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Linguistic Clue Pushes Back Origin of "World's Oldest Computer"

Calopteryx points out a piece at New Scientist which suggests that the Antikythera mechanism may be even older than previously thought; an ancient Greek word on of the device's dials suggests the device may date to the early second century BC. The article is accompanied by a great animation of its (deduced) workings, too.

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  1. Re:Computer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I disagree with you.
    This not a free form stick and sand device.
    It's a mechanical device that deterministically computes planetary data based on user input.
    It's a highly specialized computer in my book.

  2. Full res video and more info. by yogibaer · · Score: 4, Informative

    This device is awesome and gives you a glimpse what the "Ancients" ("Stargate" pun intended) already knew and how much of our history is lost. Imagine for a moment if there had been an uninterrupted development from the knowledge that went into this little box for 2000 years. Makes Steling/Gibbons tale of "The Difference Engine" pale by comparison. I read a fascinating book about the discovery and science of this mechanism ("Decoding the Heavens": http://www.decodingtheheavens.com/) and it ist is truly mind boggling how much skill went into this box, 1500 years before we "modern" people build anything remotely as sophisticated. While reading the book I had some trouble to imagine all the wheels and gears described and the full res video is very helpful (can be found here: http://www.mogi-vice.com/Antikythera/Antikythera-it.html (italian)). Very well done, indeed, Signore!.

  3. Re:It it hadn't been for the Catholic Church .. by MemoryDragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ah to add an example the so called dark middle ages, were the foundation of the first universities in paris and there was a huge exchange between the scholars of france and granada (which was the science capital of that time)

    The situation was simply that the roman empire was crushed and so in the european world science was lost what was saved mostly could be found in cloisters which also opened the first schools, the other roman world the byzantime empire still had it thriving but was constantly under war so they had higher priorities, but nevertheless all the science also went into the arabic world and from then again into europe!

  4. Re:It it hadn't been for the Catholic Church .. by MemoryDragon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not more than many other churches, as soon as extremists have a certain percentage every religion starts to suck.
    There are churches on the protestant side and on the orthodox side which are so extreme that the catholic church looks like a bunch of liberal hippies compared to them.

  5. Re:It it hadn't been for the Catholic Church .. by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Informative

    And build universities and schools and fund scientists. Funny how Europe can have so many old universities isn't it?

    [citation needed]

    University of Bologna, founded in 1088 and received a charter from Frederick I, King of Germany and Italy in 1158.
    Salamanca - founded by Alfonso IX, King of Spain in 1218
    University of Paris - founded between 1160 and 1170 and later recognized by Pope Innocent III (who was a graduate in 1182).
    University of Oxford - founded in the 11th century, not by any pope.
    University of Cambridge - founded by students fleeing the University of Oxford...
    University of Padua, founded 1122 by students of the University of Bologna

    in fact, here's a link for you, where you can see that really not that many universities were founded by popes - especially outside of the Italian peninsula, and most of those were founded 200+ years after the first universities because Italy was starting to lag far behind the rest of the world. The renaissance may have begun in Italy, but if you look at the names of the great scientists, most of them are German, French or English.

    I will argue that the pope's main interests in the universities was to assure that the "fourth" doctrine, theology, was taught properly, and that none of the other fields of study (law, medicine and philosophy) strayed from permitted doctrine.

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  6. An even earlier "device" for calculations by vorlich · · Score: 3, Informative
    Existed in prehistory and takes the form of the Harry Potter Wizards hat, where the markings are used to calculate the position of the moon and to predict the seasons. You can see a magnificent example of this in the Staatliche Museen Berlin http://www.smb.museum/smb/sammlungen /details.php?lang=en&objID=15&p=24&typeId=1&img_id=2 .

    a 3,000-year-old 30in high Bronze Age cone of beaten gold that was discovered in Switzerland in 1995 and purchased by the museum the following year.

    Full story in a Telegraph article: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/1388038/Mysterious-gold-cones-hats-of-ancient-wizards.html

    And, no it doesn't run linux but it may be possible to imagine a beowulf cluster of them.

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