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Temperature Data Wants To Be Free

An anonymous reader writes "The UK's Met Office Hadley Centre and University of East Anglia have been refusing access to the data used for their global climate averages and scientific studies. A copy of the data has leaked, and attempts continue to accomplish the release of the data by whoever maintains it. Excuses have included confidentiality agreements which cannot be verified because no records were kept, mention of the source has been removed from the Met Office web site, and IPCC records were destroyed."

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  1. Confidentiality and openness aside, so what? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are lots of data sources which are perfectly reasonable to use. NOAA's data being probably the best and most comprehensive.

    Yes, the UK is turning into a strange parody of itself with its attempts to close the government to the public on the one hand and monitor citizens very closely on the other. But it's not the only game in town. Despite my own country's recent 8 year slump towards the same type of fascist state as Britain, the US scientific community is still one of the best and most open in the world.

    So come and get your data from us, ya'll.

  2. Re:100% worthless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it's not science if you hide your data and methods and only release them to people you like. This isn't about misrepresentation or whatever dirt you want to throw - this is about access and transparency. Anything less is not science. It's as simple as that.

    A key ingredient of the scientific method is exposing your methods to the cold hard light of day and making sure they withstand scrutiny. If you only show it to people you like, that is hardly serious scrutiny. It needs to stand up to scrutiny from people you don't like.

  3. Re:Open Source Science is the path through the dar by itsybitsy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you "BELIEVE" science you're just another religion.

    In fact, open source science is the BEST and ONLY WAY to avoid science from becoming the new religion as it has, for example, in the climate debates.

    The scientific method is the tool for vetting the works of science and if the work of science is closed and secret and kept close to the scientists chests by refusals to share their data, methods, source codes, procedures, etc... then their work can't be verified and might as well be works of fiction just like those of any religious cleric or priest or nutter.

    If you can't take others vetting your scientific work then maybe you don't belong in science?

    Open Source Science raises the bar and will in the long run improve the quality of the science that is done. Some progress is being made, much more needs to be done.

  4. You wonder why there's doubt on global warming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let's see, we're supposed to spend literally trillions of dollars to fix global warming, yet we can't see the raw data the hysteria is based on?

    WTF!?!?!

    Along the same lines, when is the source code used for the climate models going to be published and thoroughly reviewed?

    If AGW is in fact true, it can withstand the scrutiny.

  5. In fact you should scrutinize it yourself by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll quote Feynman, since he put it really well:

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    It's a kind of scientific integrity, a principle of scientific thought that corresponds to a kind of utter honesty--a kind of leaning over backwards. For example, if you're doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid--not only what you think is right about it: other causes that could possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you've eliminated by some other experiment, and how they worked--to make sure the other fellow can tell they have been eliminated.

    Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know them. You must do the best you can--if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly wrong--to explain it. If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition.
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    Remember: In science, we don't prove things true, we show them to be not false. Same thing? Not hardly. For a complete discussion on the topic, read the Logic of Scientific Discovery by Karl Popper. However what it comes down to is you do not do a test, and then prove a theory true. That can't be done. What you do is come up with a way to falsify your theory, that is to say you come up with a test that says "If things don't come out this way, we know this theory is wrong." You run the test, things come out that way. You have failed to falsify the theory, and we are now more certain it is true. The more than is done, the more certain we are a theory is correct. Each time we attempt to falsify the theory and fail, we are more sure it must be the truth.

    If we do then falsify it, the theory has to be redone. That doesn't mean you toss the whole thing out, it may just mean some refinement is needed. For example you have a theory that predicts when X happens Y will results. In 400 tests, this is the case, however 3 new tests show it isn't. What you discover is that in all those tests, A was also present. You the refine your theory: Y will result from X, except in cases where A is present. Your theory is now a little more narrow in application, and fits with the evidence. Perhaps later you find out what A does, and incorporate that in to a more general theory.

    The point of all this is that real science is all about trying to prove your theory wrong. You do everything you can to prove it wrong, then have other people do what they can to prove it wrong. When all of you fail at doing that, when the theory has been refined such that it fits all the evidence and you can't figure out how else to test it, then it is most likely the truth. THAT is what scientific rigor is about. It isn't about coming up with a theory, ignoring data you don't like, showing it to a few people who agree with you, and saying "Ok, we proved this true and nobody else can look at it."

  6. Re:Concealment of decisive evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "bunch of scientists" you should be paying attention to aren't the half-dozen public figures engaging the quacks, but the ten thousand quietly publishing the research which led to the concensus in the first place. The handful of public scientists who can't whip out smoking-gun data like characters in a Roland Emmerich movie aren't the people who hold the actual science.

  7. Re:CO2 by Paltin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're also in an incredibly cool climate today; During those periods of high CO2 you mention, the temperature has been about 15 degrees C warmer worldwide. The Earth seems to have two stable temperatures; about 10C, and about 25C. When scientists are talking about feedback loops, they're talking about the transition to a global hot-house.

    Take a look here:
    http://scotese.com/climate.htm

    As you can see, our current climate is unusual. Global temperature was similar during the Precambrian (before any animals), at the end Ordovician and the end Carboniferous. As you can see, the global temperature stayed where in these cold zones for a relatively small time.

    So yeah, the trees will be fine if we ramped global temperature 15C, but the point is that it wouldn't be great for human civilization.

  8. Re:The issue is the license: Copyright and contrac by Ron+Cram · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your note indicates you understand research has to be replicated to be science. This is very good step in the right direction. Do you also understand that you cannot just turn the data over to those who agree with you? People who disagree with your conclusions have to have access to the data, otherwise it is just pseudoscience.