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7-Story Wooden Condo Survives 7.5 Magnitude Quake

Mike writes "Earthquake news abounds as of late — recently a team of researchers from five universities unveiled an seven-story earthquake-proof wooden building that is capable of withstanding severe earthquakes. Featuring a structurally efficient nail distribution and a 63 anchor tie down system, the wooden condominium survived a test using an E-Defense shake table, which simulated a 7.5 magnitude quake (check out the video!)"

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  1. Lasts? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The question is- does it last in such a way that you just keep living like nothing happened after the quake? or.. lasts, as in, doesn't kill everybody in and around the building, but you probably want a new one if it goes through an earthquake even once..

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    1. Re:Lasts? by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The general idea is to have the building _not_ collapse on top of you.

      As a lifetime resident of Los Angeles that's experienced all of the big quakes back to the 1970's, I've been in stick construction houses for all of the quakes and didn't even experience a broken window. They shake like crazy and it's loud as hell in the big ones, but the stick design is very flexible.

      The older homes here 1930's have foundation problems more than anything else in the big ones. They tend to be lathe/plaster walls, but still stick-style construction. I don't know what's different about those. There are *very* few if any of the really old adobe-style houses left. Not because of earthquakes though.

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    2. Re:Lasts? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      From watching the movie, it remained in one piece, with no visible change. Maybe there was structural damage, but the article didn't mention it. It looked like it was shaking a bit, so if it'd had sheetrock, the sheetrock might have become cracked. If there were books on shelves, the books likely would have fallen off.

      Also, check out the movie, if you've ever lived through an earthquake, it looks just like a real one feels, not sharp shaking back and forth, but gentle moving in seeming random directions. And the platform is moving a million pound structure.

      Also, I have been all over the world, but the poor countries I have been to mainly use concrete as a construction material, not wood, even for smaller buildings. I'm not sure this is so useful for poor countries, but for me living in California in a wood house, I am happy to hear of any new advances in earthquake proofing a house.

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    3. Re:Lasts? by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, why would you make this kind of technology on such shaky grounds anyway?

    4. Re:Lasts? by value_added · · Score: 1

      The older homes here 1930's have foundation problems more than anything else in the big ones. They tend to be lathe/plaster walls, but still stick-style construction.

      That would include my favourite, older buildings using stick-style construction with brick exteriors.

    5. Re:Lasts? by dierdorf · · Score: 1

      This doesn't surprise me at all, and it shouldn't surprise anyone who knows anything about the construction of wooden ships. Look up the history of the Eddystone Light, the first lighthouse built in open sea. The first wooden tower failed immediately, but the second (Rudyard's Tower) was built of wood in 1709 by a shipbuilder who knew how wood should flex and how to make solid joints that could take the ocean's pounding. It was perhaps eight or nine stories high and took everything the Atlantic could throw at it for fifty years until it burned down, something the designer couldn't have done much about. It was replaced in 1759 by a granite tower (Smeaton's Tower), which lasted until 1877, when the rock underneath it began to crumble away. The current Eddystone Light is basically a scaled-up duplicate of it. (The top 3/4 of Smeaton's Tower was disassembled block by block and reassembled on Plymouth Hoe, where it is a tourist attraction. The stub is still on the original site beside the new one, and it still hasn't fallen over.)

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    6. Re:Lasts? by plover · · Score: 1

      I built this lighthouse in the swamp. People said I was daft to build a lighthouse in a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em.

      It sank into the swamp.

      So I built another one. That one sank into the swamp. So I built a third lighthouse. That one burned down, fell over, and then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad, the strongest lighthouse in this swamp.

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  3. uh, wow? by v1 · · Score: 1

    Am I the only one that didn't find that earthquake video very impressive? I would hope any building would survive that. Looks like a very tame earthquake.

    Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed.

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    1. Re:uh, wow? by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

      This is actually very old news. I live in Earthquake city, USA, so most houses here are wooden, so they can twist (and businesses are usually in buildings set on rollers). I talked to a guy from Israel, asking what the buildings were like there (If they had a more US or European way to decorating an interior) and he said "Well, first, there's no wood. It's concrete. We're not afraid of earthquakes hitting our houses, we're afraid of rockets hitting them."

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    2. Re:uh, wow? by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed."

      You want impressive? Try this video. Skip to 4:35 if you wanna see the dining room.

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    3. Re:uh, wow? by cyn1c77 · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one that didn't find that earthquake video very impressive? I would hope any building would survive that. Looks like a very tame earthquake.

      Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed.

      It does look weak, but I have participated in quake testing and real earthquakes. You can really feel the motion on the roof. And that "unimpressive motion" is pretty dramatic when you are in the 4th floor of building and you have to sit there and wait to see what happens while everything gets shaken off your desk and wall.

      But I agree that siding and shingles might change the loading a bit. But remember, this is research. They are just proving a concept.

    4. Re:uh, wow? by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Here's another link of a dining room, but this time it's for the wooden building in the article. Last post was a link for a different building test.

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    5. Re:uh, wow? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed.

      Yeah, they could have made it much cooler with computer generated graphics, instead they probably blew their whole production budget on the world's largest shake table, a million pounds of wood, and a huge team of highly trained Japanese scientists and engineers. If nothing else, it needs more fire, and way more Godzilla. Two thumbs down!

      (I love slashdot).

    6. Re:uh, wow? by Chris+Burke · · Score: 1

      So a magnitude 7.5 sounds like a tame earthquake to you? And you figure it should be simple to make a wood building that survives such an earthquake, especially without siding or furniture?

      I'm not very impressed with you.

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    7. Re:uh, wow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure it looks small, it does occur to you that this is 7 stories, right? So, basically, if this was a normal sized house, those jolts would be moving it's floor higher than it's roof in under a second. This is, actually, very impressive.

    8. Re:uh, wow? by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 1

      Every building in New Zealand, regardless of construction, survived last weeks 7.8 earthquake. Close to the epicentre a few objects fell off shelves. Basically, there can be a wide a difference between the strength of the earthquake and the damage it causes because of local situations, so 7.8 can be tame.

    9. Re:uh, wow? by frogzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Two houses. One reinforced. Shaken at the same time.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc652Zp5qWk

    10. Re:uh, wow? by varkk · · Score: 1

      There was only minimal damage because the earthquake was centred over 100km away from the nearest town. Geologists also said that the quake occurred in an area of 'soft' rocks which helped dissipate a lot of the energy before it reached any buildings. If it had happened closer to civilisation then we would be looking at a lot more damage.

    11. Re:uh, wow? by Quikah · · Score: 1

      There were buildings close to the epicenter? Looked like it was in the middle of nowhere to me.

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    12. Re:uh, wow? by StaticEngine · · Score: 1

      Watch the video from inside the building. The earthquake doesn't look that impressive in the outside video because of the scale, and our lack of our ability to sense that properly. However, after viewing the inside video, I can say there's no way I'd want to go through that kind of quake.

    13. Re:uh, wow? by Weedhopper · · Score: 1

      That video of the dining room was just realistic enough that I half expected a car alarm to go off. And then I thought I heard a siren, but instead, it was people cheering.

      What a letdown.

    14. Re:uh, wow? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It takes quite a bit for a building to impress me after seeing this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_PLQGucFvw

    15. Re:uh, wow? by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 1

      Well, there are a few isolated buildings relatively close by. But the point I was trying to make is that if you compare the isoseismic maps of the 7.8 quake last week with a 5.9 one from last year the felt intensity is not hugely different due to local geological factors, despite the magnitude difference (in which the recent one was getting on for 100 times more powerful).

    16. Re:uh, wow? by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 1

      Relatively middle of nowhere, there are various isolated buildings within 50km, but no towns. Mostly these are conservation department huts (tramper/ fieldworker accommodation) that one could charitably use the term shack to describe. No reports of structural damage. At about 50km from the Epicentre (as the worm tunnels) you get the Manapouri power station, which is both underground and (by virtue of being built into the side wall of a lake) effectively underwater (or at least below the waterline). Not my first choice of place to be in an earthquake, but it was fine.

  4. Sensationalist headline by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simulations are nice and all, but it's a bit inaccurate to say it "survived a 7.5 magnitude quake" when it didn't actually.

    Also, adding in 63 steel rods seems to defeat the purpose of calling it a "wooden building".

    1. Re:Sensationalist headline by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the whole purpose of something like this is to justify wood as a acceptable material for 3 or more stories (well in california) by doing this they increase the market share of wood. See simpson strong tie.... truth is this was an empty home with no realistic live loads. ie file cabinets couches TV etc. You also have to add dead loads like windows, doors finishes etc.

    2. Re:Sensationalist headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DRTFA, but more significant from the pictures was the structure was completely unloaded. No windows, no dummy loads for occupants and possessions, presumably no millwork or plumbing. Unless plastic wouldn't the latter blow apart under the flexing shown anyway?

    3. Re:Sensationalist headline by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simulations are nice and all, but it's a bit inaccurate to say it "survived a 7.5 magnitude quake" when it didn't actually.

      You're just arguing semantics. The forces applied by these shake tables are close enough to the real thing to give us a good idea of what the building can survive. Yes, you can argue "it's not a real quake," but that's pointless. Are they supposed to wait for a real quake for their test?

      Also, adding in 63 steel rods seems to defeat the purpose of calling it a "wooden building".

      As others have said, they're just trying to provide evidence that wood is a viable building material for larger buildings.

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    4. Re:Sensationalist headline by sexconker · · Score: 0, Troll

      Yet it obviously isn't, which is why they prop it up with steel.

    5. Re:Sensationalist headline by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Most building designs are never tested this way at all - think they just plug some numbers into some equations, multiply everything by 5 or 10, and build it. Couches and TVs don't enter into it.

    6. Re:Sensationalist headline by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      Nowhere does anybody say that wood has to be the only material used. It doesn't have to be all one thing or the other. Also, it appears from the unfortunately sparse article that the steel only helps to keep the building from rocking excessively. It doesn't support the weight. A building like this would likely be a good bit cheaper than a similar steel building.

      Will anything be built like this? Maybe not, but it's interesting anyway.

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  5. Orwellian by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

    seven-story earthquake-proof wooden building

    There! Are! Six! Floors!

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    1. Re:Orwellian by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Funny

      "There! Are! Six! Floors!"

      Hmm... that's what I count too. Maybe they're using that new math, where the roof counts? Looks flat, you could probably put some tents on it and someone would rent it, especially in LA.

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    2. Re:Orwellian by ATestR · · Score: 1

      The first floor is open... a parking garage? Still counts, structurally.

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    3. Re:Orwellian by ATestR · · Score: 1

      My mistake... I looked at the picture more closely, and now see what I thought was a parking garage is actually the shake table.

      Yes, only 6 floors, and as I recall from my days as an engineer (and in the Seismic class), although the roof load is calculated in the design, it IS NOT a separate floor.

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    4. Re:Orwellian by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      That's just standard in many buildings due to superstitions. They don't count the 13th floor.

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    5. Re:Orwellian by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

      They were including the story about it surviving the magnitude 7.5 quake.

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    6. Re:Orwellian by srussia · · Score: 1

      seven-story earthquake-proof wooden building

      There! Are! Six! Floors!

      It's actually seven. Linked video from TFA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2XMfOXVOvo) shows where the shake table level is.

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    7. Re:Orwellian by gubers33 · · Score: 1

      Technically the bottom floor which isn't enclosed counts as a story, it would be the basement actually.However, that part looks like it is made up of steel beams, not wood. Although it looks like a lot of the joints and supports are metal as well. So they are still lying!

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    8. Re:Orwellian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many floors do you see, Captain?

    9. Re:Orwellian by schon · · Score: 1

      "There! Are! Six! Floors!"

      Hmm... that's what I count too. Maybe they're using that new math, where the roof counts?

      Maybe they're in China? :)

    10. Re:Orwellian by MeanMF · · Score: 1

      That's the table that they use to shake the building.

    11. Re:Orwellian by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder why Unix programmers are so triskaidekaphobic... whenever they see the number 13 in a file they delete it, much to the chagrin of Windows Notepad.

    12. Re:Orwellian by BikeHelmet · · Score: 1

      You forgot the basement. You know, the place where cars park. 6 stories is a lot of people, so they need a whole floor for parking!

  6. high building standards by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about a tornado, earthquake, and fire at the same time?

    When 2012 comes will it protect me from the hordes of flesh eating locusts?

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    1. Re:high building standards by Tickety-boo · · Score: 1

      This may sound facetious, but I had a similar question the first time I saw a large Sodium-sulfide (NaS) battery. It was the size of a garden shed, and basically was filled with molten sodium. The engineers said that it was safe from thunderstorms, tornadoes, tree falls, and earthquakes. My first question was "it is safe from two or three of those if they happen at the same time?"

      A now very pale engineer answered "no". I guess they hadn't considered a tree falling on it in the rain, and we all know how much fun sodium is when it gets wet...

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    2. Re:high building standards by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about a tornado, earthquake, and fire at the same time?

      What, did you get bored playing Sim-City? ('cept you forgot the alien attack!?)

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    3. Re:high building standards by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      ...we all know how much fun sodium is when it gets wet...

      I suppose you make sure your table salt doesn't get wet either, eh? It's got the same chemical structure and behaves similarly to sodiumsulfide because they are both salts. Wet NaS is no more going to have a violent chemical reaction with water than NaCl (aka table salt) will.

      Now, what might be a danger would be the incredibly massive transfer of thermal energy from the molten NaS to water, probably creating a super-heated steam almost instantly. I could see the area around a NaS battery becoming quite dangerous if rainwater made it past the casing, 500 degree water vapor is dangerous shit. It's still not a sodium/water explosion though.

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    4. Re:high building standards by Pence128 · · Score: 1

      It's Sodium sulphide only when completely discharged. At full charge, it's liquid sodium.

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  7. Re:What about fire? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Good point. Would the Gas piping also survive? If not, the fire would probably kill it.

    Also, Would it make sense to have the sprinkler system go off in the case of an earthquake? Or would that be just as likely destroyed as the natural Gase pipes?

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  8. cheaters never prosper by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yea those cheaters, I bet they didn't use wooden nails either!

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    1. Re:cheaters never prosper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're called pegs.

  9. Re:What about fire? by fastest+fascist · · Score: 1

    This is a good question, especially since fires and earthquakes tend to go hand-in-hand. I certainly hope they don't use gas in these buildings.

  10. Unimpressive... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know what they are trying to prove with this crap here but I am not at all impressed by that video -- I mean the building is completely empty and naked! Wouldn't the siding, roofing, walls, doors, windows, people, and furnishings make the building more heavy (and more likely to collapse)? Wouldn't the plumbing make the building more rigid and again, more likely to collapse? If I am incorrect please let me know, but it seems to me that this experiment proves precisely nothing.

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    1. Re:Unimpressive... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please. How much exactly do you think is known about keeping buildings together in an earthquake? The body of knowledge is improving, but there is still a lot we don't know. These guys have developed a way that will keep buildings together better than what we had previously. Even if no one ever actually builds a seven story condo, this is knowledge that will help in any kind of wood construction.

      Besides, if you are not impressed then you missed the coolest part of the video. They have a platform there that can move a million pound structure around in simulation of a real earthquake. If that's not cool technology, I don't know what is.

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    2. Re:Unimpressive... by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be interesting to see how a traditionally constructed wooden building fares in that test. If, built out to the same level, a traditional structure collapses like it's made of toothpicks, then this proves something quite significant.

    3. Re:Unimpressive... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, things like siding would just have to be torn off, to make sure the inside structure was still sound. You don't want to cover up the core structure for cosmetic reasons.. Also, that stuff does not really add much weight, and would be more likely to suffer damage, (ie, windows cracking, siding torn, Kitchen cabinets damaged, etc) that would not damage the integrity of the building, IE, they don't care if they have to replace the windows, the key is that the building doesn't collapse.

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    4. Re:Unimpressive... by timeOday · · Score: 1

      If only they had consulted you before wasting all that time and effort.

    5. Re:Unimpressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are unimpressed!? They build a gigantic warehouse with a whole goddamn 7-story apartment building inside, on top of a giant machine that can rock the whole damn thing in a simulation of a 7.5 earthquake, and you are UNIMPRESSED?

      They do all this, and when they run it the entire building basically sways a little and sustains almost no structural damage, and you are unimpressed because they didn't put siding on it!?

      Dude, get a grip!

    6. Re:Unimpressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      That "crap" is a lab experiment. It's a proof of concept well ahead of anything we've had yet. Also it's "empty and naked" to see what's going on with the structure during the shake. I wish we had the internal footage -- those are always wonderfully dramatic.

      Your attitude is akin to saying every mission before Apollo 11 was crap, that "proves precisely nothing". Reel it in an maybe more people will bother to have conversations with you, and you'll become less ignorant.

      Yes, all the missing items have effects, though not necessarily what one would expect, and seldom simple. Drywall for instance is very heavy but also makes studwalls into box structures. Plumbing, even loaded, is relatively light. That's more of a rigidity issue -- you have to investigate questions like does the plumbing tear out critical portions of this structure -- does it need specially designed bays, different attachment, or can it be installed as we've been doing?

      Minor disclaimer: I used to be a carpenter out here on the West Coast. I find this stuff fascinating and rather overdue. The curious should dig around. There's some great vids of the structures the Japanese have put on earthquake-tables. Sometimes fully furnished condos with internal footage.

    7. Re:Unimpressive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you think of a building sitting on the ground, think of it as a balloon. By volume, it's an order of magnitude lighter than soil. And no, plumbling, electrical and the stuff inside does not add rigidity, except where designed to do so (shear walls.)

    8. Re:Unimpressive... by frogzilla · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually the building had steel plates on each floor to represent the real weight of the finishing materials and furnishings. There were a few dummy rooms with furnishing etc. Earthquakes don't look that bad from a distance. The shaking is strong though and the building has to stand up to it. Some of the forces exerted are stronger than gravity (the Northridge quake apparently exceeded 1.0 g -- up to 1.8 I think). In this case they are testing a new construction design and want to see if the real building matches their (computer) models.

    9. Re:Unimpressive... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      I mean the building is completely empty and naked!

      I didn't RTFA or watch the video, but now I'm tempted. After all, what geek can possibly resist a video about anything that's naked, even a building? Pr0n!

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    10. Re:Unimpressive... by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know what they are trying to prove with this crap here but I am not at all impressed by that video -- I mean the building is completely empty and naked! Wouldn't the siding, roofing, walls, doors, windows, people, and furnishings make the building more heavy (and more likely to collapse)? Wouldn't the plumbing make the building more rigid and again, more likely to collapse?

      Not plumbing. Neither copper nor plastic (and I doubt they'll be using cast iron in new construction) has enough rigidity to make the building more rigid, particularly since it isn't even tied into the structure (it's just on sheet-metal hangars, unless that's different in earthquake areas).

  11. Re:What about fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Duh, haven't you ever heard of asbestos?

  12. the purpose is to survive not to last. by Brigadier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Believe it or not current structural code functions to provide surviveability for it's occupants. I'm an architect in southern california and prior to 1997 buildings were designed to basically allow occupants to escape, however due to the financial toll of northridge the structural code was revamped to prevent flexing which would result in the building not having sever cosmetic damage. This however resulted in drastically increased construction costs. The fact is you want a building that will flex as opposed to break. It always cracks me up because there is a war between wood mfgs and steel mfgs. Currently your typical stick framed building stops at three stories (in southern california) after this you need to switch to steel or concrete. Manufactureres like simpson strong tie are working hard to push the limit of wood to allow them a greater market share.

  13. But! by TasmanianX · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    Can I be the first to make the "Would it survive Godzilla?" comment.

    1. Re:But! by Flea+of+Pain · · Score: 1, Redundant

      More importantly...will it blend?

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      You must wait for the test on the E-Defense Godzilla table, planned for next month.

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  14. good luck with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's impressive and all, but good luck finding a contractor who will actually build the entire building totally to spec.

  15. Condo? How does the author know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could've been a rental, really.

    It's called an APARTMENT BUILDING, not a "condo", you potato!

  16. 6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by euyis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The Yingzhou zhi records that there was a total of seven earthquakes between the years 1056 and 1103, yet the tower stood firm."
    Pagoda of Fogong Temple

    1. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

      But who knows how large the earthquakes were. Any structure could probably survive a good amount of tiny-ish earthquakes.

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    2. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      But who knows how large the earthquakes were. Any structure could probably survive a good amount of tiny-ish earthquakes.

      This is easily fixed; just edit the Wikipedia entry to indicate that they were all 6.0 magnitude plus.

    3. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my expert geological opinion, the pagoda survived a series of magnitude 10.0+ earthquakes that tore open great holes in the earth and unleashed a horde of demons from Hell. You may now cite this post as a source on Wikipedia.

    4. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Pfft, nowhere near good enough, the earthquake in the store was one and a half orders of magnitude larger than a 6.0.

      7.0 or bust (literally!).

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    5. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The temple pagodas in Japan are constructed so that floors can slide on top of one another around a central axis to scatter quake's energy.
      Also for the same reason roof tiles fall when the building shake too much (killing people in the process).
      This allows them to survive even strong earthquakes.
      Pagodas are usually between 5 and 7 storey high but impractical for living (quite small living space, no plumbing possible, ...).

    6. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by euyis · · Score: 1

      There are no records since it's AD 1056, at that time the Richter scale wasn't born yet.
      But it's said that one earthquake lasted for more than seven days, and almost leveled all buildings nearby.

  17. Re:What about fire? by sammyF70 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't make a difference, does it? I mean : your standard steel or concrete house will burn as well as a wooden one, unless it's completely empty of any inflammable materials (and even then, I'm not sure it would be structurally okay once the flames are out).

    I'm living in a wooden house (although it's only 2 stories high), and we had an approximately 1minute long 7.4 earthquake slightly over a year ago (just two months after being visited by a hurricane actually). From what my sister in law who was in it at the time tells me, the house shook like hell. After the quake, it was structurally intact. All the concrete houses I saw afterward on the island, on the other hand, had extra aeration where the walls had split, most had internal water leakage (that's what you get for having the water conduits in the walls) and at least 2 had to be destroyed and rebuilt completely.

    To be fair, I should note that our wooden house fared way worse than the concrete ones during the hurricane (mostly the roof that was swept away, as it was designed to)

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  18. 7.5? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I assumed they arrived at 7.5 by testing that, then testing 7.6 and the building collapsed. I was all excited to see a video of the building collapsing and what do I see? 3 seconds of shake and 40 seconds of nothing!

  19. Jell-O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just need Bill Cosby now to do a wooden Jell-o Commercial!

  20. Realities of life by elbiatcho1 · · Score: 1

    Termites and mold may have a field day with this structure.

    1. Re:Realities of life by 3waygeek · · Score: 1

      Not as big a problem as it might seem. As pointed out upthread, the structure was constructed with a lot of engineered lumber. The binders in the engineered lumber probably have some inherent insect & mold deterrent properties, which could be bolstered by the addition of insecticide and/or fungicide.

    2. Re:Realities of life by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      not if you build it right. its a simple matter to keep termites out (you use treated lumber for all your sill-plates) and the trick to keeping mold out, is to not let the damn thing get rained on and then slap all the siding and what not on. if its dry when you side and roof it, no mold. i've seen wooden houses over 100 years old in areas prone to both, and when built correctly, the problems are nil.

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  21. Re:What about fire? by value_added · · Score: 1

    your standard steel or concrete house will burn as well as a wooden one, unless it's completely empty of any inflammable materials

    Oddly enough (and assuming you meant to write "flammable" instead of "inflammable"), straw houses which are traditional post and beam construction with infill, are very fire resistant.

  22. Re:What about fire? by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

    yes. sorry. that's what I meant :)

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  23. Yes, it's "wood", but... by G-Man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer: IAAAS/IANYAA (I am an architecture student/I am not yet an architect).

    Good for them, but it doesn't really surprise me that you can make a building of that type/size earthquake-resistant. While the building is technically "wood", they are using a lot of engineered lumber (lumber that is made from particles/chips of wood held together with a binder). Looking at the pictures in the article, the building is sheathed in OSB (oriented strand board), which acts as a very good shear panel. The floors are supported using TJIs (Truss Joist I-Beams), where the top and bottom of the TJI is made of laminated wood and OSB is used as the webbing of the truss. These things are very strong, and they are anchored on the ends with galvanized steel hangars, which are very secure. The weak point in wood structures is frequently in how the pieces are joined together, and the hangars largely address that. Engineered lumber is increasingly popular in US wood construction, not for earthquake reasons, but because it is very consistent - it comes in the exact size you order, doesn't warp/twist/bow, etc., and it doesn't have knotholes. Where this building uses regular milled lumber they often stack it 6-7 deep to make columns.

    They are still using steel - in the foundation and in the tiedown system, to do critical structural work. Nothing wrong with that, it's the smart thing to do. Steel has awesome tensile strength.

    My guess is that a mid-rise made using this method would be significantly cheaper than reinforced concrete, and somewhat cheaper than steel. The difference is that a steel framed building will be put together by skilled welders, while the framers putting this building up will tend to be of a lower skill level - one reason this building would be cheaper - and you'll have to keep a closer eye on the construction. Given the need for engineered lumber, selective use of steel, and close attention to how the building is put together, I don't see this as a panacea for earthquake-resistant housing in the third-world. I'm sure they would love it in California, though. The big challenge is ensuring consistent construction and getting the changes in the building code (particularly in CA, which is more earthquake conscious than other states). Beyond that, it's just a question of cost.

    1. Re:Yes, it's "wood", but... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      You can't be an architecture student.

      You appear to understand structures.

      Get your ass over to the engineering school and design buildings that should be torn down.

      Let the architects get back to design buildings that will fall down.

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    2. Re:Yes, it's "wood", but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that a steel framed building will be put together by skilled welders, while the framers putting this building up will tend to be of a lower skill level

      Speaking as a professional frame carpenter who as worked in the trade for over 10 years I am annoyed but not surprised to hear this sort of blatant prejudice from an architect who has yet to attain minimum competence in their field. You should try spending a few years in the real world before making blanket statements about the level of skill and professionalism in jobs you know little about.

    3. Re:Yes, it's "wood", but... by MtViewGuy · · Score: 1

      If I remember correctly, pagoda temples built in Japan are famous for their earthquake-proof designs because the design of the pagoda itself and the use of hardwood structural members meant the building would absorb the shock of an earthquake, which meant the building could even survive the occasional very strong earthquake that are common in Japan.

      Indeed, the Taipei 101 skyscraper uses the same structural principle found in Japanese pagodas in order to withstand the earthquakes that happen on the island of Taiwan.

    4. Re:Yes, it's "wood", but... by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Oh for mod points.

  24. Code enforcement by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's no technical problem making a wood building that strong. It's the enforcement that's the problem. Wood has good tensile strength, but the joints usually used in wood construction don't.

    A few years ago, after some hurricanes, many Florida builders were discovered not to be building to code. Hurricane-proofing for small wood structures mostly consists of putting in metal brackets at joints to give wood-to-wood joints tensile strength. Not only do the brackets have to be put in, nails have to be hammered into all the holes in the brackets. Many contractors were sloppy about that, resulting in a big loss of tensile strength and major damage (like roofs ripped off) during hurricanes.

    A big problem in the Third World is bad concrete mixes. Much concrete construction goes up without enough cement in the mix, and that results in building collapses.

    Here's a good project for someone - develop a low-cost hand held device for concrete testing. The existing techniques are slow, labor-intensive, and a pain to use. Tests for hardened concrete usually involve cutting out a plug and sending it to a lab elsewhere. Small portable devices would be a big help here.

    1. Re:Code enforcement by Hubbell · · Score: 1, Informative

      Uh, concrete testing is done via filling multiple plastic cylinders with concrete as it comes off of each truck to cure for 21-28 days prior to being test for strength, atleast here in CT.

    2. Re:Code enforcement by Animats · · Score: 1

      Uh, concrete testing is done via filling multiple plastic cylinders with concrete as it comes off of each truck to cure for 21-28 days prior to being test for strength, atleast here in CT.

      That's the problem. You know 21 days after the pour if the concrete is no good. That kind of testing only works with a strong enforcement bureaucracy behind it.

    3. Re:Code enforcement by Hubbell · · Score: 0

      Not really. If the concrete fails the company that supplied it has to pay for it to be demoed out + reformed + repoured. That's just common sense right there.

  25. Re:What about fire? by srussia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oddly enough (and assuming you meant to write "flammable" instead of "inflammable")...

    Oddly enough, "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing.

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  26. Re:What about fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, but he meant to say flammable instead of inflammable.

  27. Re:What about fire? by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

    maybe "he" is not a native english speaker and just used the french word, which incidentally exists in english too?

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  28. fire is no problem by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wood is inflammable!

  29. Re:What about fire? by sunking2 · · Score: 1

    What about the big bad wolf?

  30. Re:What about fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In earthquake prone areas, all buildings are fitted with automatic shut-off valves which cut the gas supply outside the building in case of shaking. The procedure is to then inspect the building before resetting this safety valve.

  31. Re:What about fire? by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Generally speaking, a properly impregnated wooden house will last longer than a concrete one. An even the ones which were not impregnated will still have the large beam structure standing after burning down. That is because the outer wood burns, becomes coal and does not let enough oxygen to the wood so it can continue to burn.

  32. Will it blend? by Scragglykat · · Score: 1

    I'm not convinced that this structure could withstand a Blendtec assault...

  33. Re:What about fire? by lgw · · Score: 1

    "Flammable" is a silly word (although I'm sure it's crept into dictionaries by now). "Inflammable" means "likely to burst into flame". Because this confused the illiterate, people wisely started using "flammable" on warning signs, and now it's as common as "ain't". "Inflammable" remains the better word.

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  34. Ooooh impressive .. not! by MarkTina · · Score: 1

    NZ just had a 7.8 quake that barely woke up the sheep! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10584761 Seriously though, bugger all people live down there so the biggest report of damage I heard of was some traffic lights falling over. :-)

    1. Re:Ooooh impressive .. not! by miasmic · · Score: 1

      NZ just had a 7.8 quake that barely woke up the sheep! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10584761 Seriously though, bugger all people live down there so the biggest report of damage I heard of was some traffic lights falling over. :-)

      Yeah 7.5 isn't a huge Quake - they say the next big one to hit the Alpine Fault in South Westland or Nelson Lakes could easily be a 9.0+. If this is intended for California I really think it should be designed to withstand an 8.0 which is supposedly about the maximum the greater Los Angeles area could be subject to, I don't think it's possible to claim anything like they have invented an "earthquake-proof house".

  35. Re:What about fire? by sexconker · · Score: 1

    They kinda mean the same thing though...
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  36. another rigged 7th floor wooden house at 7.2 mag. by Mr_Nitro · · Score: 1

    Rigged and working, more or less same wooden strucuture as the one in the article... plus some inside weights and plumbings/electric rig.. italian engineering on japanese test lab... too bad they didn't use these when earthquake struck... (www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q_ytmwyzY )

  37. I'm a little underwhelmed by caluml · · Score: 1

    I have to admit that I'm a little underwhelmed by the video. I watched it, and about halfway through was thinking: They must ramp it right up at the end.

    *That* was 7.5? It looked very tame.
    I do live in the notoriously un-earthquakey British Isles though, so perhaps I'm lacking perspective.

    1. Re:I'm a little underwhelmed by orngjce223 · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's 7.5 in miniature. Believe me, you don't want to be in that building during the shaking...

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    2. Re:I'm a little underwhelmed by caluml · · Score: 1

      Actually, I would - I'd love to experience one. (Assuming survival with all faculties intact).

    3. Re:I'm a little underwhelmed by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      I have to admit that I'm a little underwhelmed by the video.

      Same here, I didn't think much of the video. However someone posted a link to a video of the inside. I saw that and said that's more like it.

      Falcon

    4. Re:I'm a little underwhelmed by caluml · · Score: 1

      Aaah :) That's more like it.

      I'd still like to experience it though.

    5. Re:I'm a little underwhelmed by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Aaah :) That's more like it.

      I'd still like to experience it though.

      Same here. I don't know if I've ever been in an earthquake but I've been in severe thunderstorms and had close encounters with hurricanes. Growing up in Florida friends of mine and I had this saying, it was easy to tell a true Floridian from a transplant, when a hurricane comes along the Floridian says it's tyme to batten the hatches whereas the transplant panics, throws up his arms in the air, and screams "Let's get out of here."

      Falcon

  38. Re:What about fire? by kalirion · · Score: 1

    What a country!

  39. Re:What about fire? by srussia · · Score: 1

    What a country!

    My nick ain't "srussia" for nothin'!

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  40. Re:What about fire? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Then why are there still fires associated with Earthquakes? Or was the regulation put into place after the Nothridge earthquake?

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  41. Re:What about fire? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
    Then why are there still fires associated with Earthquakes?

    Let's say that you and your MOTAS are having a romantic candlelight dinner when the earthquake hits. All it takes is one of the candles falling on the right spot and you've got an earthquake-caused fire even if it's an all-electric home. Or, if you prefer, you're making fish and chips and the quake spills the grease from the fryer onto a hot burner. There are lots of ways to start a fire during an earthquake even if the gas (if you have it) turns off. And, of course, there's always the gas inside the pipes that can get out even after the shutoff valve activates.

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  42. Re:What about fire? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
    Oddly enough (and assuming you meant to write "flammable" instead of "inflammable"),

    Why? Inflammable means easily set on fire, not fireproof. "Flammable" is a neologism created by people who clearly made the same wrong (but reasonable) assumption that you just did.

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  43. "Inflammable" remains the better word. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    "Inflammable" means "likely to burst into flame". Because this confused the illiterate

    Confused the illiterate? Literally one meaning of the prefix "in-" is not as in "insane", not sane. Or "inseparable", not separable. Following the rule "inflammable" would mean "not flammable", so "flammable" is the better word for easy to burn. What is confusing is changing the rules.

    But then again, English is a Crazy Language. In what other language does feet smell and noses run. Or look at the plural of tooth, "teeth". Why isn't the plural of "booth" "beeth"?

    Falcon

    1. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by adonoman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet no one gets confused about the meaning "inflamation". If "flammable" was never used, there'd be no confusion about "inflammable".

    2. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      And yet no one gets confused about the meaning "inflamation".

      Maybe that's because an inflammation, with two "m"s is a swelling and is usually accompanied by heat.

      Falcon

    3. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by KillerBob · · Score: 1

      "inflammable" means that the substance in question can inflame. "inflame" is the verb which means "to begin to burn". It is *exactly* the same verb that's the source of the word "inflammation", which in medical terms refers to the heat that's given off by the extra blood flow to the affected area.

      It's not a question of "in" being a prefix. In this word it's not a prefix. It's part of the root of the word.

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    4. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      in-flamable is just the english word every native english speaker should use for "not flamable", your logic only makes sense if you are not an native english speaker.

      "in" is not only a synonym for "not" but also an emphasizing prefix. All over europe (and that is where modern english has its origin from):
      spanish: inflameable -> inflamable, german: in-flame-able -> ent-flamm-bar, italian: inflameable -> accendibile / in-fiamm-abile.

      "In" does not mean "un" in general in english. "In" means "empore".

      Afer all "inflaming" a fire means to light a fire, or not?

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    5. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by lgw · · Score: 1

      Yup, the "in-" prefix means both "not" and "lots" (both from latin roots, unlike most collisions like that). English, infamous for its ingenuity in incorporating informative infixes.

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    6. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      in-flamable is just the english word every native english speaker should use for "not flamable", your logic only makes sense if you are not an native english speaker.

      That's what I said, and I am a native English speaker.

      Falcon

  44. let me put up a light by markringen · · Score: 1

    let me put up a light, and see how quickly it is burned to the ground.

    1. Re:let me put up a light by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wooden structures actually have a better rating than steel. Wood chars and the layer of charcoal on the outside protects the core so that it does not collapse so quickly. Meanwhile steel heats up very quickly and goes soft and collapses. So there is a longer time available to get out of the wooden structure. Reinforced concrete is also good, as the concrete protects the steel for quite a while. Fire ratings are on the time the structure is good for...the assumption is that the building is not going to be any good afterwards, but the longer it stays up the longer there is to get people out and get the fire under control.

    2. Re:let me put up a light by markringen · · Score: 1

      my house is all stone. no wooden or steel supports.

  45. Watch the video from inside the building. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Where is it? I didn't see a link to a video of it inside. Not labeled as such that is.

    Falcon

    1. Re:Watch the video from inside the building. by StaticEngine · · Score: 1
    2. Re:Watch the video from inside the building. by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4324941.html

      Second video down.

      Thanks, someone had posted a link above. While the outside video doesn't look like much, maybe because of scale, the one inside does.

      What I find real amazing is that a big enough table was made that was capable of having a building that big built on it then have the table shaken like that. It reminds me of the aircraft catapults on carriers.

      Falcon

  46. And the Big Bad Wolf? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This straw bale construction thing very interesting.

    Why are they very fire resistant? Uninformed intuition on my part has me thinking exactly the opposite.

    What are the costs involved and is this a California only thing?

    I wouldn't mind learning the the construction techniques for building them but I don't know if I could ever live in one. I'd never hear the end of the huff and puff jokes.

  47. Will anything be built like this? by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    Maybe not, but it's interesting anyway.

    I read an article along this line earlier this year. Wooden buildings have a better survival rate on the Indian subcontinent, in India and Pakistan than stone buildings. Whereas wood ones can last centuries stone ones don't last as long.

    Falcon

  48. The Big Bad Wolf said... by deathpulse · · Score: 1

    I see your house is made of WOOD! I will HUFF and PUFF aaaaaannnnddd.... Oh .. wait.. HAX0RZ!!!

  49. wonderful by zonker · · Score: 0

    But how well will this same building design do when built by the lowest bidder? You know, a realistic scenario?

  50. Re:What about fire? by plover · · Score: 1

    Oddly enough (and assuming you meant to write "flammable" instead of "inflammable")...

    Oddly enough, "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing.

    Yeah, that was a painful lesson!

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  51. DO NOT try this test in China! by droidsURlooking4 · · Score: 1
  52. Re:What about fire? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Just recalling incidents from 89 where I remember there being fires caused by ruptured gas lines. Could be wrong.

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  53. Pretty short earthquake by nytes · · Score: 1

    So the entire video was 45 seconds long, of which about 10-15 seconds seemed to be the actual earthquake. Isn't "the Big One" (in my state of California) supposed to be somewhere about 5-7 minutes?

    Also, did their model include refrigerators, washers, dryers, dishwashers, and all the other stuff that would be loaded into such a building? Or did they build an empty box and call it a "condo".

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  54. Re:What about fire? by Harold+Hill · · Score: 1

    One of the weirdest bits of labeling I have ever seen was a caution that the contests of a bottle were "not non-inflammable".

  55. the "in-" prefix means both "not" and "lots" by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    I don't recall the "in-" prefix means "lots" so I checked my dictionaries, I have 4, as well as OneLook. With OneLook I checked the first 10 links to the definition and not one gave "lots" as a definition. Now "in" as in into and "towards" was given as well as other definitions but not "lots". Can you give an example of it used that way?

    I'll feel real stupid after you give one.

    Falcon

    1. Re:the "in-" prefix means both "not" and "lots" by lgw · · Score: 1

      The "in-" prefix is used as an intensifier ("towards" for verbs, but the stronger "has" or even "has lots" for adjectives). Each of the examples I gave above were different places along that spectrum. Ingenious as "has the generative nature", infamous as "overly famous" or "ill-famed" but not "non-famous". Incorporate as "create body" (but incorporeal as "without body"). "Inform" as "create form" (but also "without form" in older usage, amusingly). Even my accidental example, "intense" as "has lots of tendency". In-/ensure as "make very sure". Many more examples could be given.

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  56. O RLY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    did you ever wonder if the poster was making a joke?