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The Rocky Road To Wind Power

Hugh Pickens writes "The NY Times has an interesting story on the logistical problems involved in transporting disassembled towers that will reach more than 250 feet in height from ports or factories to the remote, windy destinations where the turbines are erected. In Idaho trucks laden with tall turbine parts have slammed into interstate overpasses requiring hundreds of thousands of dollars in repairs. In Texas the constant truck traffic is tearing up small roads in the western part of the state where the turbines are being rapidly erected. And in Maine a truck carrying a big piece of turbine got stuck for hours while trying to round a corner near Searsport." "'It left a nice gouge in Route 1,' said Ben Tracy, who works nearby at a marine equipment store and saw the incident. On a per-turbine basis, the cost of transportation and logistics generally varies from around $100,000 to $150,000, said John Dunlop, an engineer with the American Wind Energy Association, and experts say that transportation logistics are starting to limit how large — and as a result how powerful — wind turbines can get. There is talk of breaking a blade up into multiple pieces, but 'that's a very significant structural concern,' says Peter Stricker, vice president at Clipper Windpower who added that tower bases were getting too large to squeeze through underpasses. But a partial solution may be at hand. While vast majority of turbine parts now travel by truck, in Texas and elsewhere, some wind companies are looking to move more turbine parts by train to save money. But even the train routes must avoid low overpasses when big pieces of wind turbines are aboard. 'It's not your typical rail-car shipments,' said Tom Lange, a Union Pacific spokesman."

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  1. Dirigible. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    or blimp.

    1. Re:Dirigible. by Carnildo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pick your favorite large dirigible, and study how short its life was and what happened to it.

      I'll pick three: three of the last four airships built by Luftschiffbau Zeppelin

      #1 LZ-127, the Graf Zeppelin : 11 years of safe, reliable operation, including a flight around the world and a million miles of passenger service. Scrapped at the beginning of World War II.
      #2 LZ-126/ZR-3, the USS Los Angeles : 10 years of safe, reliable operation. Scrapped at the beginning of World War II.
      #3 LZ-130, the Graf Zeppelin II : two years of safe, reliable operation. Scrapped at the beginning of World War II.

      The big threat to properly-designed rigid airships seems to be World War II. Now that it's over, new airships shouldn't have any trouble.

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    2. Re:Dirigible. by Normal+Dan · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm noticing a trend. Zeppelins cause World War II. If we don't want another World War II, we shouldn't build them. World War II 2 would suck more than the first one.

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  2. Not too surprising by gringer · · Score: 5, Funny

    You can always expect problems when you're transporting large things along a windy road. I'm sure the initial issues will blow over, and they'll tackle the remainder with much gusto.

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  3. Doing it wrong. by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

    FTS: " In Idaho trucks laden with tall turbine parts have slammed into interstate overpasses requiring hundreds of thousands of dollars in repairs"

    You're supposed to put them on the truck parallel to the ground.

    Just saying.

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    1. Re:Doing it wrong. by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      FTS: " In Idaho trucks laden with tall turbine parts have slammed into interstate overpasses requiring hundreds of thousands of dollars in repairs"

      Actually, it's a good thing they're running into the overpasses that need repairs. It'll kick start the process. However, if they were to run into an overpass that was brand new, or that had just finished being repaired... Oh Boy! Somebody would be in trouble.

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    2. Re:Doing it wrong. by Guysmiley777 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not just common sense, in most states oversize loads are required to have scout and chase vehicles. When I was a teenager a few times I drove a scout car with a flexible fiberglass pole the height of the load being carried plus one inch ahead of an over-height load. Supposedly the route was clear but it was still a required precaution.

      Since when is a lazy/incompetent trucking company the wind power industry's fault?

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    3. Re:Doing it wrong. by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're supposed to put them on the truck parallel to the ground.

      They tried it that way initially. But while the overpasses were high enough, they were far too narrow.

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  4. Re:Oh boo hoo by Celeste+R · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is indeed a logistical problem, and not an inherent problem. It's also not a problem with weight.

    Wind turbines and wind towers for those turbines are very different. Towers are large and bulky, built to be structurally sound. Interstate laws require that only so much weight can be put on any given set of wheels. Heavy, illegally-running trucks (liquid haulers, etc) can easily get much heavier, on fewer wheels. The weight problem is already managed, and oversize trucks are routinely checked, where other trucks aren't as much.

    If smaller roads that happen to carry large amounts of truck traffic are getting torn up, then it's not surprising, given that trucks are trucks. This Texas road in specific is notorious for being undermaintained, and the Highway Department can whine, but they know they need to do something.

    I seriously doubt that this remark about 'a big gouge in Route 1' was because of weight, but rather because of size. Perhaps it clipped an overpass. Perhaps (god forbid) it actually slid off the truck. Accidents are remembered, but gradual wear and tear on a road isn't an 'accident' that happens all at once.

    Putting a truck laden with a section of tower can clog up a heavy construction area for hours. Can you plan around that? Yes, but only so much. Incidents will happen, and I distinctly remember one of these trucks knocking down all the cones in a construction area, because it was either the cones or the signs.

    This is 'routine' logistical work for any oversize hauler. If someone's screwing up, fingers are easy to point. It may be the driver, or it may be that construction crew that was lazy with their cones, but it's manageable, up to a point. If you can't get it through no matter which route you take, it's too big to transport.

    For states back east, it's messier still because the roads are smaller (you can't fit one of these around most of those corners) and the clearances are sized to match.

    Eventually, wind tower construction companies are going to have to mobilize. Contract for several years here, and several years there, and it makes more sense to actually relocate the manufacturing facility for large products to save costs.

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  5. Why not post about the damage oil trucks make? by Torg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Living in Texas, with oil and gas, wells I can personally attest to damage done by service trucks to our road. This is due to to constant need to move the product to market, or service the water that comes from the wells (yes gas and oil wells produce water too).

    I have seen these trucks that carry the crude oil from gas wells get into accidents. I have seen bridges totally destroyed from burning oil under them (concrete breaks down under the extreme heat).

    Do we write about the millions of dollars in damage our oil trucks create yearly? Or do we single out a few accidents in trucking, carrying oversize loads instead.

    Do we even hear about the oversize building moments that tie up traffic? Do we hear about the daily fatal accidents from truck accidents? Or do we single out a few trucks that just happened to be carrying wind turbine parts?

  6. Re:I hope they bring their GPS! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'd hate to get lost delivering one of those big turbines while navigating those back roads, you could get lost for days driving on...

    Some winding little windy roads
    Some little windy winding roads
    Some windy little winding roads
    Some winding windy little roads
    Some little rocky windy roads
    Some little windy rocky roads
    Some rocky little windy roads
    Some windy winding little roads
    Some windy rocky little roads
    Some windy little rocky roads
    Some rocky windy little roads

    It is very windy. You are likely to get blown by a grue.