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Hacker Group L0pht Making a Comeback

angry tapir writes "The news report begins with shots of a tense space shuttle launch. Engineers hunch over computer banks and techno music pounds in the background. There is a countdown, a lift-off, and then you see a young man in a black T-shirt and sunglasses, apparently reporting from 'space.' This is the Hacker News Network, and after a decade offline it is lifting off again, this time with a quirky brand of video reports about security. Hacker News Network is one of the side projects of the Boston-based hacker collective known as L0pht Heavy Industries. They're the guys who famously told the US Congress that they could take down the Internet in about 30 minutes, and who helped invent the way that security bugs are reported to computer companies."

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  1. Are they relevant? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Once upon a time these guys were the baddest of the badasses. But nowadays Russia, China, and North Korea have become real threats.

    What can a group of guys in Boston do that could rival Russian hackers?

    1. Re:Are they relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What can a group of guys in Boston do that could rival Russian hackers?

      tea party?

    2. Re:Are they relevant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mate, Bostonians are what you get when you mix pirates and ninjas. Chuck Norris is scared of Boston. Last time they threw a Tea Party they instigated the overthrow of the largest empire in history! A few blokes from Boston are enough to wipe out the Third Reich, Mossad, Chuck Norris and the SBS all in an afternoon.

      Regards,
            Phil

    3. Re:Are they relevant? by hedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      Tea bagging?

    4. Re:Are they relevant? by sharkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Baloney. Chuck Norris knows Boston's fatal weakness!

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  2. Hmmm... by Colourspace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assuming these guys are 'white hats', and they are not _necessarily_ the most able or l337 hax0rs out there, then why has someone not already attempted to take the internet down in 30 minutes already? For, say, 1 million dollars? I call hubris..

    1. Re:Hmmm... by augahyde · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming these guys are 'white hats', and they are not _necessarily_ the most able or l337 hax0rs out there, then why has someone not already attempted to take the internet down in 30 minutes already? For, say, 1 million dollars? I call hubris..

      The statement was made in 1998 when security was extremely lax with a majority of the hacking community residing in the west.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by Eternauta3k · · Score: 3, Funny

      that would be neigh to impossible.

      And yet I can't see where the horses come in

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by tcr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Heh.. the Russians might just be out for revenge.

      Interesting article about how the CIA took advantage of the fact that the USSR had given up on domestic computer systems development, and had taken to cloning IBM and Dec gear.
      From examples spiked with malware....
      Excerpt:
       
       

      In the early 1980s, the Russians were constructing a trans-Siberian oil pipeline, and needed an automated system to properly manage it. Softening attitudes allowed them to legitimately purchase older models of computers on the open market. They then approached the American authorities for permission to buy the necessary software. When the US refused, the KGB stole the application.


      However, the software they stole had been doctored to go haywire after a while. It would open valves unexpectedly and set pressures too high for the pipeline's welds. When the explosion came, US seismologists measured the blast at three kilotons.

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    4. Re:Hmmm... by theillien · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Probably because even when talking in front of Congress, hackers are going to prone to puffing their chests out in order to make themselves seem more 1337 than the next group.

    5. Re:Hmmm... by Sigma+7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I am going out a limb here, but could it be 'conscience' ? Hackers, even black hats, will attack only that which they see as evil.

      More like they're not willing to attack a target they perceive as critical to their operation.

      For example, a hacker may find it funny to send something via the Border Gateway Protocol to disable access to Youtube; other hackers might consider this good, since it encouraged productivity. If he instead disables the entire Internet via BGP, he cripples himself and can't do much until the problem is recovered. Said hacker won't be able to brag about taking out the Internet, since no computer enthusiast likes critical infrastructure being taken out.

      If a hacker accidentally took out an internet when trying to demonstrate something believed to be harmless (e.g. the Morris Worm), then that's okay. We all make mistakes and gain experience not to do it a third time.

  3. Pioneers of the glamourous geek lifestyle by Beefpatrol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those guys also were probably among the first to make it publically obvious that computer skills were not simply vehicles for the personal amusement of the socially inept. The press at the time always discussed how they had one apartment for themselves, and one next door for their gear. They made money being hackers, (in the old sense of the word -- not crackers.) I imagine that a substantial part of the sudden increase in society's respect for geeks, (maybe mostly their potential incomes,) was due to the glamorous press exposure l0pht received at that time. Perhaps Slashdot should thank them -- I'm not really sure. It will be interesting to see what this new l0pht is like.

    1. Re:Pioneers of the glamourous geek lifestyle by Beefpatrol · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You're right that computer skills became more in demand because computers became more entrenched in society. My main point was that geeks gained substantial social respect because the media published a bunch of stuff that glamorized geekdom. I didn't mean to imply that (social respect == ability to command more income). Geeks were already making money and their skills were already valuable. A lot of people didn't realize that at the time though. The prototype geeks the media used at the time were the l0pht guys. I think it mattered that they were independant -- they weren't working for a corporation or anything like that.

    2. Re:Pioneers of the glamourous geek lifestyle by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't get me laid, though, does it?

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  4. literature request by Trepidity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Since I like history and dead-tree, anyone have a suggestion for a good book covering the history of these 1990s hacking/security/blackhat/whitehat/grayhat groups, and what you might call the fragmentation/dissolution of the underground? There's good material on the 80s, but much less on the 90s, it seems, despite a decade having passed.

    The only one I know of with more than a passing mention is a 20-page overview in Ch. 3 ("Hacking in the 1990s") of the book Hacker Culture (2003). Others?

    1. Re:literature request by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The book The Best of 2600, a Hacker Odyssey is pretty good. http://www.amazon.com/Best-2600-Hacker-Odyssey/dp/0470294191 . And while it might not have the scope you are looking for on the groups themselves, it does seem to give mention to every major event in hacker history since 1984 when the magazine was published. Plus its pretty recent being published just in July of 08.

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  5. Re:Anti-Sec by Darkness404 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But you -do- have that right, you just don't feel like using it. That is what happens with freedom, even though I have pretty much every right to fill this post with random links to Goatse, penis jokes and conspiracy theories about how 9/11 was planed by Jewish people, I choose not to. Same with you, you have, and should have every right to publish it, you just choose not to.

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  6. First impression.. by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 3, Informative

    I watched the last news video of them. Here is my impression:

    * They recreated the feel of the 80's hacker optic mixed with matrix in an endless loop
        (no, that was not a compliment)
    * 20 % of the show was advertisement (maybe more)
    * The news are mostly a summary on what you read here on security.slashdot.com
    * The tone of the show gets boring.. well, immediately

    The basic idea is nice, but the actual show is not that impressive. Could get better though..

  7. L0pht history by Animats · · Score: 4, Insightful

    L0pht Heavy Industries went corporate in 2000, and became "@Stake", which was acquired by Symantec in 2004, and disappeared into the Symantec empire.

    L0pht, founded in 1992, was itself a descendant of the Cult of the Dead Cow, founded in 1984 and still around, more or less.

    There have been various spinoffs and buybacks along the way, but it's been a while since cutting edge work came from that crowd.