Museums or real science by fermion · · Score: 1
      I have been to the Los Alamos Musem and the recently reopened National Museum of Nuclear Science & History. I agree that both, in a way, talk down to the viewer. Most science museums, in fact most widely used science curriculum, is geared to the 10 year old. There is a fear of making things too complex. I will say the Los Alamos museum was more in depth in the science, while the National museum was more in depth with the artifacts.

      What i find really interesting is how you point is proven in the choice of the site. While the Trinity site is of great historical importance, it is a tourist site with little context outside of the twice a year tour. In terms of how science is done, something a geek might be more interested in rather than just an outcome, the musuems are better.

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    3. Re:Museums or real science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I make a regular pilgrimage every 5 years to see the McDonald Observatory in the Davis Mountains of West Texas. An extension of the University of Texas Austin, it features not only a tour of the large telescopes, and lectures on various aspects of astronomy in the visitor center (including daytime viewing of the sun displayed on the screen and accompanying lecture in the auditorium), but also has night time sky parties and lectures with the cap of the evening viewing distant objects in volunteer amateur astronomer's 'scopes.

      The daytime tours of the facilities are given by very knowledgeable people - in the case of our last trip, one of the astronomers who used the big telescopes - and regaled us with stories of various mishaps and technical nuances unique to the facilities. The facility also boasts the highest paved state road (78) in Texas.

      When I first started doing it - 15 years ago - there were maybe 30 people. Now there are hundreds of people on regular tour nights - and the observatory has tripled the size of the visitor center - and added a cafe.

      Well worth the trip. Bring a jacket though -- since the temperature drops 3 degrees per thousand feet - so at 6000 feet above sea level - that 80 degree night on the flat lands turns into 62 degrees on the mountain. (It is worth the price for admission just to get out of the South Texas heat)

    4. Re:Museums or real science by synth7 · · Score: 1

      The problem is the conversation on the tour winds up going like this:

      "Is this... uhhh... auto...erotica?"
      "No, no, there are no animatronics on this tour. This is the real thing!"

      Followed shortly thereafter by running and screaming. It's best to keep science and tours very far apart.

  8. I go on geek vacations by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A good fraction of my vacation trips are for educational reasons. I want to see places, museums. conventions where I can learn new things. Some of my friends think I am crazy to do this rather than to go vacationing for pure pleasure and relaxation.

    For example in April 2008 I went to central New Mexico to catch three main sites: the Trinity bomb site (open only two Saturdays a year because its inside a military base), the Socorro large radio telecope array (the staple of almost many scifi movies), and Roswell. Along the way I hit the Almogorov Space Museum (sadly declining), and the Albquerque Atomic and Ballooning museums. Los Alamos is also not far away.

    My next goal is to catch one of the seven remaining shuttle launches. I better get organized because they end soon.

    1. Re:I go on geek vacations by Em+Emalb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And I am the exact opposite. I've been in the IT industry (not coding, but routing/switching/WAN/LAN/Security) since the early 90s. When I go on vacation, I want to get as far a way from anything tech-related as I can.

      I already spend enough of my life doing IT/technology related things, why would I want to do more of it on my vacation?

      Obviously, to each their own, but I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the need for this book.

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    2. Re:I go on geek vacations by jhp64 · · Score: 4, Funny

      the Socorro large radio telecope array (the staple of almost many scifi movies)

      Actually, it's only been in nearly some scifi movies.

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    3. Re:I go on geek vacations by 99luftballon · · Score: 1

      You're not alone.

      Apparently Bill Gates had a screaming row with Paul Allen after Allen bunked off with two workmates for 24 hours so they could get down to watch the first shuttle launch.

    4. Re:I go on geek vacations by fprintf · · Score: 1

      I would say this is insightful because your profession probably is just a job now. If you truly love something, you'd likely not want to do anything *but* that activity. There are many people that love what they do for a living so much that their personal lives can be seen as an extension of their professional lives. There are other, like myself and possibly you, where the profession is a way to earn a living, but the really fun stuff begins when not doing work.

      I am a marketing manager for a living. When I get home I love to spend time learning new programming languages and playing with various aspects of my various computer systems. If I had to do that for a job, I'd probably hate it and want to do marketing for fun.

      When I was a teenager I used to teach sailing. When I was not working, on my days off, I was sailing. People used to ask me what I was doing at work on my day off, and I'd respond 'when I am on the clock I am teaching others how to sail, which is fun. When I am off the clock I am sailing myself, which is always more fun'. I couldn't get enough. Maybe technology has a similar attraction to the GP.

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    5. Re:I go on geek vacations by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      I have a job that I love and identify with, but when I travel and during my leisure time, etc., I still feel it is important to explore other aspects of life. Overspecialization is really a kind of inhibition based on fear of the unknown and the different, and it leads to a kind of diminishment of the self. I still think it is wiser to cultivate all aspects of yourself - the aesthetic, the athletic, the emotional, as well as the intellectual - and to explore facets of the world the do not resemble that of your day-to-day life whatsoever.

    6. Re:I go on geek vacations by vlm · · Score: 1

      Some of my friends think I am crazy to do this rather than to go vacationing for pure pleasure and relaxation.

      How could anyone not find Socorro pleasant and relaxing? What is tense and stressful about a way cool machine run by way cool people in the way cool desert?

      On the other hand, trinity, now that is a PITA, as I recall they want to do all kinds of crazy security screening, annoying scheduling, etc. If it were not for knowing the history of what happened, it would be right up there in excitement with visiting an IRS office.

      However, its geology geeks that really have all the fun... White Sands, Carlsbad Caverns... Ft Union Monument is not really geologic buts its old and has alot of rocks... And that is just one states worth of fun.

      Now what I'd like to know is where (anywhere at any site) can I find tours that don't talk down to me as if I'm a totally unprepared and slightly retarded public school educated 5th grader... That is the tiring part, like when I visit a cave and have to listen to "uh... like... rocks are like, hard, you know? Now all you little kids (and that old geek guy, too) please line up and we'll walk to the next interpretive station, where we'll dazzle you with our superiority."

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    7. Re:I go on geek vacations by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      If you truly love something, you'd likely not want to do anything *but* that activity

      Only if you suffer from monomania. The rest of us are capable of enjoying more than one thing, and like taking a break from some things we enjoy to focus on the others for a while.

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    8. Re:I go on geek vacations by Penguinoflight · · Score: 1

      You seem to be mistaking passion for obsession. While I imagine visiting a space or car museum might be an entertaining change for some IT folk, others would find it too much like work. It's probably fair to say that taking a trip for technology in place of meeting people or seeing new parts of the world could seem like work though.

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    9. Re:I go on geek vacations by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      The problem with shuttle tourisim is that the launches get scrubbed so often, your odds of actually getting to see it aren't good if you don't live in the area.

      Some advice if you do go:

      1. Go to a night launch. Day launches are cool too, but night launches just cannot be adaquately described. The amount light they put off is unreal. Think artificial sunrise.
      2. Don't bother gettting "tickets". Just drive down 50 until you hit the beach, find a place a few blocks back to park, and walk down to A1A.
      3. Half of the experience is seeing all the other people (from every country imaginable) also there to see it. It really drives home what the manned space program means to the human race.

      Its the best (and most inspiring) free show on earth.

    10. Re:I go on geek vacations by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      >>>>The problem with shuttle tourisim is that the launches get scrubbed so often, your odds of actually getting to see it aren't good if you don't live in the area.

      Good point!

      My brother in law spent like $5,000 to go there and had nothing to show for it after a recent launch being scrubbed.

  9. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...you won't find ... a tacky plaque stuck to a wall stating that "Professor X slept here".

    I always suspected he was doing Storm on the side.

    1. Re:Too bad by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      She tried to cover up... But I have seen it all.

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  10. LIGO, and the CREHST by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you happen to find yourself in the desert of Eastern WA, I can wholeheartedly recommend Richland's CREHST exhibition on the Hanford site, and the Western branch of the LIGO gravitational interferometer out on the Hanford reservation itself. It's not often you get to stand on a scientific instrument two miles across!

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    1. Re:LIGO, and the CREHST by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You couldn't get me to within twenty miles of Hanford. I'm no fan of cancer, and that place is as radioactive as Chernobyl.

    2. Re:LIGO, and the CREHST by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fairly safe if you avoid the worst areas (and ideally carry a geiger counter), then.

  11. how national lab open houses? by peter303 · · Score: 1

    I've attended such at the Jet Propulsion Lab and the USGS. These tend to be more substantive than your generic tour.

  12. To anyone who has read the book... by sh00z · · Score: 1

    Is there any chance that there's an explanation for the Fibonacci Sequence on the side of the dome of the Italian National Cinema Museum (Mole Antonelliana) in Torino? If there was an explanation in or on the building itself, I either didn't see it, or couldn't read it...

    1. Re:To anyone who has read the book... by maxume · · Score: 1

      Wiki says it is an art project (towards the bottom):

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mole_Antonelliana

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    2. Re:To anyone who has read the book... by sh00z · · Score: 1

      aha. I missed that one. Thanks.

  13. Subtitled: by winkydink · · Score: 3, Funny

    128 Places Where You Have Zero Chance of Getting Laid

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    1. Re:Subtitled: by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      As opposed to?...

  14. Possibly 128 museums to visit by vorlich · · Score: 1

    The majority of sites are museums, certainly Germany seemed to be mostly museums and only Peenemünde was a location although also a museum. No mention of the Nördlinger Ries crater or the crater a Steinheim - which you can visit nor any mention of Neandertal outside Dusseldorf or even Einstein's birthplace in Ulm to name but a tiny number of places you would expect to appear in this "list"

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    1. Re:Possibly 128 museums to visit by juliesteele · · Score: 1

      As the editor for this book, I can tell you we had quite a few conversations about what type of places to include -- there are certainly a lot more than 128 to choose from! (Hello, sequel?)

      While it's true that the book includes a certain number of museums, I can assure you they are each remarkable in some way. For example, the Deutsches Museum in Munich, Germany, contains a complete 19th-century fishing boat with a large slice through the side that enables visitors to see into the boat from the top deck to the keel. The museum's bridge-building room features a full-scale suspension bridge that visitors can walk over. Trust me, none of the museums included is your typical local science museum with a couple of meteorites and a Van de Graaff generator.

      The Nördlinger Ries crater is pretty awesome, but we were trying to capture places with more to do than look at a hole-in-the-ground (even if it *is* a really awesome, totally geeky hole-in-the-ground).

      More info on the sites in the book, including photos and video, can be found here: http://geekatlas.ning.com/ Enjoy!

  15. Hey! by johannesg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So while you may not be able to make it to the Escher Museum (chapter 29) in The Hague, Netherlands; the information on how M.C. Escher used impossible shapes in which the chapter describes is a fascinating read on its own.

    That's only 15km from my house! It's quite easy to reach!

    Anyway, I notice a rather strong focus on English-speaking countries. Why only five sites in Germany? Why is the Boerhave Museum in Leiden (in the Netherlands) missing (with its fascinating exhibit of the first-ever helium liquification system)?

    And why is the Atomium in Brussels there? Talk about a crummy museum...

    1. Re:Hey! by godrik · · Score: 1

      I've been to the Atomium and it is definitely lame. In Paris I would recommend "Le musee des arts et metiers" which features very nice steam machines. (I love them)

    2. Re:Hey! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      The book could include a lot more sites in Europe, but the author had to draw the line somewhere. However, should you find yourself in Sweden I recommend the transatlantic transmitter in Grimeton (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grimeton)!

    3. Re:Hey! by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Anyway, I notice a rather strong focus on English-speaking countries. Why only five sites in Germany?

      It's SlashDot - what do you expect? At least they do acknowledge the existence of other languages, and indeed, continents. Though why they didn't combine their "location" for the Northern Lights with a visit to Northern Sweden or Norway?

      As a geologist, I see that there's a definite under-representation of earth-science sites. They're not too hot on astronomical sites either. In the whole of Australia they record one site, the Parkes Radio Telescope but miss the whole of the Outback, the globally-important Ediacara fauna, the (disputed) oldest fossils on Earth (Apex Chert) and the (not disputed, though intermittently challenged) oldest rock grains in the world (Jack Hills). On Hawaii, slightly changing the direction of bias, they record what I think is a volcano (and I've closed that tab, so I can't check) but miss out the cluster of telescopes on the summit plateau of Mauna Loa.
      Looking locally, they have the Hunterian Museum (yes, that's appropriate), the Falkirk Wheel (appropriate, if new) and the Naperian Museum (WTF?), but miss all of "Hutton's unconformity" (where the depth of time in Earth's history started to become apparent), the Forth Rail Bridge (it's just an iconic bridge, probably more significant than the boring Japanese suspension bridge they do list) and the stumps of the Tay rail bridge (where lessons about resonances and unusual weather conditions were learned in the blood of 70 people).

      All such books have to be arbitrary to a degree, but this one does seem to be more arbitrary than most.

      (BTW : I watched the 1999 eclipse from Dachau KZ ; if I were writing such a book I'd include the gas chambers that were built there. Not because of their brutal efficiency - they only killed a few hundreds - but for their mute testimony to the deliberate engineering of death machines.)

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  16. More Effective? by Haffner · · Score: 1

    I feel it would be more effective to write this guide on geek places at normal-people destinations, as some of us cannot gather interest at home to visit a museum about computers. On the other hand, if said museum were in the Carribean, most of us would have little problem convincing a signficant other.

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    1. Re:More Effective? by vlm · · Score: 1

      I feel it would be more effective to write this guide on geek places at normal-people destinations, as some of us cannot gather interest at home to visit a museum about computers. On the other hand, if said museum were in the Carribean, most of us would have little problem convincing a signficant other.

      Sounds like you want

      http://www.insightcruises.com/

      (I have no connection to them, other than wanting to go...)

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
    2. Re:More Effective? by caluml · · Score: 1
      Just curious..

      http://www.insightcruises.com/
      (I have no connection to them, other than wanting to go...)

      What is this (seemingly) American obsession with making sure everyone knows you've not got a link with companies? I'm referring to the sort of: "Full Disclosure - I work for this company type" posts.

    3. Re:More Effective? by SpaceCadets · · Score: 1

      I think it's because if someone says anything positive about any company/organisation on this website, there's always a hater that will go for the easy shot "yeah, but you work for them/yeah, but they're paying you to say that", and they're just making that pain in the ass argument avoidable. That's my view on it, anyway.

  17. Counting from 0 - fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The typical CS smug counts from 0, giving 128 = 1111111. Nice 'round' binary number generally means it is the largest number that fits within a certain number of bits.

    Hand in your geek card at the door.

    1. Re:Counting from 0 - fail by LionMage · · Score: 1

      The typical CS smug counts from 0, giving 128 = 1111111. Nice 'round' binary number generally means it is the largest number that fits within a certain number of bits.

      I have no idea how you convinced yourself that 128 = 1111111, but that is most certainly wrong in any binary counting system ever devised. And for the record, the author of the review article (as well as the book's author) started "counting" from 0, since you need a value to represent 0 itself and 0 is that representation in binary (or 00000000 if you prefer). If anyone did it the way you suggest, 0000000 binary would represent decimal 1. That's simply absurd, and not how modern computers do it at all. Nor do real computer nerds. Nor do computer scientists, or for that matter any other scientist or mathematician.

      I challenge you to work out the base 2 math for yourself. Or, try using any software that can convert numeric values between different numeric bases. The calculator apps that ship standard with Windows and Mac OS X can both do conversions from decimal to hex and binary, and vice-versa. I'm sure there are plenty of FOSS apps that can do it for you too.

      As for what defines a "round" number, there is no one definition of what makes a round number. To the human mind, a "round" number is often what consists of a few non-zero digits followed by typically several zeroes, a general definition that seems to be echoed by, for example, the Wikipedia entry for round number. Note that the definition provided by Wikipedia extends this meaning to bases other than 10, including binary; in this case, 128 qualifies as round since it is 10000000 binary. There's a completely different sense of round number as defined by mathematicians, and you can see there's a link to it from the Wikipedia article, but I should note that this specialized sense of the term is no closer to your definition of a "binary round number" than the colloquial understanding of the term "round number."

      Hand in your geek card at the door.

      Dude, take your own advice. But then again, you probably weren't too sure of your own material, which is why you posted as AC, right? Either that, or you were trolling.

  18. One Canadian site? What? by myvirtualid · · Score: 1

    Perhaps I am too much of a fan boy for my own country, but one Canadian site? And it's Baddeck?

    Am I the only dinosaur-loving geek wondering why Drumheller isn't on the list?

    The only paleontology-loving geek wondering at the omission of the Burgess Shale?

    The only astronomy-loving geek wondering the exclusion of DRAO?

    The only communications-loving geek perplexed at leaving out Signal Hill?

    And these are only the ones right off the top of my head! Imagine what a little detailed research would uncover!

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    I'm here EdgeKeep Inc.
    1. Re:One Canadian site? What? by jaavaaguru · · Score: 1

      There are over 200 countries in the world, and the book only covers 128 places to go and see. Be happy your country made it onto that list :-)

    2. Re:One Canadian site? What? by Beardo+the+Bearded · · Score: 1

      Perhaps I am too much of a fan boy for my own country, but one Canadian site? And it's Baddeck?

      The only communications-loving geek perplexed at leaving out Signal Hill?

      Yeah, that's an unforgivable omission.

      For those who are unaware, this was the site of the first trans-atlantic wireless transmission.

      Think about that.

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    3. Re:One Canadian site? What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignoring of course the fact that the USA comprises almost 1/4 of the entire book!

      Yeah, that's not violently skewed at all.

    4. Re:One Canadian site? What? by jaxtherat · · Score: 1

      Yes, but leaving out the Burgess Shale is ridiculous.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burgess_Shale

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    5. Re:One Canadian site? What? by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      Look, the world is a big place. You can't have every country represented and get 128 places. Something has to give.

  19. The trouble with tribbles by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some of my friends think I am crazy to do this rather than to go vacationing for pure pleasure and relaxation.

    Kirk: Scotty, you're confined to quarters.

    Scotty: Thatnks, Captain! It'll give me a chance to catch up on my technical journals!

  20. List inclusion criteria by myrrdyn · · Score: 1

    What are the criteria used by the author to make the list? It seems to me that a lot of the sites are related just to modern developments in technology, a lot less connected with (not contemporary) sciences...

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  21. Africa left out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, one could argue that Africa has had a minimal contribution to the world of science, mathematics and technology.

    Ancient Egypt? Mathematics, astronomy, engineering? Definitely a significant contribution to the world of science.

    1. Re:Africa left out by Sideshow+Coward · · Score: 1

      Africa also is home to some of the most holiest site for all geeks: http://www.tunisia.com/tunisia/travel/star-wars-tunisia

    2. Re:Africa left out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But nothing in the last few thousand years that the "regular travel guides" don't already hit.

    3. Re:Africa left out by mjwx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ancient Egypt? Mathematics, astronomy, engineering? Definitely a significant contribution to the world of science.

      Africa was left out because it is not exactly a safe or easy place to visit, especially for a pasty nerd. There are notable exceptions. The Pyramids make for a very geeky place to visit if your into architecture, language or history but the mainstream tourists have drowned that our. Just don't fly into Cairo if you can avoid it, makes the traffic of Mumbai look organised.

      If you like Architecture or History, check out Angkor (Angkor Wat is just the temple, Angkor is the city), outside of Phnom Pehn, Cambodia is not that unsafe provided you stick to the area's that have already been swept for mines. It's cheap and the people are friendly (English is bad though, but it adds to the charm).

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    4. Re:Africa left out by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      Ancient Africa contributed a lot.

      But from a math/tech perspective, what have they done in the last 100 years?

    5. Re:Africa left out by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      I guess I was kinder... I said last 100 years.

    6. Re:Africa left out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but what have they done lately?

  22. The secret's out by ewg · · Score: 1

    Great, now all these destinations will be overrun with geeks.

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  23. Akihabara by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    As a gadget/games nerd I am very excited about going to Akihabara in Tokyo in about 6 weeks. Apparently it's the Mecca for people like me. Even with the strong Yen (vs USD) I'm hoping to find some good deals on electronics.

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    1. Re:Akihabara by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      find some good deals on electronics.

      Unless things have changed since I was there, you're not going to find any "good deals". What you'll find is stuff you'll never be able to find anywhere else, but you'll be paying a pretty penny (... yenny?) for them. I was there back when Sony's minidisc was the rage, and thinking of picking up a player. Stuff equivalent to the couple of models in the US back then were probably about 10% more expensive, and prices went up from there on the cooler models.

      Fortunately the cost dissuaded me from buying into MD ;)

    2. Re:Akihabara by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The flashy, crowded places at street level probably aren't going to be cheap. Check the back-alley vendors and stores in the upper floors for deals. Of course if you're looking for stuff that can only be found in Japan you can't go wrong.

  24. Really? by redelm · · Score: 1

    My morning logon fortune was: "I read National Geographic for the same reason as Playboy -- to see places I'm never going to go." :)

  25. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by 680x0 · · Score: 1

    They must already be using an "unsigned byte" (or some larger integer)... 10000000b is -128 if you were using a signed byte.

  26. Depends... by KingAmongMen · · Score: 1

    ... on the size of your... ahem... brain.

  27. Belgium by laejoh · · Score: 1

    The Atomium is included in the list. Plan your visit for the 6+7 February 2010 and visit FOSDEM 2010 !

  28. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hand in your geek card. A 7-bit counter can store 128 values, and is typically used to store the range 0-127 inclusive. This book contains 128 entries which, assuming they are real geeks and count from 0, will mean that the last one is number 127.

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  29. Kids and Real Science don't mix by kenp2002 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Kids today don't need any more nonsense then they already get. Here is real science:

    Get up in the morning.
    Drive to work.
    Sit in your cube.
    Spend 6 hours reading test results.
    Enter test results into spreadsheet.
    Spend an hour prepping results report.
    Send results to senior scientist.
    Go home.
    Repeat.

    Not everyone gets to trudge around rain forests or go globe trotting looking for the next big thing. Most sit in cubicles crunching numbers. Hell not everyone even gets to be in the lab. I remember working with a PhD chemical engineer at SEARS when I was in high school. He left the field because sitting in a cubicle all day staring at rehometer readouts for a blown film line test drove him insaine. 10 years and he never set foot in a lab. The whole of his start in chemistry was hoping to be like his father who also was a chemist (Lots of beakers and burners and condensation tubes and crap with a lab coat). Things have changed now. Kids need to see that part. Deluding kids is not the answer. Science is now, more then ever, a business and the old days are gone.

    Not everyone gets to sit at an observatory looking for some celestial wonder.

    Most live in Excel spreadsheets and databases.

    Kids need some reality before they waste 4 years in college and countless $$$ pursuing their master's and PhD in a field they end up dropping out of once reality sets in.

    We suffered enough thanks to Indy when that crap came out. "What do you mean I have to label everything and dig with a brush?!" Where is the "adventure". "What do you mean I don't get to go to Egypt?" I have to sit in a warehouse in Kentucky labeling stuff and making plaster casts?"

    Enough "adventure" nonsense with the kids. They need to learn to value the aqusition of knowledge. Knowledge for knowledge's sake. We need people with a passion for real knowledge rather then just "The cool parts".

    Please no more science camps. Show them a good helping of real work, stick them in a cube 3 days a week, 8-10 hours a pop.

    Science is hard work. Kids need to see that. They don't need magic, they need reality.

    Go ahead mod me troll I have karma to burn but we need to get our kids heads on straight.

    How many kids want to be astronauts? doctors? pirates? ninjas? Astronomers? Give them a real taste of what it's like.

    Want to be a doctor? Here, you get to go to doctor camp where you can spend 14 weeks a year defending yourself against malpractice suits. Hopeful astronomer? Here is a spreadsheet of gamma bursts from XM310203-01. Grab the data from the k:\orbitXM310203-01.xls and see if the gamma burst data shows if it correlates to Dr. Atworsts theory that there is a large object occluding the omission, possible an orbit. Also before heading home make sure you get Grant #44 and Grant #55 applications update for submission.

    The horror stories I've seen over the years leads me every time to one factor: the reality of science and the marketing of science have grown so vast that the reailty of science is almost unknown until they get out into the private sector.

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    1. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Azghoul · · Score: 1

      Yeah, way to REALLY blow away any hope for future scientific achievement coming out of America, man...

      (not saying you're WRONG, just saying... yuck)

    2. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, people should just die.

    3. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hum, not quite wrong. As a Computational Physicist myself, the wow moments happens, but most of the time the work is to find a 2 factor or a minus sign on a very, very long code, or a very, very convoluted article. To do something new, there is a LOT of hard work. Then, maybe, just maybe, if you are right, the wow happens. But this is science, and it has been always like that.

    4. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Atom+Tan · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wow, what a sad post.

      There are hundreds of thousands of applied science jobs that do allow you to get out of a cube and get your hands dirty. Two personal examples:

      My father just retired after being a chemical engineer for 15 years (his second career). During this he spent most of his time in a laboratory or in the field working with manufacturers of physical goods to design processes that would yield good results with the chemicals they were using, or suggesting better alternatives. This often involved mixing up small batches of sealants, adhesives, etc. applying them to materials with different methods (brushing, spraying, etc.), and seeing how they held up. Not everyone's cup of tea, but certainly not spending a lot of time in a cube.

      My hands-on experience is with an airplane manufacturer (Boeing), where I worked for 4 years in a lab that produces simulations for all of their commercial airplanes. Actual test data for physical systems like engines and control surfaces was combined with modules like autopilots and flight management into a 7 million line-of-code simulation that could be used to drive the complete flight deck.

      True much of my week was in the cube, but very often, sometimes for days on end, we would be in flight deck replicas of the commercial airplanes (complete with hardware, hydraulic controls, etc. and simulated out-of-the-window view). We used the simulator to test behavior of new equipment in simulation, prototyping new displays for pilots, etc. Engineers in our sister group, Flight Test, actually got to test the equipment in flight.

      In both examples above there were dozens of engineers at the same companies doing largely the same things we were, with different programs or areas of emphasis. In other words, there were many such opportunities, but everyone was "the expert" on some particular niche.

      There is always an adjustment from academia to industry, and some disillusionment (I've found it happens with new engineers around the 1 year period once the novelty of joining the work force has worn off). As a hiring manager, I look for new engineers that can do the grunt-work but are still inspired to try new things and I've found that "new blood" can actually energize the entire team. I would say a goal for academia is to inspire students with a passion for science and discovery while preparing them for the discipline and sustained hard work required to succeed in industry.

      I think it is actually destructive to suggest that creativity and inspiration are not important in science jobs, because the types of jobs that do not require these (in other words, that require a certain level of knowledge but are describable and repetitive), tend to be outsourced to contractors.

    5. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Bunny+Caerbannog · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Dude, It's about getting excited about learning and how stuff works. Science needs the superstars and interesting places to visit because it's usually not what's glorified in popular culture. Not everybody gets to live their dream but everyone wants a chance to hit the big time. If we show kids that being smart can lead to awesomeness like being athletic they might try for that. Someone's always gotta do the grunt work and that sucks when it's you.

      But to lean on sports, You gotta be willing to play on the farm team to get called up to the majors.

    6. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      So essentially you want to show them how much of a drag work will be, no matter how much time they spend studying? Do you want to drive the teenage suicide rate up?

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    7. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by jcouvret · · Score: 1

      Yep, being a scientist sucks. It's engineering where all the fun is. And these days, chicks love engineers. :)

    8. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by aldo.gs · · Score: 1

      We need you to do some recruiting, you make being a mathematician sound fun!

    9. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by rlseaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Hogwash!

      Not everyone gets to sit at an observatory looking for some celestial wonder. Most live in Excel spreadsheets and databases.

      Indeed - including most astronomers. Experimental design is not boring just because it has evolved to include digital cameras and computer networks and a remote operations paradigm.

      Kids need some reality

      Encouraging a bit of hopeful imagination about their futures is dramatically more realistic than your fatalistic world view. As regards science in particular, your premise is absurd. Science is all around us. A forensic accountant may "live in Excel and DBs", but uses the principles of science just the same. A baker is a chemist. An auto mechanic a mechanical engineer. And both may use spreadsheets and databases regularly - and those databases and spreadsheets, if well organized, will save them a lot of time they would otherwise spend sitting at a desk crunching numbers.

      A child who is encouraged to visit museums and libraries and Geek travel sites and to participate in "Science Olympiad" or "Destination Imagination" and to build LEGO robots and electronics kits and chemistry sets - is going to have a heck of a head start no matter what career they eventually pursue.

      I've judged (with many others) at my local science fair for the last ten years or so. I can personally attest to having seen hundreds of "Real Science" projects successfully conducted by kids over that time. Successful by your restricted definition of success, meaning with neat, complete lab notebooks and pertinent graphics often produced from spreadsheets. And successful in the true sense of revealing underlying truths of the universe and of ennobling the spirits of the participants and judges alike.

    10. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by turing_m · · Score: 1

      I think it is actually destructive to suggest that creativity and inspiration are not important in science jobs, because the types of jobs that do not require these (in other words, that require a certain level of knowledge but are describable and repetitive), tend to be outsourced to contractors.

      I don't think he suggested that creativity and inspiration are unimportant. They are. He just suggested that a dose of reality was good. I think he has a point. If you can find part of the reality tolerable, interesting or even fascinating, then it's worth considering as a career (or hobby). If not, why waste 4-5 years? Or 6-8 years? Why the bait and switch?

      http://philip.greenspun.com/careers/

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    11. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by kenp2002 · · Score: 1

      There are hundreds of thousands of applied science jobs that do allow you to get out of a cube and get your hands dirty

      Reality check: there are BILLIONS of people on Earth. In the USA alone over 300,000,000. Even if there was 3 million of applied sciene jobs in the USA we are talking 1% of the population would have access to those jobs. I've sat with countless graduates both masters and PhD level education. It's hard enough to find work in the private sector with a PhD (much easier with a masters apparently) let alone get a job where you get to live outside a cubicle.

      I can think just off the top of my head 4 Lockheed enginners here in MN that I've drank coffee with that in 15 years still have yet to get outside a cubicle in their field of work. They sit there for a decade HOPING someone above them retires for a chance to get promoted to a position that gets them out of the cubicle only to find the position given to an outside hire.

      I can think of two Entemologists (sp) that wanted to travel the world looking for new species that now catalog samples in a windowless warehouse that get shipped in from Brazil.

      That is real life and kids need to learn to deal with that reality earlier rather then later. They need to undesrtand that they'll likely spend 3/4th of their career as a cube jockey before they get that glory moment, if ever. Quite a few scientist have died before their moment of glory came to pass. They worked on because they had a passion for what they did based on reality.

      A quote I am fond of is "I do what I do for posterity and with every stroke of the pen find joy in the preservation of knowledge." Kids will never, NEVER, understand that the way we present science to them today.

      The dropout rates for engineers and hard science shows us that this "Science Camp" nonsense isn't working and the number of jobs out there in these fields means we need to weed out those who lack a passion for pursuit of knowledge, not adventure.

      It's a waste of the kids time in college and a waste of the educators to have a lecture hall packed with 40 students where 30 of them will either change majors or drop out once reality sets in.

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      -=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
    12. Re:Kids and Real Science don't mix by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      You could similarly make being an NFL quarterback sound dull, if you just related all the hard work they spend most of their time doing to prepare for the relatively short games.

  30. The problem is... by Weaselmancer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...you have a limited definition of 'beautiful'.

    For instance, the Large Hadron Collider. It is, in fact, beautiful. Beautiful in execution, beautiful physics, beautiful. And falls neatly outside your context.

    If this book being recommended can bring that sense of beauty to power sub stations and the like, then I think it's a good idea.

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    rediculous.
    1. Re:The problem is... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      Go ahead and advocate that view at an Artists' gathering and see how far you get. Although the nearest one might be a fair bit away from where you live.

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    2. Re:The problem is... by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, okay, if "Artists" at a hypothetical gathering say so, I guess I'll stop trying to find beauty in things they don't approve of.

    3. Re:The problem is... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 1

      Most artists today aren't very interested in "the beautiful" (which is a concern of the decorative.) And they might well find the Large Hadron Collider compelling in its own way, albeit in the context of a critical reflection on the relationships between science, knowledge and culture.

    4. Re:The problem is... by Chabo · · Score: 1

      In an episode of Top Gear from a couple years ago, Jeremy Clarkson was reviewing the Alfa Romeo 8C, asking "Can a car be a piece of art?"

      He quoted an artist friend of his, who said that a car can never be art because art must have no function outside itself; it must only be a piece of art. He concluded that the 8C is a piece of art, because it's useless as a car, despite its utter beauty.

      I agree; something industrial can be beautiful if it was created to be beautiful, and not simply engineered to meet a need or to fit a market segment.

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    5. Re:The problem is... by khallow · · Score: 1

      You forget that artists have a massive conflict of interest when it comes to defining art. For example, another replier mentions a claim that art cannot have a function. That's a convenient definition for someone who can't make something that functions. Similarly, there's a number of examples of modern art that while interesting, don't take that long to put together. While someone can spend a couple of hours putting together a work of art, it's worth remembering that they get a lot more money for that two hours of work, if they can put some intangible value on their work that can't be applied to similar work of similar quality and duration (say your three year old's doodlings).

      My point is that artists as a group have a considerable self-interest in promoting the value of their work and in diminishing rival art forms. So yes, I don't see them agreeing in the artistry of major industrial installations, but that's only because they'd be protecting their turf. A hypothetical meeting of philosophers on aesthetics would yield far more balanced discussion of the subject.

    6. Re:The problem is... by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      Beyond funny!

    7. Re:The problem is... by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      Very good point.

  31. Me too by hcdejong · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Same here. After several tries at more conventional vacations that turned out to be boring (Architecture? meh. Nature? If you've seen one tree, you've seen them all. Mountains? pfft), I've given my geek impulses free rein the last few years, and it's wonderful.
    I just finished a two-week trip to the UK, where I visited several old mines, a few car and aircraft museums, the Porthcurno Telegraph Museum (thanks to Neal Stephenson) [1] and Bletchley Park.

    1: an absolute treat, well worth travelling to the middle of nowhere for

  32. COSI in Columbus Ohio by Whorhay · · Score: 1

    If you go to the TV museum in Ohio you really should take half a day and go visit COSI near downtown Columbus. I spent a lot of time at the old location when I was a kid and absolutely loved it. They moved to a new location a few years back and the wife and I went to check it out last time we were in the area. It might be a bit on the childish side as it is designed to interest children in the sciences and history. But even as an adult I found the exhibits interesting and entertaining.

  33. Henry Ford & Greenfield Village by gr8_phk · · Score: 1

    No, the only way to really see science is to have a personal connection with the investigators involved. Get a tour of their labs, sit in on a talk by a visiting professor, go to a poster session.

    If you want to tour places, stop by the poorly named "Henry Ford Museum". It has little to do with Mr Ford. It's actually a history museum that simply collected artifacts from the industrial revolution. You'll see various pieces of machinery from the 18 and 1900's along with cars, train, planes, sewing machines, typewriters, combines, steam engines, locomotives, etc... Also right next door is Greenfield Village - Mr Ford bought a bunch of buildings and had them moved here. You can tour Thomas Edisons lab, the homes of various historical figures, the home of the Write Brothers (and I believe the actual shop), and many other interesting buildings taken straight out of history and preserved generations. These are not reproductions, they are the actual buildings. There are also demonstrations of how some things were made in the old days, and I believe you can even get a ride in a model T.

    I'm sure most people who visit the Detroit area pass on this the way I'd pass on an Elvis museum just because of the name.

  34. Good Book by TranscenDev · · Score: 1

    Just got the book and love it ~Ami http://transcendevelopment.com/

  35. National Geographic Traveler by DomNF15 · · Score: 1

    This might be slightly off topic, but for anyone interested in a good travel guide, I used the above mentioned guide on my last trip to Hawaii (honeymoon): http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographic-Traveler-Hawaii-3rd/dp/1426203888/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1248122652&sr=8-1.

    I found it to be much more useful than the standard Frommer's guide. It pointed us to lots of natural wonders (i.e. not tourist traps) and even suggested some good restaurants off the beaten path. What I liked most about the book is that it gave you a numbered guide of important things to see in each location, like having a personal tour guide (in many cases the guide pointed out things I would have easily missed). I think something like The Geek Atlas is a novel idea and would be interested to read its contents and visit the sites mentioned therein, but being an engineer who is constantly surrounded by science and technology, the things I want to see/experience while on vacation rarely have to do with those subjects. For me, vacation is a time to do something different, something out of the ordinary, something that is not part of my daily life. I'll take watching the sunrise over the top of a volcano over visiting the Hague at least 9 times out of 10...

  36. He excluded Canada too! by MagikSlinger · · Score: 1

    Darn it! We got lots of science & technology places:

    • Sudbury, Ontario
    • EA Vancouver -- not that you can visit the place
    • Nunuavut Diamond Fields
    • Burgess Shales
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  37. He missed the Delta Works by mvdwege · · Score: 1

    Call me a parochial Dutchman, but if you want a stunning display of science and engineering, the Delta Works and especially the Eastern Scheldt storm surge barrier should have been included. Their contribution to human knowledge and just plain awesomeness is easily on a par with the works of M.C. Escher.

    And as an added bonus, if you're listing the Escher museum anyway, the Delta Works are just around the corner.

    Mart

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  38. "Geek Atlas" == boring and obscure places? by tqk · · Score: 1

    "If there is a fault in the book, it is with its title. When people see Geek Atlas, they might think that this is a book that takes the reader to boring and obscure places, ..."

    "Geek Atlas" == boring and obscure places to you? Are you aware of on what website your comments are currently posted?
    Damn, I'd love to see Alexandria, as it once was (pre-destruction).

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    1. Re:"Geek Atlas" == boring and obscure places? by tqk · · Score: 1

      "Geek Atlas" == boring and obscure places to you? Are you aware of on what website your comments are currently posted? Damn, I'd love to see Alexandria, as it once was (pre-destruction).

      No, that's not an intentional play-on-typo-of geek =~ Greek, for all the budding comedians out there. Feh.

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  39. San Francisco Exploratorium by ImNotAtWork · · Score: 1

    This is a Nirvana for up and coming science geeks. http://www.exploratorium.edu/mind/

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  40. Another place left out, in New Jersey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another great place the book doesn't include: New Jersey's InfoAge Science Center. The center is located in Wall Township (near the shore). It's a hands-on learning center. Originally it was built as a Marconi America R&D facility in 1912. It was a Navy comms lab during WW1, and an Army Signal Corps lab from WW2 until the 1990s. All sorts of amazing things in the history of radio, radar, communications, and computing happened here. It's also got the biggest friggin' satellite dish most people will ever see. Today there's a radio/TV museum, computer museum, shipwreck museum, model trains museum, military vehicles museum, amateur radio museum, and much more. Hours are Sundays 1pm-4pm and other times by appointment. www.infoage.org

  41. Radome in Brittany by grege1 · · Score: 1

    They have left out the Radome. Maybe in the next edition. The Radome is the original satellite receiver for the first TV transmissions between Europe and North America. With it's associated telecommunications museum and interesting tours it is a great place for a geek tourist.

  42. Author also wrote POPFile by zonker · · Score: 0

    Somewhat off topic but it may interest some of you that the book's author also created the open source project POPFile, a popular bayesian spam filter featured previously featured in a story here on Slashdot.

  43. Misguided guide by LenE · · Score: 1

    I looked at a handful of his mapped locations, and seriously worry about where he is steering people. Sure, the Joseph Priestly House would be a good place to visit for the budding chemistry geek, but some of the others are seriously misguided.

    Take for example the Nikolai Tesla museum in Belgrade, Serbia. A budding mad scientist should know that Tesla, although Serbian, never set foot in Belgrade. His contributions to science started in Graz, Austria, and then really took off in the US. There is no placemarks for Tesla in Pittsburgh, Colorado Springs, nor New York City, where he had his various laboratories, producing things like fluorescent lights and tesla coils.

    Or the abundance of atomic bomb test sites, but the absence of places like Edwards Air Force Base, where the speed of sound was first broken. The Glenn-Curtiss museum is included, but not one for the Wright brothers in Dayton, OH.

    Other underwhelming things like the Carl Sagan Planet Walk (in Ithaca, NY), should have been dropped all together. I think it went in after he died, and I'm not sure if his widow's pot-smoking paraphernalia shop still exists near the center of the model, anymore.

    -- Len

  44. An atlas? meh. by sootman · · Score: 1

    *shrugs*

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  45. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by noidentity · · Score: 1

    The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count offering 256 cool places to visit.

    Hand over your geek card; a signed (two's complement) octet can store up to 127, not 128.

    BTW, it'd have been much more geeky if it said 0x80 places...

  46. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that will be a bit more interesting then.

  47. O'Reilly editors are reading slashdot - Cool! by vorlich · · Score: 1

    I would not normally respond to comments but since your claim to be the editor introduces the Voice Of Authority, let me expand on my observation as a prospective customer.

    Perhaps a casual observer, finding this title in a museum shop, might expect that a "Geek Atlas" would refer to real locations that you would find in an atlas. A giant list of German museums and one cemetery full of dead Nobel Prize winners an atlas does not make. This is more of a "Geek Museum Guide", where non-UK parts of Europe are concerned and not too far removed from the pages of say "Rough Guide" or "Lonely Planet"

    A list of museums and other European locations of geek interest and pilgrimage would be something that lived up to the title. It probably won't surprise you to hear that I have actually been in the Deutsches Museum, since it is only a wee bit along the road from where I live and it is an absolutely stunning collection of artefacts, including a Van de Graaff Generator (with 3 shows per day) and a couple of meteorites but in terms of being a "location" on an "atlas" it is not significant apart from the opportunity it presents to touch a genuine V2 rocket or buy a copy of the Geek Atlas in the museum shop (or just read it for half an hour to discover that Europe is a bit of an afterthought).

    My point was that I would be interested in a book that was a geek atlas that continued to appreciate that a visit to the (listed) Trinity Site (which remains "awesome" despite the fact that it was bulldozed flat) is a tad more connected than a visit to a museum, even after you leave the English speaking world, and consequently contained a richer source of material on Europe as opposed to just Britain and America.

    My observations were to express dissappointment that while I am unlikely to visit the Trinity Site which you do mention, I could easily visit so many other sites, such as the reactor at Haigerloch which you don't mention,

    So rather than "Hello,sequel", perhaps you might consider "Hello, European Edition".

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    1. Re:O'Reilly editors are reading slashdot - Cool! by juliesteele · · Score: 1

      Thanks for your response. Your input as a Prospective Customer (our version of the Voice of Authority) is quite appreciated.

      I take your point (and the point of many others who have commented) about the heavy focus on sites in America and the UK. But after all, the book is written in English and primarily publishing in those countries (Canada, mea culpa; we promise to do better by you in the next edition). A European edition is a great suggestion, and I would love to see it happen, although it would probably come from another author/publisher pair. Unfortunately, the realities of the European book market and the amount of work it takes to create a book like this mean it would not likely be a profitable investment of resources for us. I wish we didn't have to take such things into account, but we do.

      Still, whether or not you are totally satisfied with our selections, we hope you enjoy reading the book as published and are able to learn something new -- about places nearby wherever you live, diversions for an afternoon on business travel, or destinations for family vacations, not to mention the really fascinating principles and discoveries behind those places. And by all means, suggestions for even more great places to go are more than welcome.

    2. Re:O'Reilly editors are reading slashdot - Cool! by karlconnors · · Score: 1

      How do you know O'Reilly editors are really reading slashdot?

  48. Falkirk wheel in Scotland by sossles · · Score: 1

    Damn, I was in London/Europe up until 4 weeks ago and was thinking "wouldn't it be great if there were a travel guide exactly like this". Of course, it never occurred to me that such a thing would be a dead-tree book.

    Oh well, here's my own contribution, if it's not already in the book - the Falkirk wheel, halfway between Edinburgh and Glasgow in Scotland. It's a massive rotating boat lift, used to replace a series of locks, quite ingenious the way the two 'buckets' are kept in perfect balance and fascinating to see in action.

    Here's a time lapse movie
    of it in action.

  49. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by idontgno · · Score: 1

    I'm not going to assume you even have a geek card, because your google-fu is so weak.

    ECCE LIBRO II CONTINENTUR

    Srsly. Google '"Geek atlas" table of contents'. First link.

    The table of contents enumerates 128 chapters, indexing from 1 to 128. So your assumption that all geeks count from zero is unfounded.

    If you, in fact, possess a geek card, please report for re-certification.

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  50. Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am appalled by this review and the reviewer's crappy attempt at explaining why Africa was left out...

    And by the way, let's suppose that Egypt is too mainstream (?!). What about Bejaia, Algeria where no one else than Fibbonacci learnt about the Arabic numerals and then spread them through Europe... Maybe that's not geeky enough ?

    It's sad to see than even nowadays the education systems continue to insist that nothing happened in the period between the greeks and the renaissance. However, that is zero excuse (even subconsciously) to continue writing books in that frame of mind and call yourself a geek.

  51. Re:The 2nd edition will use an unsigned byte count by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure what your point is. If you base from 1 instead of 0, then 7 bits is still enough to store 128 distinct values.

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