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First Ever Criminal Arrest For Domain Name Theft

Domain Name News writes "Until recently, there hasn't been a case of a domain theft where the thief was caught and arrested. However, on July 30th, Daniel Goncalves was arrested at his home in Union, New Jersey and charged in a landmark case, the first criminal arrest for domain name theft in the United States. 'Cases of domain name theft have not typically involved a criminal prosecution because of the complexities, financial restraints and sheer time and energy involved. If a domain name is stolen, the victim of the crime in most cases would need experience with the technical and legal intricacies associated with the domain name system. To move the case forward, they would also need a law enforcement professional who understands the case or is willing to take the time to learn. For example, the Angels told us that in their case they called their local law enforcement in Florida who sent a uniformed officer in a squad car to their home. The first thing you can imagine the officer asked was, "What's a domain?"'"

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  1. Met One of The OG Domain Thiefs by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Funny

    Back in 1995, I was working as a salesman at Circuit City and sold a VCR to Steve Cohen, the guy who stole sex.com. He was bragging to me about how he'd been offered a million bucks for it but wasn't going to sell. Then he ended up returning the VCR. What a tool.

    1. Re:Met One of The OG Domain Thiefs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well of course he returned the VCR. How could you steal sex.com and not know that you can get all the porn you want for free off the internet. Who needs a VCR.

    2. Re:Met One of The OG Domain Thiefs by dhermann · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow, what an amazing but totally unverifiable story!

    3. Re:Met One of The OG Domain Thiefs by syousef · · Score: 2, Funny

      Back in 1995, I was working as a salesman at Circuit City and sold a VCR to Steve Cohen, the guy who stole sex.com. He was bragging to me about how he'd been offered a million bucks for it but wasn't going to sell. Then he ended up returning the VCR. What a tool.

      Aren't you a little old to be believing in the porn fairy?

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  2. Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

    The first thing you can imagine the officer asked was, "What's a domain?".'"

    Why can't they be smart and well-versed in all things, like IT Professionals?

    1. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by oodaloop · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because people who dedicate themselves to the service of others, the improvement of their community, and betterment of society are stupid fascist pigs, and should be treated as such. Right slashdot?

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    2. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't think it was intended to be calling police officers dumb. Rather, I think the whole idea is that of law enforcement having to deal with obscure technical things that are totally outside of their expertise. Which is why this story is so interesting. The line is starting to blur between cyberspace and meatspace.

      So long as the cop never uses the term "meatspace" he'll be a better man than both of us.

    3. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The same fascist pigs that you won't hesitate to call if you hear someone breaking into your house at 2:00 in the morning?

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    4. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Atlantis-Rising · · Score: 2, Informative

      Robert Peel would disagree:

      Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.

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    5. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by horatiocain · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If (haha) homosexuality was illegal and the duty of police was to arrest and imprison those 'mos, would they still just be doing their job? Or would they be signing up to do something wrong?

      If I get paid to spam people, am I just doing my job when I spam your email? What if I get paid to write anti-Semitic propaganda? Would you say a certain type of person takes those jobs?

      There is a moral imperative not to accept a job the duties of which are corrupt. That's pretty easy to understand.

    6. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by hummassa · · Score: 3, Funny

      Your post is intelligent, well-tought, well-written, and your argument is consistent and relevant to the discussion at hand. Obviously, you are facing being banned by /. :-D

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    7. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now the next time you see a police officer, whether it is because you got pulled over for speeding or just that they happen to be in a store at the same time you are, tell them THANK YOU for doing the job they do.

      Should I thank the homophobe pig for busting queers in the park while letting the straight people go (because straight people having sex in the park is romantic)?

      Should I thank him for arresting people that buy too much cold medicine because we make the assumption that they'll make meth with it?

      Should I thank him for arresting people and impounding their car over a joint in the ashtray?

      And of course, the idea that a taser is only lethal to someone "hopped up on drugs" is absurd, and the evidence doesn't support it.

      National Association for the Ascendancy of Crappy People, New Black Panthers

      I think we all see you're agenda here. Quite a departure from your usual "kill all niggers" post, eh?

      No, cops are NOT good people. Cops are immoral scumbags, and they shouldn't be thanked.

    8. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As perplexing as it is for me to disagree with someone who links to Jeff Cooper, even if it is Wikipedia, the idea that cops need to be better armed for safety reasons is far overblown.

      In the US being a cop is safer than being a fisherman. And the relatively few cops who are hurt or killed on the job get it from traffic accidents, not suspects shooting them or beating them or the like. So if you really want to help keep cops safe you should argue to abolish high speed chases. But since traffic accidents don't play well on TV but 2 guys robbing a bank in body armor does, the change cops get is an AR they'll never used in the trunk of their cruiser while they choke slam the guy who on the verge of a diabetic coma because they haven't been trained well enough to recognize he isn't drunk.

      They'll shoot that AR once a year, when they qual, and that is it.

      I'm usually someone's guest at the SHOT show. In the five years I've been going the cop supply people have slowly merged to become indistinguishable from the military supply people, pitching SWAT level gear as indispensible for every beat cop out there. This is almost all pointless chest thumping. Most of that gear will never be used.

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    9. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Dishevel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lots? Define lots. Is lots more than or less than the number of people who pull out a weapon and make the thieves run off? Is lots more than or less than the number of lives saved by guns in home. Is lots just a number that people who hate guns pull out of their asses?

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    10. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by forand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are aware that police are able to do their jobs in many countries without access to firearms on a daily basis at all. And it is very inaccurate if not deceptive to say that requiring police officers to use non-lethal force would "harm the police." While I do not think police should be forced to go unprotected on raids and what not, they need to be better trained on how and when to use both lethal and non-lethal force. In a recent case in Ohio a police officer used his taser in groin area of a minor while the minor was already subdued. Such actions make it difficult for many of us to trust police with ANY weapons. The fact that many of the actions taken by such "dicks" are left unpunished by their fellow officers, or the law in general, makes it very difficult for the public to trust any of them and, I believe, much more difficult for them to do their jobs.

      Basically I think we should pay our police better and demand they follow the letter of the law they are hired to enforce. But arguing that their job is hard so we should let them act illegally just unacceptable.

    11. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem ends up in extreme cases, like the one in BC, Canada with the Polish guy that couldn't speak English. He was tazed *8 times* until he has a seizure and died.

      There are a lot of cops that are using things like tazers at times when they wouldn't use a gun. Got a perp that is cooperating, but yelling at you? I've got the solution! Threaten to taze him if he doesn't shut up! Can you tell me that at anytime in history a cop would have pulled a gun on someone that was yelling and arguing with them, but *NOT* being threatening towards the cop in a physical sense? Is that what used to happen before the Black Panthers 'defanged' the police department?

      The problem is that the police have no respect to tazers that they do for guns. They will not hesitate to use a tazer in a situation where they would hesitate to use a gun. This might be fine if the tazer had no risks associated with it, but it does. And police departments and corporations selling the devices want to play down the risks... this only encourages police officers that there is no risk in using a tazer on someone just because they are being loud and won't shut up when asked. Give me a break!

    12. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by pnewhook · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If someone is breaking into my home at 2am, they better hope they can run faster than buckshot. The call is for the cops or coroner to come clean up the mess.

      And then the cop will arrest you for manslaughter. You do realize that self defense requires the application of only that amount of force necessary?

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    13. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by g1zmo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And you clearly don't realize that the laws of a particular jurisdiction may very well be different from the applicable laws where you live.

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    14. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Police mortality rates are not even among the top ten for most dangerous jobs in America. Loggers, Pilots, Fishermen, Steel Workers, Garbage Men, Farmers, Roofers, Electricians, Truck Drivers, and Taxi Drivers all have a higher death rate by at least THREE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.

      Next time you see your local Garbage Collector, be sure to tell them THANK YOU for doing the job they do.

    15. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Artifex · · Score: 3, Informative

      If someone is breaking into my home at 2am, they better hope they can run faster than buckshot. The call is for the cops or coroner to come clean up the mess.

      And then the cop will arrest you for manslaughter. You do realize that self defense requires the application of only that amount of force necessary?

      I live in Texas. If I fear for my life or am afraid for my property, pretty much I can use whatever force is necessary to make the bad man go away.

      (Yes, some terrible abuses of castle laws have happened. Doesn't mean they don't exist)

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    16. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by sumdumass · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most criminals are scared of being shot so they will move on to something else or attempt the break in when you are not home.

      About the only way they will shoot you first knowing you have a gun is if you are specifically targeted before hand. In that case, I'm not sure how many people will be in a different situation with or without a gun.

      Seriously, think about it. How many cops who wear their guns on their side in plain view are mugged each year? It isn't the hat the protects them more then anyone else. The badge doesn't do much either because the same rules for killing them can apply there too.

    17. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, no. They know to try next door where there's a chance that the owner is not armed.

      To test, put this sign on your lawn: "No guns in the house" Get back to us.

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    18. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by similar_name · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well yes, if he lives in the jungles of Bolivia I guess he could get away with shooting a trespasser.

      Or he could live in Texas. See Make My Day Law or Castle Doctrine. Of note is it gives you the right to defend your property against intrusion which may lead to violent attack.

      I've often wondered does this mean that if someone sneaks into your back yard at 2 in the morning and drown in your pool, are you responsible? But if you shoot them as they come onto your property then are you within your rights?

    19. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by Seraphim1982 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If the criminal knows, or suspects that your armed they know to shoot you inorder to guaruntee their own safety.

      If the criminal knows, or suspects that you're armed they know they'd be better off going after a different target.

    20. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by leetwanker · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plus is repels demons and ghosts, evil spirits of all sorts! Double good! ;)

    21. Re:Oh, Those Dumb Police Officers! by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 3, Funny
      Guy 1:

      National Association for the Ascendancy of Crappy People

      Guy 2:

      No, cops are NOT good people. Cops are immoral scumbags, and they shouldn't be thanked.

      WTF? In a rare departure from form, both sides of the discussion are morons. I don't know who to root for!

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  3. nice stereotype. by gandhi_2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    The first thing you can imagine the officer asked was, "What's a domain?".

    Right before the cop knocked your pocket-protector-wearing geek ass out.

  4. What he actually did by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Quoth TFA:

    Daniel Goncalves, the 25 year old law firm computer technician arrested on Thursday, reportedly hacked in to the Angelâ(TM)s AOL email account, used that information to retrieve the login details for the P2P.com from the Godaddy.com domain account. Goncalves performed an internal âoedomain pushâ transfer,which in effect transfered the domain name to another Godaddy account that he owned. Goncalves reportedly also falsified Paypal.com transaction records in an attempt to cover his trail and provide evidence that made it appear that he purchased the domain name for $900 from the Angels. The domain was listed in the name of Daniel Louvado during this time period (a bogus name consisting of Goncalves first name and his fiances last name).

    In late 2006, Goncalves put the domain name P2P.com up for sale on eBay.com and on September 24, 2006 the eBay.com auction for the domain P2P.com closed in the amount of $111,000.

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  5. Come on... by CWRUisTakingMyMoney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The first thing you can imagine the officer asked was, "What's a domain?"

    I get it! Cops are all dumb, lazy, and technically illiterate!

    Seriously, everyone. I know we all resent cops, but to imply that a whole department can't find a single officer who knows what a domain is is ridiculous and insulting. Let's try to keep our government/authority-hate at least sort of grounded in reality.

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    1. Re:Come on... by Roogna · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You know, it didn't sound like they were trying to imply the cop was dumb. But that the legal system itself isn't able to redirect these kinds of reported crimes to the proper people within. Such as this, where for a domain name theft, they sent a officer, to the door of a house. Obviously that would be his first question, because he was the incorrect layer of law enforcement to even have responded to such a report, not because he was dumb. Now on the flip side, they probably shouldn't have been calling local police over it in the first place, but instead probably (and this is my guess, I may very well be incorrect myself) the FBI. But that's more the point, depending on the "crime" one may have to contact any of a number of different places and it's not all that clear, I think even to law enforcement professionals, let alone those -not- in law enforcement, on who to contact for what.

    2. Re:Come on... by Dunbal · · Score: 2

      Let's try to keep our government/authority-hate at least sort of grounded in reality.

            Yes, we should all just roll over and pretend to be happy when criminal charges are brought against breaches of civil law. It's the new game in the US, has been for the past decade or so. I'm happy that the rate of violent crime in the US is so low that law enforcement has time to tase 70 year olds because their sons were speeding, tase and pepper spray epileptics having seizures, and arrest people for "stealing" a domain name.

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    3. Re:Come on... by syousef · · Score: 2, Informative
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    4. Re:Come on... by Cramer · · Score: 2, Informative

      If what I've read is true, he commited several crimes... breaking into the AOL account (computer trespass) to gain access to the godaddy account (computer trespass, fraud, wire fraud, ...), creating false transactions to cloud the picture and give the false impression that the domain was bought (fraud, banking fraud, CC fraud, ...) -- not sure what was involved there, and then sold the stolen property on ebay for a huge profit. This is indeed a matter for criminal court.

  6. DNN? by neonprimetime · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is anybody else in shock that there is actually a website devoted entirely to Domain Name News?

  7. Re:Intricies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Opposite of extrex.

  8. Headline should read... by arcsimm · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Sleazy Well-Funded Ex-Attorney Domain Name Speculator Pushes Arrest Of Crooked Hacker." Seriously, the victim here is a cybersquatter.

    1. Re:Headline should read... by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yeah, I was thinking that too. There really aren't any good guys in this case.

      I know it would open up a huge can of worms, but I've often thought that domain name ownership ought to be like land owenership under the Homestead Act. That is, if you're the first person to apply for a domain, you get it for free, but you have to "improve" it, i.e., do something with it other than just sitting on it and hoping someone will pay you a bunch of money, in a certain amount of time or you don't get to keep it. Impractical, I know, but the whole idea of domain name squatting is just irritating as hell.

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  9. Obligatory grammar Nazism by bwintx · · Score: 3, Informative

    Several references to "Angel's" in TFA should be "Angels'," meaning the possessive form of the plural proper noun Angels.

    So much for my positive karma... [sigh]

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  10. A slightly different way to resolve this by Rastl · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Mind you, I heard the story from the person who had the domain name stolen and then returned. The story may have been embellished for effect. But it's still darn good.

    Someone I know owns a highly profitable and highly desirable domain name for shall we say, marital aids. He got smart and registered it in the early days and it's very much a thriving site. One day, someone stole it along with about a dozen other highly profitable domains.

    This gentleman contacted some of the other victims and they were willing to help out with catching who did this and with getting their domains back.

    The thieves were employees of Network Solutions and had planned on skipping the country very soon after the incidents. However, the victims pooled their money and hired a 'bounty hunter' to track down and find the thieves. He did, and for a little extra money the domains were returned without question.

    The person who told me the story has been silent on what happened to the thieves. He's leaving that to the imagination but I have a feeling they're at least quite sorry that they tried this stunt.

    I think that was much more satisfying than going through the court systems, etc. Not that I endorse taking the law into your own hands but when the courts aren't set up to deal with this type of crime sometimes you have to deal with it through side channels.

    1. Re:A slightly different way to resolve this by pmarini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      it's funny to notice that it's exactly like this that the Mafia started... providing state-like "services" from "alternate" sources... and then the people became "addicted" to them... and now it lives on... from within :-)

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  11. Poor passwords, poor password procedures... by hattig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And this is why businesses shouldn't email out customer passwords in emails.

    I get angry every time I get an email sayign "thanks for joining, your password is : xtyzseh85". REALLY? Like I just didn't enter that on your site. Also it suggests that the password is stored in clear text in their database, a big worry.

    What if you forget your password, you might ask? Well then you email out a temporary password, and set a flag in your database that the person is required to change their password when they log in. This vastly reduces the window of opportunity a thief would have (technically they could follow the "forgotten email?" path on the website, and intercept the emailed temporary password. Maybe the solution is temporary passwords sent by text to account holder phone, or one of those "what is your favourite colour?" questions before the password email is sent).

    Second issue - people using poor passwords. These people clearly had the keys to their $100k+ accounts available behind a paper screen door. Should we blame Yahoo! for this?

    Note that the crime is still entirely down to the criminal who did it, and not the people for having poor passwords, nor the registrar who allowed the domain transfer in good faith (although there must be questions asked about their notification procedures, the owners should have got an email about the transfer, and thus should have been able to get this sorted out BEFORE the domain auction was finished).

  12. Why we need to break the govt's monopoly by MikeRT · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To move the case forward, they would also need a law enforcement professional who understands the case or is willing to take the time to learn.

    This may come as a real shock to a lot of Americans, but it used to be that if you and your attorney could make a reasonable argument to a general district court judge that a crime had been committed, YOU could bring criminal charges. You and your attorney would be the prosecution.

    *Cue platitudes about our litigious society*

    The general posse comitatus approach was superior to what we have today. It had its abuses, but people tend to not grasp just how utterly powerless they are today to get wrongs corrected, to fight back against corruption, etc. In this day, it is literally impossible to bring charges against the powerful without the support of other powerful people who are sympathetic to your argument. Back in the day, if a powerful man were hiding behind his wealth and cronies, 20 armed men could haul him out of his house, shoot up the sheriff if he were on the take, and dump the SOB in a court if they had evidence.

    1. Re:Why we need to break the govt's monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And what do you think the RIAA would do at the first whiff of this being legal again?

    2. Re:Why we need to break the govt's monopoly by pnewhook · · Score: 2, Informative

      Having a policy like loser pays legal bills of both sides would go a long way to making the court system fair. Right now its often richest guy wins because he can outlast the poor guy.

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  13. Where's the FBI? by pmarini · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How is a local enforcement officer involved in a case of trademark/licensing/brand/virtualspace?

    Isn't this something that would have FBI jurisdiction, if anything - unless the "crime" requires the help of the Interpol/Europol...

    Questions:
    - How is this a theft? (I'm sure that Cisco didn't accuse Apple of "theft" for the iPhone name...)
    - How is this relevant in the XXI century? Surely it would take another couple of centuries before judges and juries would know anything about digital technologies... (no offence, but while I can understand the crime of falsifying financial transactions, I don't see a "theft" here... more like a joyride instead...)

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    1. Re:Where's the FBI? by Cramer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, that was a trademark case. And Apple sued Cisco (aka Linksys) who did not have a product on the market using the iPhone trademark.

  14. Re:What is the ethnic background of Daniel Goncalv by Temujin_12 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Asking a question about the ethnicity of a name does not automatically make one a racist.

    I know. Calm down people. Go have some beers and make up.

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  15. grrrr by JackSpratts · · Score: 3, Interesting

    we had a domain stolen a few years ago at a board i mod. it was active and we lost all traffic instantly. like tfa it was also a p2p domain and also an email diversion. to get back up the admins registered "p2p-zone.com" and felt lucky to get it, but it wasn't the same. i was so po'd i wanted to throttle the arrogant nyc prick who did the snatch. instead i handed it off to the cops and eventually got it back through negotiation, but it took many months. it was our identity for years and we felt terrible when it was taken from us. what a pita. unfortunately because of the time that passed and a new name we were forced to adopt, we have never formally reincorporated it. we resolve to it but it really isn't "us" anymore as far as the public's concerned.

    - js.

  16. Re:What is the ethnic background of Daniel Goncalv by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, if you really want to get technical, "I hate Hispanics" would be more along the lines of bigotry, not racism. If he would have followed up with "because Hispanics are inferior to Caucasians" then you would have a textbook racist statement. However, a stereotypical statement with the inference that one ethnic group is inferior to another could still be considered racism.

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  17. Re:How is this "theft?" by alx5000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to Slashdot in every piracy article, this is actually "theft", because you are taking away something from its rightful owner, who will not be able to make use of it any more. Thanks for playing.

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  18. Re:squatter!? by Cramer · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm supposed to care!?

    Yes, you should. So when this happens to you, we'll apply the same logic... "you're a nobody. why should we care?"

  19. Re:What is the ethnic background of Daniel Goncalv by Roxton · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Asking a question about the ethnicity of a name does not automatically make one a racist.

    +5 Insightful? What the hell?
    Raising questions of ethnicity that would be irrelevant to anything but a racist sentiment is, in fact, racist. Take your rules-lawyer morality and shove it up your ass.

  20. Re:Sorry brief rant -- 'loser pays' is a terrible by pnewhook · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Loser pays" solves nothing. It was an idea created by those who benefit from the current system and wanted to make it even more lopsided, sold as a reform to help make the courts "fair." It's anything but.

    I disagree

    If I was poor and had to pay legal bills to a lawyer upfront, I'd probably not even try even if I knew I was right as either I couldn't afford a good lawyer or maybe if I was lucky an inexperienced one.

    If I knew I was right and the loser pays, I'd get a good laywer and the playing field is now even.

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  21. Re:What is the ethnic background of Daniel Goncalv by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So if I meet someone and they tell me their name, and I ask about their ethnic background, that makes me a racist? Boy am I glad I don't live in the same messed up world you do.

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