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Apple Dominates "Premium PC" Market

itwbennett writes "Macs made up a whopping 91 percent of the $1,000-and-up computer market in June. Not so long ago, $1,000 got you an entry-level machine. Today the average computer sells for $701, while the average Windows machine sells for only $515. Still, Macs only make up 8.7% of PC sales. But is that really such a bad position to be in? Consider an Apples to Apples, that is, Macs to iPhones comparison: the iPhone takes only a sliver of the phone market but a much larger share of the profits."

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  1. Premium price, not premium PC by RonnyJ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple dominates the premium priced market, not the premium PC market.

    1. Re:Premium price, not premium PC by je+ne+sais+quoi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I know slashdotters love this kind of sentiment, but this is a pretty inane thing to say and the poster and the people who modded this insightful have never actually looked at a mac laptop's features carefully. Just off the top of my head, here is a list of stuff that is included in mac laptops that you don't find in the "average" PC:

      easy removal of power connector in case of tripping
      accelerometers to shut the hard drive off if the laptop falls
      backlit keyboards that have a sensor to automatically come on
      automatic screen dimming at low light levels
      single piece aluminum frame construction for less stress on the motherboard (the most common point of failure of a laptop, in my experience)
      custom battery arrangement to maximize useful lifetime but leave a smaller dimensional footprint.

      I'm sure there are others that I'm missing but the very idea that mac laptops aren't "premium" is ridiculous. You can argue that the set of features that you get are not worth the price, but one can make the same argument about "premium" cars as well and has nothing to do with if the object itself has a feature set above and beyond the average.

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    2. Re:Premium price, not premium PC by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...12 high end Mac Pros for, say $5,000...

      Last I checked, an everything-but-the-kitchen-sink Mac Pro was closer to $23,000.

    3. Re:Premium price, not premium PC by Steve+Franklin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have pumped WAY more than $1000 into my home-built, and I strongly suspect it doesn't show up in anybody's statistics.

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    4. Re:Premium price, not premium PC by Anubis+IV · · Score: 4, Insightful

      custom battery arrangement to maximize useful lifetime but leave a smaller dimensional footprint. - Laptop manufacturers always make the enclosure, it's just the cells that are outsourced. There's nothing inherently more customized about Apple's battery arrangement than Dell's, although Dell is more likely to use a conservative design.

      Apple's cells aren't outsourced, and there is something "inherently more customized about Apple's battery arrangement than Dell's." You should really read up on them since it's one of their major differentiators from competitors at the moment. They generated quite a bit of surprise earlier in the year when the actual results seen by the media and individuals met and exceeded Apple's stated numbers for the expected charge time. More or less, your assertion regarding Apple and Dell's batteries is entirely incorrect.

      Thinkpad isn't going to vent its heat directly into your groin, while an aluminum Macbook will.

      I think you're overstating or fabricating an issue that doesn't exist. For instance, on my (ancient) Aluminum PowerBook G4 (remember that the G4 chip was notorious for its heat issues), I have vents along the backside of the computer and along both sides (all of which are hidden from view in normal use). In regular practice I can easily max out the CPU for extended periods of time (heck, running Azureus and watching a movie will do that these days), yet it never gets hot enough to warrant concern, due to the proper venting. So while the thermal properties of other metals may be more favorable, it's not an issue if the heat is properly vented, which it is (otherwise, we could make the argument that every computer should use liquids for cooling since they have better thermal properties than air, which would entirely miss the fact that liquid cooling is simply unnecessary in many cases). And last I checked, the current laptop lines from Apple do not have vents in the region that would be directed at the groin.

      backlit keyboards that have a sensor to automatically come on - My Thinkpad has an overhead light so I can read papers as well as the keyboard.

      Totally missing the point. An overhead light is a ridiculous feature that bothers others around you and is total overkill for the problem. What makes Apple's backlit keyboards a "premium" feature are ideas like the use fiber optics to relay a light both through the character glyphs on each laser-etched key, as well as around the keys. Plus, most people are comfortable purchasing a $5 USB attachment if they really wanted an overhead light. Backlit keyboards are not something you can tack on for $5. It's that sort of difference that was being pointed out as a premium feature of Apple laptops.

      Also, as has already been pointed out, the ThinkPad is by no means a commodity laptop. It's most certainly a premium line as well (aimed at a different audience than Macs, but premium nonetheless), and it demands a premium price, so pointing out that your ThinkPad carries similar features is a self-defeating argument if you were trying to suggest that some of Apple's laptop features were common in regular ol' commodity laptops.

  2. Re:In technology... by ucblockhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple's appeal is that OSX is a generally better OS than Windows, particularly in the area of usability. That, not "marketing" or "aesthetics" is why people will pay more for the same hardware.

    I find it amusing that people don't understand that the software itself has value.

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  3. Re:De-spinning. Again. by iluvcapra · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "Premium" is sorta "more expensive" by definition. It does not necessarily mean higher quality. It just means it can summon a higher price on the market, for whatever reason.

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  4. A $1,000 PC is not OEM by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People that are willing to put $1,000 into their PC probably don't want the limited choices offered by OEMs. They are going to build it from parts.

  5. Re:De-spinning. Again. by Telvin_3d · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's right. When comparing the price/value of computer hardware, the cost of software does not matter. Your $700 mid-range (or upper middle or however you want to measure it) hardware is $700 worth of hardware regardless of how much you spend on software.

    For the obligatory car analogy, if you buy a cheap second hand car and then put a $50,000 sound system in it, you still have a cheap second hand car. It just has a nice sound system.

  6. Re:In technology... by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Either way, time will tell.

    We've been hearing this line for almost a decade now, and time has told to a tune of nearly 6-fold gain in shareholder value since 2000, giving Apple today a larger market cap than Google, HP, and Dell. I keep waiting for this grand charade to end, but Apple keeps raking in $8 billion dollars a quarter.

    They've succeeded by every rational metric of business.

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  7. Re:In technology... by maxume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is probably more reasonable to talk about the $1.2 billion that they earn each quarter, rather than their revenues:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=AAPL

    For instance, when Google has a good quarter, they make more than that, on 70% of the revenues:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=goog

    And HP manages to only make a little more than Apple, on 340% of the revenues:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q/is?s=hpq

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  8. Car comparison by Pascal+Sartoretti · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No, I won't compare Apple's market share to Mercedes' . But just think in absolute terms : even if Macs cost double more than an average PC, the difference is only a few hundredths of dollars, which is the extra price you pay to have a "luxury" item. Now think of cars : how many people spend thousands of dollars (or your favourite currency) to have a flashier car ?

    I spend much more time in front of my computer than driving my car. Hence, I am ready to spend a little more to have a luxury computer...

  9. Linux laptop is probably next for me by drDugan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've been using different GUI front ends for programming and work for over 10 years now - and Apple laptops for the last 5 years of so.

    Open office is now a fully acceptable spreadsheet and word processor. Gimp is fully functional for photos. Most other services are web based. VLC, media playing, etc are all working on Linux too. Issues that used to be common are now well supported in the open-source community with networking, video acceleration, disks, USB, drivers, etc.

    Apple with it's BSD-based kernel and more open culture than Microsoft, could openly embrace the open source community, however, it seems to be working actively to prevent open access to a large number of their software-hardware combinations, and refuses to embrace and support the console-using, computer-hacking crowd (like me). It is understandable from a short-term financial standpoint, but long term, I think this is a mistake for Apple. I think taking the position at the genius bar of "if you open Terminal, we won't help you" alienates the most dedicated and supportive users in the marketplace. It is that community that could rocket Apple forward with more contributions and functionality - but now they continue to be pushed to support Linux instead.

    It is disappointing to me that we live in a world where large companies like Apple still grow primarily based on marketing, selling and distributing physical things over digital products, or from monetizing the support and services (and maintaining a community) around increased productivity.

    The difference in price between all these products is small compared to the value of ones times spent dealing with issue that arise. Regardless of how one values their own time - after any major screw ups taking many, many hours to fix - you have already surpassed any difference in price between the systems. Reliability, functionality, and real security (and how much time you have to spend later to get those) are the real value of owning a laptop for several years, not just the initial price.

    But all in all, lack of Apple support for hacking means I'll be looking seriously at a Linux-based laptop (at 1/2 the price and more open standards) for my next laptop.

  10. Re:Little off topic.. by v1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have tried, through various schemes, to compete in this market and have come up bubkis.

    I believe the reason for this is it's hard to compete in the low AND high end markets at the same time, at least under the same brand.

    Dell tries to do this, but the world knows dell for cheap PCs.

    Cisco/Linksys is my favorite example. They keep those two brand names very separate for a good reason. What IT dept would shop Linksys for their company firewall, and who would imagine they could afford/use a Cisco at home?

    Apple is known for quality, longevity, and higher price. There's nothing to gain from them trying to get any sizable portion of the low-end market. The only reason they sell the mac mini is to get PC converts, not because they want a foot in the low end market.

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  11. Re:In technology... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Where do you get that idea from? My whole company switched to Macs and productivity is up as we spend so much less time on desktop maintenance.

    What desktop maintenance were you spending so much time on? Because if you were spending THAT much time on desktop maintenance you were doing it wrong.

    In the last few years most of my friends have switched to Macs and they all say they're easier to use.

    Yeah, a new PC out of the box from apple is setup better than same from an OEM. That's not Apple vs Microsoft. That's Apple vs HP and Sony. HP and Sony etc really need to pick up the ball to deliver a much better out of box experience.

    They need to dump the shovelware, trialware, and utter crap, and invest in good quality productivity options.

    I know one high level executive who's arguing with his IT department to let him use his Mac and iPhone on the corporate network because he prefers their usability and productivity.

    And I know one high level executive who switched back to PC after he got tired of having to remote access or virtualize 4/5ths of the stuff he wanted to do because there was no mac equivalent, and it drove him nuts. He'd have his mail running on his Mac, then launch VMware to run the accounting software, pull up a report, and then have to jump through hoops to paste it into his email... because outlook supports OLE and when he pastes the spreadsheet bit in, he can edit it... but not on his mac, where it comes through as an image... so now he gets to copy it from the vm accounting to excel on the mac, tweak it some more, and paste it again to mail...

    And now he gets to run Mac OS software update, AND windows update. Productivity dropped into the toilet. Not to mention the burden on IT as they have to handle everything they do with him as separate case.

    He curses at it all day, but its what he wanted.

  12. Re:In technology... by ahankinson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget: For a while, PPC *was* better than Intel. And for new users (i.e. anyone who hadn't grown up with using mice), 1 button was less confusing than two. But you know what? Things changed. Intel got off their ass and made great chips (while Moto/IBM sat on their ass with PPC) and the number of people who knew how to use a mouse became a majority of their market.

  13. Re:My Time is worth something by Cyberllama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And windows users don't have to do any of those things either. Every piece of anti-virus software under the sun updates itself, completely without any human intervention, at some god awful time of night so as to avoid doing it while you may be using your computer. Similarly, right out of the box windows runs a scheduled weekly disk degrag at something like 3 am every wednesday or some other silly time. These things happen and I do nothing to cause them, I didn't even set them up originally -- they were just pre-configured that way and if I don't like them I can change them.

    Nor do I have to reinstall windows yearly -- Vista on this machine has been installed for 18 months and everything is as snappy as the day I brought it home.

    Try to understand, when you buy a mac you're not choosing between OS 10.5 and Windows 95. There's really major selling point of Mac over Windows at this point other than simple preference.

    If you PREFER MacOS, by all means by a Mac -- but don't kid yourself into thinking you're getting something the rest of us aren't getting. We're all getting the OS of our choice and more or less the same feature set. Your preference costs more, but if you prefer it, and are willing to pay the money, then go for it.

  14. Re:Little off topic.. by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Cisco/Linksys is my favorite example. They keep those two brand names very separate for a good reason. What IT dept would shop Linksys for their company firewall, and who would imagine they could afford/use a Cisco at home?

    It's common in the car market, too: Japanese car firms have done very well with their pairings of Honda/Acura, Toyota/Lexus, Nissan/Infiniti.

  15. Re:Windows is the wisest choice by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Targeting some of the richest and yet least security-aware computer users could be a very profitable niche indeed.