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Apple and the Scalability of Secrecy

RobotsDinner writes "Anil Dash has a thoughtful exploration of Apple's notorious devotion to secrecy, and argues that not only is there a limit to its feasibility, but that recent events show Apple has reached that limit already. 'If the ethical argument is unpersuasive, then focus on the long-term viability of your marketing and branding efforts, and realize that a technology company that is determined to prevent information from being spread is an organization at war with itself. Civil wars are expensive, have no winners, and incur lots of casualties.'"

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  1. I PREDICT by linhares · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That after the FCC probing into Apple's nasty rejection of Google Voice, from now on we're gonna have to live with Michael Arrington proclaiming how, in his modesty and disregard for material things he saved the world from tyranny.

    May god have mercy on us all.

    Yet, as I mentioned in the other /. submission, here is one tiny shred of reason to think that a government entity might, just might, have a tiny shred of value. And the FCC made it clear that a "blanket" of confidential docs concerning this would not be accepted, which means at least *some* info concerning the latest brouhauha will be public. Seriously, for once, kudos to the FCC.

    1. Re:I PREDICT by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I would have rather had the FTC or the DOJ, lauching this probe rather than the FCC.

      I doubt the FCC can tell Apple what they can and can't put in their app store. The FCC simply has no standing in this area. Apple may not want to piss off the agency that approves new handsets, but realistically the FCC has little leverage on Apple.

      The FCC does have jurisdiction to hold ATT's feet to the flame.

      If it turns out that ATT told Apple not to accept these apps, citing some boilerplate non-compete clause in their contract, that would be a Microsoft Moment. (Microsoft ordered Compaq to restore IE to prominence on the desktop, or lose the right to sell windows. Justice department saw it differently).

      There is always the possibility that Apple quietly leaked to FCC that ATT was violating some rules/regs. Apple would make sure they too get called on the carpet at the same time as ATT for plausible deny ability reasons.

      And we can't overlook the possibility of Google quietly putting its oar in.

      Who ever made the decision to block Google Voice, picked the absolute worst time to do so. Congress has already sent the FCC on a slash and burn mission into the cell phone market.

      Of late, the FCC has actually seemed to be on the side of Joe Average Citizen, compared to 10 or 20 years ago. Yes, they might come out with another Janet Jackson ruling, but it is equally likely something good will come of this.

      We can only wait and see.

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  2. Re:I bought an ipod touch today, it's going back. by sam0737 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Openness where are you?

    Android?

  3. Re:I bought an ipod touch today, it's going back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    I run Linux too. I just "activated" it with a friend's Windows machine. Then you can use it completely without iTunes, including the downloading of songs/apps. Don't give up so easily, it's a good product.

  4. Re:Wow! by anildash · · Score: 4, Informative

    While I admittedly was stretching the technical definition of "scale" when titling my original post that's linked here, the word also has a meaning in non-technical contexts, within which this made sense. I could have gone with something like "Is Secrecy Tenable?" or something like that, but for better or worse we tend to find alliteration evocative in English. At any rate, if your only quibble is with one word from the 2000+ I wrote in the article, then I think I'm pleased that the rest of the message is resonating.

  5. sometimes secrecy is necessary by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I happen to work in the game industry - there is a lot of secrecy in our industry too, by absolute necessity. Most games would get crucified if they got leaked to the press or the public too early in the dev cycle. Most people are not used to filling in the blanks - ignoring the rough edges, or even disregarding the aspects of an early product that just plain suck. That's all part of the development process, but consumers are used to seeing just the slick, final product (well, even that's not guaranteed nowadays unfortunately).

    There's also some other very good reasons not to go blathering on about features that haven't even been developed yet: those features might get cut for budgetary, creative, or technical reasons, and then you look like an ass for not delivering on what you promised.

    I'm not defending Apple's business practices necessarily, but I'm just saying that throwing your doors open to the press and public isn't the panacea that this guys is making it out to be.

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    1. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by dasmoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, but the general public don't really care that they have to use itunes to copy songs. The database that itunes generates when copying your files across makes the interface respond quicker. Sure, there's other music solutions, some better, but most are worse.
      Also, if you want your hardware to look nice, it needs to have less openings, less buttons. If you want it to work all of the time, you have to take out the ability for human error. Apple gets this, and because of that people get apple products.

      Don't get get me wrong - Linux is what I do for a job. I'd still be hard pressed to be recommending it to anyone who didn't know what they were doing, because there's far too many things they could mess with that would break it.

    2. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by nedlohs · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because attempting to overwrite an entire partition with an mp3 file makes perfect sense.

    3. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by christoofar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Agreed. Apple is no different than game developers justifying its secrecy. This isn't about AAPL's technology. We already know what they use for technology ever since Steve left NeXT and turned AAPL into a BSD Unix shop.

      It's all about their marketing arm. Their entire branding is all about total ease of use from every angle from hardware to software and the sleek, elegant design. This is not like MSFT where the entire industry cuts them slack for turning out a totally unfinished, buggy or otherwise complete failure (WindowsME, Vista).

      Apple's clique in life has always been young, urban, chic, sexy. Anything that peels away all that makeup and reveals the sausage underneath is seen in Cuptertino as a potential catastrophe to Apple's public image.

      Microsoft's culture never painted itself into a corner this way. Bless their hearts, they're still plugging away at the Zune.

    4. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "after trying to cp *.mp3 /dev/sdb1"

      Let me tell you about a little tool called "mount."

    5. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by jcr · · Score: 4, Funny

      it took me 45 minutes to figure out how to play music on the damn thing

      It took you 45 minutes to figure out how to use an iPod, and you're somehow capable of using a web browser and navigating to /.?

      I've given iPods to little kids who've figured them out in about as much time as it took to connect the USB cable.

      -jcr

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    6. Re:sometimes secrecy is necessary by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The OP should have phrased it better: "It took me 45 mins to release that syncing to an iPod is different than copying files to a USB drive using Linux. I returned it because it didn't work they way I wanted it to work." The reason why the iPod is so popular is the fact that if you accept the default settings, it takes you one step to sync: Plug in the USB cable. Before the iPod, the process took multiple steps and varied depending on device. Not exactly the most consumer friendly process. Before the iPod, MP3 players were simply geek gadgets because it took a geek to operate one. Apple made them consumer gadgets and making the sync process easy was necessary to accomplish it.

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  6. seems kind of stupid by tgibbs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article seems kind of stupid. For example, he dismisses the motive of withholding information from competitors who might want to create rush knock-offs on the grounds that "no amount of secrecy will stop it." This is a like arguing that nobody should lock their doors, because houses get burgled anyway, and no amount of locks will stop it. He argues that copying is "a normal part of the business cycle," begging the question of whether it is beneficial to the company that is copied--and ignores the fact that trade secrets are also a normal part of business. He implies that Apple might somehow be culpable in the suicide of an employee, even though there is no evidence whatsoever that Apple drove him to suicide, and the apparent motive (to the extent that anything is known)--failing in one's responsibility--can be and has been a motive for suicide in many contexts that do not necessarily involve secrecy.

    Even if there are some valid grounds for criticizing Apple's policies (and it is hard to defend some of their litigious actions), the obvious bias behind such obviously fallacious arguments undermines the case

  7. Not Scalability, Marketability by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There has been some recent discussion on Macrumors about Apple's discontinuation of their video composting software Shake. And several of the posters point out that Apple's "cloud of secrecy" around products and their roadmaps is one of the major contributing factors in people migrating away from Shake. In the consumer space, such secrecy is allowable and even generates hype. But in a business where production software needs to be STABLE, both in the technical and support sense, the idea that "we can't tell you what will happen next" simply doesn't fly.

  8. This article misses the point that by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Apple's customers are not the same customers as those of other computing companies (a silly, obvious statement, but apparently not so obvious that it doesn't need to be said).

    Things that are clear:

    Apple is doing very well right now.
    Apple is doing very well as a very secretive company.
    Apple's current customers, which are the reason it's doing very well, support Apple while it's a very secretive company.

    Things that have been the subject of much speculation:

    Apple's customers buy in many cases for non-technical reasons.
    Apple's customers buy in many cases for social, identity, or personality reasons.

    Things that are also clear:

    It cannot be ruled out that Apple's secrecy contributes to the loyalty of its customer base, which is not congruent to the customer base of other technology companies.
    It cannot be ruled out, therefore, that a reduction in secrecy would alienate some current customers.
    It cannot be guaranteed that a reduction in secrecy would gain Apple an equivalent number of new customers.

    Synopsis:

    If I'm Apple, and I'm having the best few years in a very, very long time for the company, I am not . changing. a . thing .

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    1. Re:This article misses the point that by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right. Name one tech company that gets the same amount of press. Name one tech company whose press events are always packed. Name one tech company whose press events and keynote speeches are ALWAYS liveblogged.

      That's advertising too, and it seems to be working.

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  9. Re:Wow! by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anil,

    When I started working at Apple, a colleague in product marketing explained to me exactly what the secrecy was worth to the company, in dollar terms.

    Apple got the cover of time magazine when the iMac G4 came out. Apple got that coverage, because they had something to offer to Time, and they had it to offer because of the diligence with which they maintained secrecy. You can't buy Time's front cover as an ad placement. If you could, it's easily worth tens of millions of dollars. Your claim that Apple doesn't get free press due to the secrecy is complete nonsense.

    The rest of your list is basically pulled out of your ass.

    -jcr

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  10. You can keep secrets by valen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, this is bullshit. You can keep secrets as long as the people involved think secrecy is warranted.

      Google have an astonishing track record of not leaking projects to the press. They've worked on some incredible stuff, and the vast majority don't get leaked at all, or get leaked accidentally. Huge numbers of internal/infrastructure projects never get told about outside the company. Sure, some projects are pre-announced because by working with outside companies they assume there will be leaks (ChromeOS, Android).

      Internally people get told "Please don't leak unannounced projects. A leak could cause your co-workers to have to launch an unfinished or unpolished project ahead of time, reducing the impact of months or years of their time".

      The problem with Apple is that they work with a lot of outside agents, all of whom can leak without thinking of the personal consequences to friends, just financial/legal ones (which can be avoided). Their own engineers have a pretty good track record of keeping quiet about 'important' things.

  11. I work at Apple by Daniel+Weis · · Score: 5, Funny

    I work at Apple and I know exactly how scalable our system of secrecy is.

    Thing is, I can't tell you about it since it is, itself, a secret. Sorry! :D

  12. Re:Wow! by garote · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This was one of the reasons Apple extricated itself from the major trade shows years ago, and completed the transition last year: Sometimes they have something big to announce, sometimes they don't. The fact that there's a trade show scheduled is not an indicator of one or the other.

  13. Re:Wow! by Old97 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gee, you must be a self made billionaire with all this business insight you have. Apple doesn't look for market share. A lot of companies such as Honda and BMW, don't. Others, like GM and Toyota do seek to maximize market share. Would you rather invest in GM or Honda? Apple looks to maximize its ROI and that in part means sustaining relatively high margins. They've been wildly successful at doing that since Jobs returned. If Apple played the same game as Dell or Microsoft, they'd not be as successful as they are. They'd be another Dell or Microsoft or they'd be out of business.

    As to what is "good for the consumers". That's not what major corporations are about. Their job is to maximize profits/shareholder value. There are many strategies for accomplishing that. Microsoft and Dell have theirs and Apple has its. Doing what is "good for consumers" is sometimes a byproduct, but that is not their primary goal. It's the market and the "invisible hand" that are supposed to deliver an end result that is "good for the consumers".

    Business and markets are not about morality or altruism. They are about return on investment. The theory is that this will end up being good for "everyone" and sometimes it works out that way, but it's not the responsibility of the participating concerns to forego their own economic self-interests in order to accomplish that.

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