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7-Story Wooden Condo Survives 7.5 Magnitude Quake

Mike writes "Earthquake news abounds as of late — recently a team of researchers from five universities unveiled an seven-story earthquake-proof wooden building that is capable of withstanding severe earthquakes. Featuring a structurally efficient nail distribution and a 63 anchor tie down system, the wooden condominium survived a test using an E-Defense shake table, which simulated a 7.5 magnitude quake (check out the video!)"

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  1. Lasts? by FredFredrickson · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The question is- does it last in such a way that you just keep living like nothing happened after the quake? or.. lasts, as in, doesn't kill everybody in and around the building, but you probably want a new one if it goes through an earthquake even once..

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    1. Re:Lasts? by mpapet · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The general idea is to have the building _not_ collapse on top of you.

      As a lifetime resident of Los Angeles that's experienced all of the big quakes back to the 1970's, I've been in stick construction houses for all of the quakes and didn't even experience a broken window. They shake like crazy and it's loud as hell in the big ones, but the stick design is very flexible.

      The older homes here 1930's have foundation problems more than anything else in the big ones. They tend to be lathe/plaster walls, but still stick-style construction. I don't know what's different about those. There are *very* few if any of the really old adobe-style houses left. Not because of earthquakes though.

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    2. Re:Lasts? by Shikaku · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yeah, why would you make this kind of technology on such shaky grounds anyway?

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  3. Sensationalist headline by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Simulations are nice and all, but it's a bit inaccurate to say it "survived a 7.5 magnitude quake" when it didn't actually.

    Also, adding in 63 steel rods seems to defeat the purpose of calling it a "wooden building".

    1. Re:Sensationalist headline by Brigadier · · Score: 2, Insightful

      the whole purpose of something like this is to justify wood as a acceptable material for 3 or more stories (well in california) by doing this they increase the market share of wood. See simpson strong tie.... truth is this was an empty home with no realistic live loads. ie file cabinets couches TV etc. You also have to add dead loads like windows, doors finishes etc.

    2. Re:Sensationalist headline by socrplayr813 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simulations are nice and all, but it's a bit inaccurate to say it "survived a 7.5 magnitude quake" when it didn't actually.

      You're just arguing semantics. The forces applied by these shake tables are close enough to the real thing to give us a good idea of what the building can survive. Yes, you can argue "it's not a real quake," but that's pointless. Are they supposed to wait for a real quake for their test?

      Also, adding in 63 steel rods seems to defeat the purpose of calling it a "wooden building".

      As others have said, they're just trying to provide evidence that wood is a viable building material for larger buildings.

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  4. Orwellian by pushing-robot · · Score: 4, Informative

    seven-story earthquake-proof wooden building

    There! Are! Six! Floors!

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    1. Re:Orwellian by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Funny

      "There! Are! Six! Floors!"

      Hmm... that's what I count too. Maybe they're using that new math, where the roof counts? Looks flat, you could probably put some tents on it and someone would rent it, especially in LA.

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    2. Re:Orwellian by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Funny

      They were including the story about it surviving the magnitude 7.5 quake.

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  5. high building standards by OrangeTide · · Score: 2, Funny

    How about a tornado, earthquake, and fire at the same time?

    When 2012 comes will it protect me from the hordes of flesh eating locusts?

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    1. Re:high building standards by mcrbids · · Score: 2, Funny

      How about a tornado, earthquake, and fire at the same time?

      What, did you get bored playing Sim-City? ('cept you forgot the alien attack!?)

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  6. cheaters never prosper by OrangeTide · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yea those cheaters, I bet they didn't use wooden nails either!

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  7. Unimpressive... by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know what they are trying to prove with this crap here but I am not at all impressed by that video -- I mean the building is completely empty and naked! Wouldn't the siding, roofing, walls, doors, windows, people, and furnishings make the building more heavy (and more likely to collapse)? Wouldn't the plumbing make the building more rigid and again, more likely to collapse? If I am incorrect please let me know, but it seems to me that this experiment proves precisely nothing.

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    1. Re:Unimpressive... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please. How much exactly do you think is known about keeping buildings together in an earthquake? The body of knowledge is improving, but there is still a lot we don't know. These guys have developed a way that will keep buildings together better than what we had previously. Even if no one ever actually builds a seven story condo, this is knowledge that will help in any kind of wood construction.

      Besides, if you are not impressed then you missed the coolest part of the video. They have a platform there that can move a million pound structure around in simulation of a real earthquake. If that's not cool technology, I don't know what is.

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    2. Re:Unimpressive... by tool462 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It would be interesting to see how a traditionally constructed wooden building fares in that test. If, built out to the same level, a traditional structure collapses like it's made of toothpicks, then this proves something quite significant.

    3. Re:Unimpressive... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, things like siding would just have to be torn off, to make sure the inside structure was still sound. You don't want to cover up the core structure for cosmetic reasons.. Also, that stuff does not really add much weight, and would be more likely to suffer damage, (ie, windows cracking, siding torn, Kitchen cabinets damaged, etc) that would not damage the integrity of the building, IE, they don't care if they have to replace the windows, the key is that the building doesn't collapse.

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    4. Re:Unimpressive... by frogzilla · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually the building had steel plates on each floor to represent the real weight of the finishing materials and furnishings. There were a few dummy rooms with furnishing etc. Earthquakes don't look that bad from a distance. The shaking is strong though and the building has to stand up to it. Some of the forces exerted are stronger than gravity (the Northridge quake apparently exceeded 1.0 g -- up to 1.8 I think). In this case they are testing a new construction design and want to see if the real building matches their (computer) models.

    5. Re:Unimpressive... by russotto · · Score: 3, Informative

      I don't know what they are trying to prove with this crap here but I am not at all impressed by that video -- I mean the building is completely empty and naked! Wouldn't the siding, roofing, walls, doors, windows, people, and furnishings make the building more heavy (and more likely to collapse)? Wouldn't the plumbing make the building more rigid and again, more likely to collapse?

      Not plumbing. Neither copper nor plastic (and I doubt they'll be using cast iron in new construction) has enough rigidity to make the building more rigid, particularly since it isn't even tied into the structure (it's just on sheet-metal hangars, unless that's different in earthquake areas).

  8. Re:What about fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Duh, haven't you ever heard of asbestos?

  9. the purpose is to survive not to last. by Brigadier · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Believe it or not current structural code functions to provide surviveability for it's occupants. I'm an architect in southern california and prior to 1997 buildings were designed to basically allow occupants to escape, however due to the financial toll of northridge the structural code was revamped to prevent flexing which would result in the building not having sever cosmetic damage. This however resulted in drastically increased construction costs. The fact is you want a building that will flex as opposed to break. It always cracks me up because there is a war between wood mfgs and steel mfgs. Currently your typical stick framed building stops at three stories (in southern california) after this you need to switch to steel or concrete. Manufactureres like simpson strong tie are working hard to push the limit of wood to allow them a greater market share.

  10. Re:uh, wow? by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed."

    You want impressive? Try this video. Skip to 4:35 if you wanna see the dining room.

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  11. 6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by euyis · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "The Yingzhou zhi records that there was a total of seven earthquakes between the years 1056 and 1103, yet the tower stood firm."
    Pagoda of Fogong Temple

    1. Re:6-Story Wooden Pagoda Survived 7 Earthquakes by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

      But who knows how large the earthquakes were. Any structure could probably survive a good amount of tiny-ish earthquakes.

      This is easily fixed; just edit the Wikipedia entry to indicate that they were all 6.0 magnitude plus.

  12. Re:uh, wow? by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Here's another link of a dining room, but this time it's for the wooden building in the article. Last post was a link for a different building test.

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  13. Re:uh, wow? by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also it was really light... no siding, no SHINGLES, no furniture, probably no plumbing. NOT impressed.

    Yeah, they could have made it much cooler with computer generated graphics, instead they probably blew their whole production budget on the world's largest shake table, a million pounds of wood, and a huge team of highly trained Japanese scientists and engineers. If nothing else, it needs more fire, and way more Godzilla. Two thumbs down!

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  14. Re:What about fire? by sammyF70 · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't make a difference, does it? I mean : your standard steel or concrete house will burn as well as a wooden one, unless it's completely empty of any inflammable materials (and even then, I'm not sure it would be structurally okay once the flames are out).

    I'm living in a wooden house (although it's only 2 stories high), and we had an approximately 1minute long 7.4 earthquake slightly over a year ago (just two months after being visited by a hurricane actually). From what my sister in law who was in it at the time tells me, the house shook like hell. After the quake, it was structurally intact. All the concrete houses I saw afterward on the island, on the other hand, had extra aeration where the walls had split, most had internal water leakage (that's what you get for having the water conduits in the walls) and at least 2 had to be destroyed and rebuilt completely.

    To be fair, I should note that our wooden house fared way worse than the concrete ones during the hurricane (mostly the roof that was swept away, as it was designed to)

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  15. Yes, it's "wood", but... by G-Man · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer: IAAAS/IANYAA (I am an architecture student/I am not yet an architect).

    Good for them, but it doesn't really surprise me that you can make a building of that type/size earthquake-resistant. While the building is technically "wood", they are using a lot of engineered lumber (lumber that is made from particles/chips of wood held together with a binder). Looking at the pictures in the article, the building is sheathed in OSB (oriented strand board), which acts as a very good shear panel. The floors are supported using TJIs (Truss Joist I-Beams), where the top and bottom of the TJI is made of laminated wood and OSB is used as the webbing of the truss. These things are very strong, and they are anchored on the ends with galvanized steel hangars, which are very secure. The weak point in wood structures is frequently in how the pieces are joined together, and the hangars largely address that. Engineered lumber is increasingly popular in US wood construction, not for earthquake reasons, but because it is very consistent - it comes in the exact size you order, doesn't warp/twist/bow, etc., and it doesn't have knotholes. Where this building uses regular milled lumber they often stack it 6-7 deep to make columns.

    They are still using steel - in the foundation and in the tiedown system, to do critical structural work. Nothing wrong with that, it's the smart thing to do. Steel has awesome tensile strength.

    My guess is that a mid-rise made using this method would be significantly cheaper than reinforced concrete, and somewhat cheaper than steel. The difference is that a steel framed building will be put together by skilled welders, while the framers putting this building up will tend to be of a lower skill level - one reason this building would be cheaper - and you'll have to keep a closer eye on the construction. Given the need for engineered lumber, selective use of steel, and close attention to how the building is put together, I don't see this as a panacea for earthquake-resistant housing in the third-world. I'm sure they would love it in California, though. The big challenge is ensuring consistent construction and getting the changes in the building code (particularly in CA, which is more earthquake conscious than other states). Beyond that, it's just a question of cost.

  16. Code enforcement by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There's no technical problem making a wood building that strong. It's the enforcement that's the problem. Wood has good tensile strength, but the joints usually used in wood construction don't.

    A few years ago, after some hurricanes, many Florida builders were discovered not to be building to code. Hurricane-proofing for small wood structures mostly consists of putting in metal brackets at joints to give wood-to-wood joints tensile strength. Not only do the brackets have to be put in, nails have to be hammered into all the holes in the brackets. Many contractors were sloppy about that, resulting in a big loss of tensile strength and major damage (like roofs ripped off) during hurricanes.

    A big problem in the Third World is bad concrete mixes. Much concrete construction goes up without enough cement in the mix, and that results in building collapses.

    Here's a good project for someone - develop a low-cost hand held device for concrete testing. The existing techniques are slow, labor-intensive, and a pain to use. Tests for hardened concrete usually involve cutting out a plug and sending it to a lab elsewhere. Small portable devices would be a big help here.

  17. Re:What about fire? by srussia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oddly enough (and assuming you meant to write "flammable" instead of "inflammable")...

    Oddly enough, "flammable" and "inflammable" mean the same thing.

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  18. fire is no problem by commodoresloat · · Score: 2, Funny

    Wood is inflammable!

  19. Re:uh, wow? by frogzilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Two houses. One reinforced. Shaken at the same time.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc652Zp5qWk

  20. Re:"Inflammable" remains the better word. by adonoman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And yet no one gets confused about the meaning "inflamation". If "flammable" was never used, there'd be no confusion about "inflammable".