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Even More Restriction For German Internet

tikurion writes "It's only been a few weeks since the law dubbed Zugangserschwerungsgesetz (access impediment law) was passed in the German Parliament despite over 140,000 signatures of people opposed to it. The law will go into effect in mid-October 2009. Now Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen implied in an interview that she is planning on extending the reach of the law, claiming '...or else the great Internet is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly.' More on golem.de via Google translate (here is the German original)."

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  1. Umm.. why? by NervousNerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now Minister for Family Affairs Ursula von der Leyen implied

    There shouldn't even be a family affairs department. What families do is their own matter, unless they do something illegal.

    1. Re:Umm.. why? by SerpentMage · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's called Social department in the Anglo Saxon world... All countries have "family affairs" departments.

      But besides that I do find it problematic on what the German government is proposing. If they truly did believe what they did, they would actually fix the school system first! The German school system is a mess and is prone to the exact problems that von der Leyen is trying to solve in the Internet. But hey fixing the school system would mean that von der Leyen would actually have to do something, you know her job!

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  2. Minister for Family Affairs by sakdoctor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why are the most innocuous sounding positions in government, always the most malevolent?

    Minister for Family Affairs
    Home secretary

    I will literally shit myself if my government appoints a minister of puppies, pink ponies and day old baby ducklings.

    1. Re:Minister for Family Affairs by dido · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Those are some of the finest examples of actual Orwellian doublespeak in the real world. Read 1984 sometime, and perhaps you'll get a glimmer of understanding. The Ministry of Peace is engaged in making war, the Ministry of Truth falsifies history, the Ministry of Love tortures and punishes those who do not love Big Brother, and the Ministry of Plenty oversees poverty and shortages.

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  3. " I say Freedom " by testman123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Citizens of the world, dark forces are at work in most of our democracies. They plans to get control of a power tool & medium: the internet. Their aim at restoring the "control on information and the oligopolies" of the previous millennium and extending it further any known limits.

    Most of them claim, it is to restore "good old values". But the real reason behind all those bigotries is the money my friend!
    The fight for freedom as started.

    But, the force of the cipher is among us ;-)
    Are you ready ?

  4. We need to lock everyone in their houses by FranTaylor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Or else the great outdoors is in danger of turning into a lawless range of chaos, where you're allowed to bully, insult, and deceive limitlessly.

  5. wrong by lordharsha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the great Internet is in danger

    Pity she can't see that the threat is from people like her.

     

    turning into a lawless range of chaos

    In other words, a free and uncensored global platform for communication

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  6. Free advertising for the Pirate party. by Ihlosi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Apparently, some people in the German government haven't realized yet that the Pirate party has made it on the ballots in some places, and that the next election is less than two months away.

    Just keep giving them some more free advertising.

    Completely unrelated, I'd also see some legislation allowing the Federal Constitutional Courts to hand out savage beatings with the clue stick to everyone involved in drafting and passing unconstitutional laws. And they should broadcast it on TV, too.

  7. Re:4chan by purpledinoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess I should rephrase: I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans used to.

  8. Re:4chan by karstux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not all is lost in Germany. Political activism against the ongoing restriction of our civil rights is strongly on the rise. The petition against the censorship law has been mentioned in the article, and our Pirate Party has gained thousands of new members in the past few months. It has done pretty well in the European elections this year, and I think that public awareness to civil rights matters has improved since then. I strongly hope the Pirates will enter the Bundestag (parliament) in September.

    Our government has used pretty underhanded techniques to push these laws, effectively grouping all opposition to the censorship law with child molesters. So if you ask someone on the street if "they're against a law which will combat child pornography on the internet", of course they will decline. On the other hand, if you asked them if "government and police should be able to censor the internet at will", the result would surely be different.

    By the way, this phenomenon is not unique to Germany. In America, civil rights have been whittled away with terrorists as a scarecrow.

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  9. Re:4chan by Stachybotris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What I find even crazier is that most Germans I've talked to agree with this speech law. I suppose Germans don't value free speech as much as the Americans.

    I'm going to Godwin this, but only because it's true...

    IIRC, it's not that Germans don't value the freedom of expression, but rather that they're still suffering from a pretty bad case of what we'd term 'pendulum swing'. You see, after World War II ended, they got a little touchy about people being able to openly spew hateful and hurtful speeches. They clamped down pretty hard on peoples' ability to say what they want, though not directly through legislation, and it never really let up. To this day the Germans still remember what happened to them as a nation the last time bullying, lying, and insulting others went unchecked - they started a war that involved a fairly large number of countries and ended up with them losing and, essentially, being split in two. So, as a result, the older generation, and even the current on (albeit to a lesser extent) is really strict about policing itself.

    Penny Arcade's 'Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory' also comes into play here... When hiding behind a screen of semi-anonymity, people with an audience will say and do just about anything to get a rise out of others. This is, unfortunately, part of human nature.

    Given that, it's not difficult to see why they're overly sensitive about what people do and say on-line. They're trying, in their own misguided and ill-conceived way, to put the same sort of self-policing mechanism in place on the web that they use in real-life. But since they have to deal with an enormous number of outside influences (read: every site on the internet that doesn't originate in Germany), they have to use the club of law instead of the softer form of social pressure that works when people are standing around talking in the town square. Unfortunately for them, the 'net and the town square aren't the same thing and certainly don't work the same way.

    Or, to summarize; this law, though probably poorly-written, is conceived with good intentions, though we all know how that goes.

  10. Re:Das ist verboten. by Repossessed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Heaven:
    Where the police are British,

    In heaven they write you up as a terrorist for taking pictures?

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  11. Re:4chan by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I even question the intentions of the law.

    The alleged intention of the law is to make viewing child porn impossible or at least make it a lot harder. There are videos on YouTube how it's possible to circumvent the problem in a matter of 10 seconds. Even child protection organisations called the law "short sighted" and "useless", if they were friendly and didn't want to use stronger words.

    Instead, what will happen? Someone browsing for CP will encounter this stop-page. If he's dumb, he'll browse through. If he's smart, he will start looking around for IP masking tools, making it even harder to find them if (not when, but if) a server containing such material is raided and IP logs are analyzed. Over time, the only IP addresses from Germany will be those of TOR exit nodes and similar tools, which in turn will result in a crackdown against anonymizing services.

    Also, some politicians already "thought" about expanding the number of sites, to encompass other "undesirable" pages (like, say, TPB and similar "illegal" pages). Once such a tool is in existance, it will be abused. And I'm not so convinced that abuse has not been part of the idea altogether.

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