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How Wolfram Alpha's Copyright Claims Could Change Software

snydeq writes "Fatal Exception's Neil McAllister suggests that Wolfram Research's claim to copyright of results returned by the Wolfram Alpha engine could have significant ramifications for the software industry. 'While software companies routinely retain sole ownership of their software and license it to users, Wolfram Research has taken the additional step of claiming ownership of the output of the software itself,' McAllister writes, pointing out that it is 'at least theoretically possible to copyright works generated by machines.' And, under current copyright law, if any Wolfram claim to authorship of the output of its engine is upheld, by extension the same rules will apply to other information services in similar cases as well. In other words, 'If unique presentations based on software-based manipulation of mundane data are copyrightable, who retains what rights to the resulting works?'"

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  1. The key word... by Darkness404 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The key word is "claims". Until this is tested in court, anyone can say anything. I could make a contract that said anything, I could say for each click you owe me $50, however to collect that I would have to sue and most likely the judge would throw it out. Until this is tested in court, it means nothing.

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    1. Re:The key word... by Red+Alastor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't know when or why they stopped claiming that (legal or PR reasons?)

      Maybe they realized their position would mean the people making their compiler own their software?

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  2. Compiled binaries? by karl.auerbach · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Modern compilers do a lot of optimization. By analogy to the Wolfram claim could compiler optimized binaries be considered subject to a copyright via the compiler? That would be bad.

    1. Re:Compiled binaries? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      By analogy to the Wolfram claim could compiler optimized binaries be considered subject to a copyright via the compiler?

      That wouldn't be a creative work.

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    2. Re:Compiled binaries? by honkycat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's no more or less creative than what the Alpha software is doing. Both take an input from a human, apply some transformations to that, combine it with a library of other information, and produce something new is output.

      IMO the Alpha claim is totally bogus. There was creativity in writing the software, and anything it outputs that is hard coded is possibly eligible for copyright protection (i.e., a template phrasing for an answer), but claiming each output separately is ridiculous.

  3. They better not go there... by rayharris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The display on my monitor is now copyright Acer.
    The output of Garage Band is now copyright Apple.
    The document I just wrote in Word is now copyright Microsoft.
    The text message I just sent is copyright Verizon.
    The photo I just took is copyright Canon.

    This opens Pandora's box like you wouldn't believe. We should be restraining copyright, not expanding it.

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  4. Absurd by City+AnG3lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is absurd. They used programs to create their Alpha Engine. Does that mean that whoever wrote those programs owns their engine? It'll never fly.

  5. This is no different than the Yellow Pages by Lord+Byron+II · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A phone book publisher doesn't own the right to your phone number, nor does it own the exclusive right to print listings of phone numbers, but it does hold copyright to the unique presentation of phone numbers. That is, you can copy the phone numbers out of their book, reformat them, print it, and sell it, but you can't just photocopy each page and the sell that.

  6. Think: singularity by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Assume for a moment that Kurzweil is right, that people will be mergeable with machines, that your mind can be dowloaded into a neural simulator and run - recreating you, thoughts, memories, etc. All of you.

    So there you are, a process running on a computer, probably in some 3D game on steroids - eternal life! But if this copyright grab stands, and the software running the simulator is copyrighted, does that mean that your very thoughts are copyrighted, too?

    If you assume a materialist definition of the world, that what we see is what is, and there's no spirit, no Valhalla, no flying spaghetti monster, then we humans are, in fact, a functioning material machine.

    Thought police, indeed.

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  7. Re:This is not new - NMAP is the same. by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NMap uses a modified GPL license that states that the output from the NMap program itself is subject to copyright and the GPL.

    I can state that the sky is green, but it don't make it so.

    Yes, the NMap authors claim that a program which "Executes Nmap and parses the results" is a derivative work, but that doesn't make it so. They don't actually claim the output is copyrighted.