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iPhone App Tracks Sex Offenders

The Narrative Fallacy writes "All 50 states in the US require the 50,000 people convicted of sexual offenses to sign a register so that their whereabouts can be tracked and monitored. The Telegraph reports that now users of the iPhone Offender Locator application can search for sex offenders living nearby a friend or colleague whose address is stored in their Apple iPhone address book, or they can type in a street address to generate a list of convicted sex offenders in the local area. 'Offender Locator gives everyone the ability to find out if registered sex offenders live in their area,' says the application developer, ThinAir Wireless, on its iTunes page. 'Knowledge equals safety. They know where you and your family are...now it's time to turn the tables so that you know where they live and can make better decisions about where to allow your kids to play.' Offender Locator uses the iPhone's built-in GPS to pinpoint the user's location, and then provide a map listing sex offenders in the local area. Tapping on one of the 'pins' dropped on to the map brings up a photograph of the offender, as well as their address, date of birth and list of convictions."

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  1. Tired of scare tactics. by thesolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They know where you and your family are...now it's time to turn the tables so that you know where they live and can make better decisions about where to allow your kids to play.

    That's great for the very stereotypical creepy, mustachioed child molester, but ever-increasingly the phrase, "sex offender" has nothing to do with children at all. That same title now applies to people convicted of statutory rape, even if they were 17 & 18 at the time. It applies to people who streak, people who are caught skinny-dipping, people who are caught having sex in public (including in their car), and even people who happened to urinate behind a tree in some places. Yet they have the same social stigma & registration entries in the database as people who raped children.

    So yeah, it might help protect your children, or it might just show you the house of a guy who really needed to take a leak, and happened to get caught. But hey, feel free to use it and get extremely paranoid at the rapidly growing number of people it shows...

    1. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Canazza · · Score: 4, Insightful

      this is pretty much my sentiment. I hope the application comes with a tag saying what the crime was (ie child molestation or rape or weeing in the street) when it happened (was it 2 years ago or last week) and where it happened (did it happen in their house, or in Vegas)

      Last thing you want is what happened in the UK when this stuff is leaked
      this pretty much covers UK Law in relation to violent sex offenses

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    2. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by ByOhTek · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Tapping on one of the 'pins' dropped on to the map brings up a photograph of the offender, as well as their address, date of birth and list of convictions.

      Like what is stated in TFS.

      Yeah, I must be new here.

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    3. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by should_be_linear · · Score: 4, Informative

      17? Fucking hell... where I live (Prague, Europe) 14 is legal (before it was 15, but parliament change it year ago (at least to my best knowledge from local media).

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    4. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Hammer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lemme see.... A sex offender is anyone convicted of a sex based offense. I was under the impression that going to a hooker is an sex offense in some jurisdictions.

      And also... What happened to the idea that once you served your time your debt to society is paid?

      Make no mistake I want to keep my kids safe. But isn't this a perfect way of pushing an offender of the track again??

    5. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by ajs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What it is is a way to permanently marginalize an increasingly large segment of society. In Miami, I think it is, there's now a community that sex offenders have to live in. "Community" is a nice way of saying, "a bridge they have to live under." This is because the city won't let them live within a certain radius of any school, day-care or other facility that has children. So... what you get is a rapidly growing, very disenfranchised group of people, essentially randomly selected from society (of course, if you had enough money to hire a really good lawyer, you won't be there). How long before they out-number other neighborhoods? Who knows, but then we'll have to build a wall, right? I mean, think of the children.

      Of course, at some point, the wall will seem insufficient. We'll have to move them all forcibly out to less populated areas. But they won't have any way to support themselves... hey, I know they can work for their food....

    6. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Insightful

      17? Fucking hell... where I live (Prague, Europe) 14 is legal (before it was 15, but parliament change it year ago (at least to my best knowledge from local media).

      But this is the US where seing a breast on TV (the same where people are shown being shot by cops - or vice versa - all day long) will scar you for life and will force the network to issue a public apology.

      Your body is dirty, *dirty* do you hear ? It's the work of the devil !

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    7. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by TerranFury · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There is a growing number of states with "Romeo and Juliet" laws that relax the statutory rape laws so that if, say, an 18-year-old sleeps with a 17-year-old it's not considered rape. So things are improving.

      Even a generation ago, however, the situation was much worse. A relative of mine knew a boy in high school who dated a girl a few (2 or 3) years younger than himself. It turned out that this girl was being sexually abused by her father, so the boyfriend encouraged her to speak out; he was the one person giving her support in this very difficult time for her. What happened? The father got into no substantial trouble; rather, he got the boyfriend sent to jail on statutory rape charges.

      Yay justice!

      Luckily, like I said, things are a little better today. But the laws still vary by state.

    8. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't expect the list of convictions to be meaningful. No way is the system going to be honest about their own bullshit. The guy busted for taking a leak will be convicted of public lewdness, just like the guy who waggled his weiner at the kids in the preschool playground.

      The kids busted for sexting will be convicted of manufacture and distribution of child porn and the 17 year old busted for fooling around with a 15 year old will be convicted of statutory rape and probably indecency involving a minor.

      All very much not helpful in evaluating the true nature of the people caught in the witch hunt.

    9. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Which is why those people are screwed for life. That'll be fun to explain at job interviews with background checks... If you even get a chance to explain. The whole system is so broken it's depressing. I feel sorry for the people that have gotten themselves caught up in it.

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    10. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The system is also broken in that there is absolutely no place in it for rehabilitation. The effort to show voters that the administration is "doing something" about such offenders represents the wooliest of short-term thinking.

      There is no place in the system for acceptance that once the offender has taken his punishment, he should be able to start again. I'm not a fan of creeps, but the idea that they should be stalked unto the grave after they have served their punishment is nothing short of sick. It amounts to a suggestion that anyone caught up in the system should be summarily condemned to death, but without having the guts to carry out the decree - while the miscreant has to wear his death warrant around his neck for the rest of his life.

    11. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Funny

      Impersonating an officer.

    12. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "That it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer, is a Maxim that has been long and generally approved." - Benjamin Franklin

    13. Re:Tired of scare tactics. by jamonterrell · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Someone tell me exactly how having an iphone app that shows you where all the 12yo's that posted nude pictures of themselves on facebook/myspace is going to protect the children, please?

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  2. Debt to society? by rotide · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Was their debt to society ever paid? What was the point of their prison sentence?

    How many more years until realtors no longer sell houses in certain areas to sex offenders? Or even more scary, how long until we only let them live in certain areas? Maybe even put up a fence around the area? Post guards at the gates?

    Ya, getting a little dramatic, but this BS where any soccer mom can pick up her iPhone and gawk with her friends at all the "criminals" in their neighborhood.. It's getting sickening..

    If these people are still dangerous, keep them locked up. If they are no longer dangerous, don't make public lists that they have to register on.

    Either you're guilty and you pay your debt, or you're paid your debt and are no longer guilty.

    Personally, if I had a daughter, I'd teach her to be aware of her surroundings and be wary of strangers, just like I was taught. List or no list, if a predator is out there, he's going to hunt. Some list that further punishes those that have paid their debt won't save my child, or yours.

    1. Re:Debt to society? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Has anyone read Les Miserables? The story of Jean Valjean sounds very similar - the label of 'Convict' was carried for life. The fact that he had committed a crime in his youth meant that he was a criminal forever, in the mind of society and the law - he could not hold a job, travel, or live without permission from the police.

      I don't think that specific knowledge as to former criminals who have served their time and are now living in your area is necessary. It would be not be helpful in any meaningful way to the public and would make it very difficult for the people on the list to live normal lives. The fact that the sex offender list is very loose as to who becomes assigned to it makes the situation worse.

    2. Re:Debt to society? by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Informative

      How many more years until realtors no longer sell houses in certain areas to sex offenders? Or even more scary, how long until we only let them live in certain areas?

      Already happened. Check out this story. Turns out Miami passed restrictions on where offenders can live that are so restrictive that the only place available to them is under a bridge. Seriously.

    3. Re:Debt to society? by oldspewey · · Score: 5, Insightful

      any soccer mom can pick up her iPhone and gawk with her friends at all the "criminals" ... If these people are still dangerous, keep them locked up.

      There is a gigantic dose of frightening irony in all this: Sex offenders (and for the moment let's assume the very worst kinds of sex offenders such as kiddie molestors) are statistically much more likely to reoffend when exposed to high levels of stress ... for example the kind of stress that comes from having a bunch of iphone-wielding soccer moms tsk-tsking to their friends ans scowling every time they see you in public ... the kind of stress that comes from being socially isolated and shunned when a person is making a good faith effort to get well again, be part of a neighbourhood, and function in society.

      Stress is a known addiction trigger, and this app is a guaranteed stress generator.

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    4. Re:Debt to society? by sckeener · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And last year they got a female resident under that bridge. She had been convicted of striping in front of a 14 year old. She was drunk at the time. Basically the offenders even after getting out of jail are given life sentences. I blame the fact that sex crimes are such a titillating topic that we have such restrictive measures against them. I'd be more worried about the druggie who's barely an adult living with his parents who has a previous burglary conviction. Many drugs are more addictive than sex and druggies aren't known for thinking rationally. Also if we keep ratching up the penalty for such crimes, we are going to have cases where the perp thinks 'might as well hang for a sheep as a lamb," and commit murder.

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    5. Re:Debt to society? by Evanisincontrol · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You consider 'dangerous' as a binary: Either you are and you should be locked up, or you are not and you should have all the rights that everyone else has. The real world is just not that simple...

      Agreed, he over simplified "dangerous" into a binary attribute, and it isn't that simple. However...

      an in-between form (you are not in prisson but you get watched very carefully) may allow offenders to return to freedom at least in some sense, while the higher probability of this person to commit a crime again is also addressed.

      The "watched very closely" thing can be worse than jail. A buddy of mine is guilty of having sex with a 16 year old when he was 18 (and a senior in high school), and spent time in prison for it. Now that he is out, he is being "watched very closely", just in case he decides to have sex with any girls only two years younger than him (???).

      However, that isn't the bad part. The bad part is that when he moved, he was forced to go door to door and tell people he was a sex offender. In under a year, he has had his house vandalized three times (people throw rocks through his windows or spray paint stuff like "RAPIST" on the front of his house). He is harassed on a fairly regular basis, despite his trying to explain the circumstances of his conviction. People in the neighborhood stare and point at him like he's a lesser form of life -- I'm honestly surprised no idiot redneck has tried to play superhero and run him over in the street.

      I'm starting to turn red as I'm get angrier and angrier, sitting here thinking about how fucking stupid people can be. When we allow arbitrary laws to label people as "sex offenders" under an utterly ridiculous set of rules, and then encourage people to outcast those "sex offenders" with little iPhone apps like this, we lose our humanity. We no longer rely on common sense to define our morals -- we let laws and toys do it for us. It's nothing short of absurd.

      Oh, and should you ever have a daughter, they come without the right developement tools so they may very well end up a little different than you hoped them to be.

      I hope with every fiber of my existence that my daughter is never harmed by some depraved rapist. However, with that same energy I also hope that the existing laws will be reformed dramatically (and soon) so that my son will never be labeled an outcast because he drank too much and peed on a tree.

  3. Cool! by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now when I'm in a strange town, I'll always be able to find the REALLY KINKY action!

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  4. Yay, eternal punishment. by hattig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I care more about knowing where known pickpockets are, in relation to my current whereabouts.

    Not whether someone got caught taking a piss behind a bush, or who had sex with someone two years younger than them when they were a teenager.

    When you overextend a label such as 'sex offender' (adding noise to signal), the label becomes meaningless, and those that actually deserve that label are less noticeable in the noise.

    But not before dumb vigilantes attack a few paediatricians ...

  5. Beware! Here be sex offenders! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Beware! Sex offenders!

    Doesn't take much to get people up in arms. Most of us imagine some rampaging dirty old man abducting screaming children from the streets. It's terrible. They need to be tracked and dealt with - obviously.

    But what percentage of the sex offenders really fit that description? How many were teenagers whose girlfriend/boyfriend was maybe a year or two younger than themselves? How many offenders were under age themselves at the time of the offence? Which offences are included in the category and what percentage of the offences fit into each of those categories? Does the category include men who have patted a women on the behind and ended up in court on the strength of it? Are women who brazenly expose their breasts at public events included too?

    Before we go bandying around the 50,000 figure let's at least establish what it means.

  6. Why Sex Offenders? by thisnamestoolong · · Score: 5, Informative

    What is with the excessive demonization of sex offenders today? What makes this class of crime the worst by such a large margin that we need a whole separate form of punishment? Why not a murderer registry? Certainly murder is a more serious crime, right?
    Furthermore, if the government can ascertain fully enough that these people are very dangerous and likely to commit their same crimes again, WTF are they doing free? Shouldn't they be in prison or a mental hospital if that is the case?

    BTW to the other posters -- only Class 2 and 3 sex offenders show up on the registry -- these are usually the nasty, malicious ones. The bush-pissers and streakers end up as Class 1. Still extremely odious, but not quite as bad, and their names are not made pubic, errr... public.

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    1. Re:Why Sex Offenders? by TheP4st · · Score: 4, Insightful
      What category is this?

      On January 19th, a Florida state appeals court decided that minors could be prosecuted for child pornography even if the subject of that pornography is him/herself. The case involved two Florida teens who took pictures of themselves involved in sexual behavior. The photos were intended for their own personal use and neither teen shared the photos with anyone else. From Police Blotter:

      On March 25, 2004, Amber and Jeremy took digital photos of themselves naked and engaged in unspecified âoesexual behavior.â The two sent the photos from a computer at Amberâ(TM)s house to Jeremyâ(TM)s personal e-mail address. Neither teen showed the photographs to anyone else. Court records donâ(TM)t say exactly what happened nextâ"perhaps the parents wanted to end the relationship and raised the alarmâ"but somehow Florida police learned about the photos. Amber and Jeremy were arrested. Each was charged with producing, directing or promoting a photograph featuring the sexual conduct of a child. Based on the contents of his e-mail account, Jeremy was charged with an extra count of possession of child pornography.

      Source

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  7. Pure bullshit by MikeRT · · Score: 5, Informative

    'Knowledge equals safety. They know where you and your family are...now it's time to turn the tables so that you know where they live and can make better decisions about where to allow your kids to play.'

    Oh really? The US DoJ's Inspector General had some withering criticism of the utility of the information sources this guy is relying on.

    "We found that the registries that make up the national sex offender registration system - the FBI's National Sex Offender Registry (NSOR) and the state public sex offender registries accessed through OJP's National Sex Offender Public Registry Website (NSOPR) - are inaccurate and incomplete. As a result, neither law enforcement officials nor the public can rely on the registries for identifying registered sex offenders, particularly those who are fugitives."

  8. Law of Unintended Consequences by Pentagram · · Score: 4, Funny

    This sounds like an excellent way for people with similar interests to hook up with each other. What could possibly go wrong?

  9. Sign me up! by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't like children. Can I register myself as in the list so that parents go make their spawnlings cry and shout somewhere else ? Can I register a dozen of imaginary offenders too ?

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  10. Re:Romeo and Juliet laws by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 3, Informative

    In most areas Romeo and Juliet laws protect people close in age.

    I know someone who spent years in jail because those Romeo18 and Juliet17 laws were determined to be inapplicable to Romeo18 and Romeo17.

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  11. Re:You'd have thought that a mobile provider by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 4, Funny

    We've tried tracking them with satellite imagery but that only shows they aren't on the roof of their house.

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  12. Safer with a list? Hardly. by rotide · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "So which is more important, the safety of the area or your rights to be left alone with a potentially dangerous ( to others ) illness still brewing."

    This is where I lose people. How does a list protect you, in _any_ way?

    Do you routinely allow your children to walk into the homes of strangers? I suppose this list would tell you what strangers houses should be off limits.

    Do you routinely follow _every_ "criminal" on the list in your given area and make certain to call your child on their cell phone to give them directions to "avoid" said "criminal? If so, I suppose this list could help.

    Fact of the matter is, list or no list, predators will hunt. They will hunt their prey. Children, cute women, men that look scared, etc, etc, etc. A list will do _nothing_ to stop a predator. Unless you really believe that a sick individual with intentions to harm "your" child really will second guess their decision and decide, "you know what, I'm on a list and should probably stay in and watch a movie instead of picking up and molesting that little boy down the street. I know my loins tingle at the thought but you know, that list calms me right down and makes me not want to do it now!". Ya, the list saved another!

    So again, how would a list like this _ever_ make you safer than before you had that list?

  13. Re:Most child molesters are family by matria · · Score: 5, Informative

    Right... when he's got his hands around my neck telling me how easy it would be to break my neck, and how he'd have to kill me and my mother to "protect himself" if I ever told her or anyone else. Obviously you don't know how this works, so at least I am fairly sure you're not a child molester yourself. But you cannot imagine how sick and tired I am of this "blame the victim" of whatever crime. I was molested because my father is a sick slimeball, not because somehow I "allowed it" or "asked for it"; I have no problems with my own involvement or lack thereof in the matter.

  14. Re:Awesome by Pvt_Ryan · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am currently writing an app for sex offenders to find victims....

  15. Re:Most child molesters are family by matria · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Tarzan of the Apes said to the beautiful young Countess de Coude, "One does not judge the gazelle by the lions that attack it." That book, with that line, read when I was about 14, literally saved my life. I wish all victims of abuse of all kinds could realize this. It's NOT YOUR FAULT!!!

  16. Re:Safer with a list? Hardly. by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That is a bullshit argument. Are you claiming that your hormones, now that you have children, make you incapable of deciding something rationally? That is sure what it looks like to me.

    "It's for the children" won't wash anymore. That excuse has been so grossly abused, and has been the cause of so much injustice, that I feel like spitting on anyone who says it anymore.