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Formerly Classified Global Warming Spy Photos Released
An anonymous reader writes "The Obama administration has released more than a thousand intelligence images of Arctic ice, following a declassification request by the National Academy of Sciences. The images feature a 1m resolution, and scientists who have had to base climate models on 15m- or 30m-resolution photos are rejoicing. The photos, kept classified by the Bush administration, show the impact of global warming in the Arctic and the retreat of glaciers in Washington and Alaska."
"Glaciers are not permanent structures. So what?"
Neither are humans, particularly when they have no fresh water.
Are you trying to imply that those glaciers are part of our supposedly limited fresh water supply when in fact that comes from a continuous and never ending cycle of evaporation and rain ? Cause I'm sick and tired of hearing the cretinism of what a scarce resource water is when in fact it falls out of the sky and the more heat the more rain.
And for your coming objection the water that evaporates from the oceans doesn't all rain above those oceans and perhaps you'll have the sense to realize it loses the salt too and becomes freshwater.
And there you have it folks - the linchpin of the religion known as environmentalism. Industrial revolution = sin, and a return to communal agrarianism = salvation. The parent poster and his kind all share the same view of humanity as a pulsating mass of maggots (themselves excluded, of course).
We're talking about physical science here, not the humanities. Facts are facts, and it doesn't matter how much of a consensus you have if the facts don't support your conclusions. I've looked at the facts and, although I'm no expert on the matter, I'm not convinced. I'm also not convinced that AGW is a bunch of hogwash, but I'm coming closer to that conclusion every day. That doesn't mean that it is any more than your insistence that it's proven means that it's true. It means that to me, the question is still open.
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I'm intentionally child free so in the balance of things
So your idea of balancing things is to place the burden of paying for your social safety net/ripe old age on my children instead? ;)
I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
A poll performed by Peter Doran and Maggie Kendall Zimmerman at Earth and Environmental Sciences, University of Illinois at Chicago received replies from 3,146 of the 10,257 polled Earth scientists.
So the fact that other ~6,000 scientists that disagreed but were too afraid of losing their jobs and clientele didn't respond obviously doesn't matter? I could accept it if 9/10 or 8/10 of participants responded, but only 3/10? Maybe the pollsters just "misplaced" the other ballots with in-congruent data.
Statistics is the art of lying with math.
If our elected representatives no longer represent us, do we still live in a Democracy?
I am more scared of the FUD that Global Climate Change is happening and is as catastrophic. A lot of the global warming propaganda (e.g. Gore's movie) contains a lot of FUD and statements that are just not true. (E.g. saying a 7 meter ocean level rise will occur without mentioning that it will take a millennium).
Maybe global warming occurs - but it has become too much a pet project for washed out liberals. We can have a win-win situation. The liberals stop moaning when we put up carbon neutral nuclear power plants and we act as if we care about global warming FUD.
I am always perplexed at how many intelligent people say, "even if we aren't sure about MMCC, we shouldn't take the risk". I would then ask you to recognize the real risks of handing power over to that organization. If you think that the only ones who stand to lose here are rich oil companies, I can only say you really need to do some more research (and take off that damned Che Guevara t-shirt!).
As a man I take offence to that, women are every bit as responsible as we are.
Good for you!
You could have a point there, but it's not relevant, bcause we are sure at a 90-95% confidence level
We are sure, eh? You must be a panel member.
Oh, I can't have this discussion with you. You've got it all figured out. Go read 'Red Hot Lies', or watch 'Great Global Warming Swindle'. My comments here will only fall on deaf ears.
If nobody had kids, what the hell would be the point in conservation?
The standard war cry is that it's all *for* the kids, all this reduction in industry that's being threatened, it's meant to be for *their* good.
And talk about over exaggeration, it's not a "fact" at all. Your computer is causing more pollution than any child does. How the hell does a child cause pollution anyway? Some parents in the west choose to create a polluting lifestyle to raise their children in but wtf has that got to do with the child? Most children do nothing to contribute to pollution and they certainly don't drive industry.
Good god.
Only here would such irrational emotionally overloaded drek get modded to +5 insightful, simply because it's anti-parent.
What has driven so many on this site to hate their parents and by extension parenthood? It's certainly not the normal state of things and it's really quite sad.
Oh and nice attempt to deflect the blame for the environment on to everyone but yourself.
Pathetic.
Actually, no, that's not the question at all. The question is what are you going to do when oil is permanently above 100USD a barrel and climbing, or worse, constantly volatile?
Switch to the production of synthetic fuels using energy from nuclear power plants.
I'm afraid you've just made this connection up. What examples make you feel this three-way relation is universally true as you assert?
Look at the price of different kinds of light bulbs.
This is my sig.
... you give me all your money, and I'll fix it for ya. No, really. I promise. Global warming / climate change / whatever they want to call it this week is nothing more than a ploy. It's one more thing that we have to do that will just happen to require politicians to have more control, and require more of our money to resolve.
I don't believe in karma, I just call it like I see it.
Of course they're going to release this stuff now. They need to get people fired up about global warming so they can pass Cap & Tax...'scuse me...Cap & Trade. The health care bill isn't going to pass so they desperately need a major success. But be that as it may, ten bucks says anyone could photoshop those images with little effort. Oh, and how convenient it is to change the term from Global Warming to Global Climate Change. That way you can blame the fact that it's 72.00001 degrees today when yesterday it was 72.00000 on George Bush.
It's not just comprehension skills. There are plenty of educated people here who keep tossing up links to the WUWT and "icecap" websites as evidence that AGW is not real. Some of these people can read studies but for some reason they give vastly more weight to the hero "scientist" with a book, a website and some think-tank money than they do to any of the thousands of reputable scientific institutions who have released hundereds of thousands of statements, studies and reports on AGW.
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