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Twitter, Facebook DDoS Attack Targeted One User

An anonymous reader writes "A Georgian blogger with accounts on Twitter, Facebook, LiveJournal, and Google's Blogger and YouTube was targeted in a denial of service attack that led to yesterday's site-wide outage at Twitter and problems at the other sites on, according to a Facebook executive. The blogger, who uses the account name 'Cyxymu' (the name of a town in the Republic of Georgia), had accounts on all of the different sites that were attacked at the same time, Max Kelly, chief security officer at Facebook, told CNet News." Here are user Cyxymu's LiveJournal Google cache and LiveJournal account (unreachable at this writing). Larry Magid writes on CNet that this individual blogs about independence of a breakaway region of Georgia. Macworld has some speculation in other directions on the motivations behind the DDoS attack.
Update: 08/07 19:52 GMT by KD : Cyber attacks on Cyxymu are not new. For over a year Evgeny Morozov has been calling attention to him as the first digital refugee.

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  1. Asymmetrical warfare by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Any guesses as to how many more people will start following "Cyxymu" solely because of this attack? It's called The Streisand Effect, Russia, and it's very real.

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    1. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by palegray.net · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're right. It would have been much more effective to simply have the guy killed.

      /me waits for news reports of his untimely demise.

    2. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Any guesses as to how many more people will start following "Cyxymu" solely because of this attack? It's called The Streisand Effect, Russia, and it's very real.

      Russia? How do you know it's Russia? I've read only the CNET article but my first thoughts were that if Cyxymu wanted to validate himself, he would organize this DDoS against himself. Assuming (s)he is a real person and not some puppet account set up by the region that wants independence that attacked itself to gain legitimacy. I mean, Russia and Georgia probably would have coordinated this with other attacks/raids on the poor soul if he existed, right? My theory is just as realistic as any other until we get more facts on who is claiming responsibility for this. How do you know that these attacks weren't carried out expecting the Streisand effect?

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    3. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by oenone.ablaze · · Score: 2, Funny

      perhaps not as many as you'd think... it's almost all in Russian(?). Oh, and don't everyone go check it out at once--we wouldn't want Slashdot blamed for the next DDoS attack on this fellow's account. I can see the headlines now...

    4. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by krou · · Score: 3, Funny

      In Soviet Russia, the Streisand affects YOU!

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    5. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do we know you're not in the employ of Putin himself? Answer the question, eldavojohn! Produce your birth certificate!

    6. Re:Asymmetrical warfare by Toe,+The · · Score: 2, Informative

      On Twitter, he was under 400 when this article was published. Now he's at 447. Now, 449 since I started typing.

      Have a look to see what he's at now: http://twitter.com/cyxymu

      P.S. Some of it is in English.

  2. Next time it's me by Toe,+The · · Score: 4, Funny

    So if you ever hear of a simultaneous attack on SlashDot and Twitter... that's aimed at me. See, I have accounts on both sites, so clearly...

    1. Re:Next time it's me by toetagger · · Score: 3, Funny

      And naturally, I would be the first suspect of doing so....

  3. What a country! by Teresita · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here in capitalist America whole country use Twitter to get informed. In Soviet Russia, Twitter shut down whole country to get informer!

  4. This is awsome... by ComputerGeek01 · · Score: 5, Funny

    So immediatly following a true DDoS attack on these sites you provide links to them so that they can then be \.'d this...is...awsome.

  5. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by vmxeo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people didn't like what was posted to twitter in the past 24 hours and had other people take it down. It's a distraction. Scrutinize what happened before it down and not the distraction of it going down and you'll have your answer.

    Wasn't yesterday the anniversary of the Russian military incursion in South Ossetia in Georgia? Perhaps after Twitter's widespread involvement with the events in Iran, certain political elements didn't want it happening there as well?

  6. Hmmmm by ModernGeek · · Score: 2

    I'm interested in how each different network will handle the situation. We have moved to centralization on the Internet, and I'm curious as to whether any of these places will give in to the attackers demands, such as disabling or removing the atackees account.

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  7. 1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgia by reporter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    According to a report by the "Times Online" and another report by "guardian.co.uk", today is the 1-year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia. Russian troops has not exited the territory of Georgia though Vladimir Putin signed an agreement to do so. Further, the Kremlin has recognized the occupied territory -- Abkhazia and South Ossetia -- as independent nations although the entire family of Western nations has not.

    The coordinated Internet attack against a computer account owned by a Georgian is likely not a coincidence as the attack occurred precisely on the day marking the 1-year anniversary of this show of Russian military force. For that same reason, that a pair of Russian submarines loaded with nuclear missiles were recently patrolling off the East Coast of the United States is not a coincidence.

  8. Nashi? by RbF_Mack · · Score: 2, Informative

    There has been numerous DDOS attacks over the years by Russia's youth group the "Nashi" but mainly against the ukraine. I'm sure in a year or so when the media dies down some crazy Putin funded mother Russia group will come out and admit to it.

  9. Slashdot Effect by whisper_jeff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yesterday, he was the target of a DDoS attack. Today? The target of the Slashdot Effect. Poor guy will never have a functioning social networking page again...

  10. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by mikael_j · · Score: 5, Informative

    Well, technically they went in after repeatedly telling the Georgians to stop fucking with the south ossetians. Obviously there is more to it than this but for those of us who actually followed the events leading up to the russian forces entering south ossetia it's painfully obvious that most people only noticed something was going on when western media outlets began pumping out "Russia invades Georgia!", "$POLITICIAN says Russian attack on Georgia worse than nazi atrocities" and similar headlines.

    /Mikael

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  11. It also targeted Iranian reformist accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here is the list of active Iranian opposition to coup government that got attacked yesterday as well:
    http://www.facebook.com/mousavi
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zahra-Rahnavard-/79757303129
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Mirdamadi-/129589377387
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Abdollah-Ramezanzadeh/104800577446
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Behzad-Nabavi-/112121917445

    source of list: http://iran.whyweprotest.net/news-current-events/27068-mousavis-facebook-deleted-4.html#post60410

  12. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by TMarvelous · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nuclear POWERED, not nuclear ARMED. If you read the source and not the blog refering to the source you'd know this already. "Defense Department officials declined to speculate on which weapons might be aboard the two submarines." http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/05patrol.html

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  13. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by kevinNCSU · · Score: 5, Informative

    Odd, CNN had reported they were Akula-Class Attack submarines and specifically pointed out that they did not carry nuclear warheads. I think this article is sensationalizing the fact that they are nuclear-powered by using the more vague term "nuclear-armed" in order to make people think that they're boomers.

    If the location of Russian Boomers was world news while on patrol they wouldn't be a show of force they'd be a sign of weakness as the whole point is you have to fear either a first strike without time to respond or a retaliatory strike from a target you can't take out in your first strike because you can't find it.

    Knowledge of where that launch platform is (which means you can bet your ass it'd being shadowed by an attack sub of our own) would invalidate the threat.

  14. Re:fp by sopssa · · Score: 3, Funny

    Well its kind of badass to be the sole purpose some of the world's largest websites got beaten offline.. Aww who am I kidding, the jerk from high school still wins.

  15. Re:The only one? by eln · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently Facebook's security officer identified this particular account as the target. I haven't seen any discussion as to what evidence he's basing that on, but I'm guessing he didn't just pick a random account out of the air.

  16. False logic for fingering the "target" by rgviza · · Score: 2, Funny

    >had accounts on all of the different sites that were attacked at the same time
    That pretty much describes a large number of users that use YouTwitFace. Maybe YouTwitFace was the target...

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  17. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by Rogue+Haggis+Landing · · Score: 5, Informative

    They are Akula class attack submarines, which in a war would primarily be used against submarines and ships. They are quite possibly armed with nuclear weapons, but not ICBMS. The big nuclear missiles are on Typhoon class subs that are, presumably, drifting around undetected somewhere in the Barents Sea.

  18. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by javacowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Are you sure Russia attacked first? According to my own understanding of the situation, it's Georgia that invaded South Ossetia, a territory that declared independence from Georgia since the mid-1990's and has many Russian citizens within its territory. You can understand Russia's interest in those two territories.

    So it's not as simple as declaring "Georgia's territory is sacrosanct therefore Georgia should be united".

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  19. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by toporok · · Score: 5, Informative

    Amen brother! It's saddening how the western media choose to ignore when Georgia started shelling civilian targets in South Ossetia and then launched a full scale invasion. Georgians were preparing for it for 4 years and planned to do it in one day before Russia could interfere. But only when Russia responded a day and a half later did we here about and what we heard was "Russia Invades Georgia!". There are both sides to this story but in this particular case it was Georgia that was the aggressor. And let's not forget history. South Ossetia was given to Georgia by Stalin ( who is Georgian) in the 1950's. Prior to that Ossetia was it's own entity and they and Georgians have a mutual hatred for each other dating back centuries. So when you hear that Georgia "lost it's territories" to Russian "aggression", stop and consider the real facts, not what news media is telling you!

  20. Information wants to be free... by rickb928 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And tyrants as always don't much like anyone else's freedom.

    All the more reason to oppose tyranny. Wherever it is found.

    Now to get the Internet to recognize tyranny as damage and route around it...

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  21. how would you react by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Interesting

    if the usa invaded isla de la juventud?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isla_de_la_Juventud

    because havana has political disagreements with the population there

    oh, the people of south ossetia have disagreements with tbilisi? gee, fucking wow. so the people in south ossetia are like outlying regions in every goddamn country on the planet? awesome rationale for russian military invasion

    russia is engaging in neoimperialism. to frame russian aggression against a small neighbor as some sort of defensive posture is the biggest pile of steaming bullshit imaginable. biden is absolutely right: russia is stuck in the 19th century. seriously, russians: what the hell is wrong with your country? why are you so goddamn ultranationalistic? why do you favor "strength" over justice? putin walks around with his shirt off, russians swoon, and the thuggish crimes of the veritable mafia that runs that country are forgiven

    i now await my complete psychological deflections and projecting on others: more tired typical anti-americanisms when RUSSIA is the one engaging in military aggression (its the usa's fault, obviously, when russian tanks roll, obviously!), and other such completely intellectually incoherent attempts at justifying what is nothing more than obvious naked russian imperialistic aggression on a small southern neighbor

    sorry if i sound so critical of russia. easy solution: just come find me and drive an icepick into a brain, pour some polonium in my tea, or dose my food with dioxin

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_Trotsky#Assassination
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Litvinenko_poisoning
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yushchenko#Dioxin_poisoning_controversy

    for daring to question oh so unquestionable mother russia. or just shoot me in the street, like you do any other russian journalist who dare criticize the rationale and thinking of the strict party line of the dumbest ultranationalist russian thug, right?

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/feb/05/russias-gangster-state/

    heaven forbid a little self-critical introspection might actually result in a better russia, right?

    russia is a pathetic thugocracy: "strength" over justice

    that kind of "strength" will of course result in the weakest russia that will ever be, that will make the humiliation of the russo-japanese war look like a pride building exercise, mark my words russia. not that russia will ever find that out and correct its course. because criticism of russia is a crime

    russia: self-criticism is the way to a better russia. only the psychology of a thug is antagonistic to this idea. and so without such introspection, you get the brutal thug life you deserve

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    1. Re:how would you react by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Informative

      You really should study Russian history, from the Russian perspective. For starters, can you tell us, without googling, how many times Russia has been invaded in the past? Invaded, and defeated, it's people enslaved, murdered, and starved? In fact, starvation in Russia is an ever present spectre - America's spendthrift and wasteful habits combined with American attitudes about freedom and liberty would be fatal to the Russian people.

      Here's a stratfor link, from which you might browse around, and glean additional intelligence:
      http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/20090602_geography_recession

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    2. Re:how would you react by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Funny

      You really should study Russian history, from the Russian perspective

      That's rather like studying Scientology from L. Ron Hubbards perspective.

  22. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, technically they went in after repeatedly telling the Georgians to stop fucking with the south ossetians.

    If that's your attitude then I certainly hope that you are in favor of the Taiwanese, Basque, and Tamil Tigers having their independence. South Ossetia was part of Georgia before the Russians went in there and took it away from them. You may regard what they did as justifiable (I honestly don't know enough to form a conclusion one way or another) but it seems dishonest to say that the Georgians were "fucking with" them without also noting that South Ossetia was a part of Georgia.

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  23. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by Ecuador · · Score: 2, Funny

    The big nuclear missiles are on Typhoon class subs that are, presumably, drifting around undetected somewhere in the Barents Sea.

    Of course that is except the one which that nice Scottish-accented Lithuanian captain handed over to the US in the early nineties.

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  24. Re:The only one? by pdboddy · · Score: 2, Informative

    He was identified by a Facebook admin. He's an outspoken blogger about the whole Georgian conflict, and the anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia just passed. If someone isn't trying to shut him up (Russia, hackers annoyed by his shit, etc), then someone decided he'd be a good test of their latest botnet.

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  25. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny

    According to a report by the "Times Online" and another report by guardian.co.uk", today is the 1-year anniversary of the Russian invasion of Georgia.

    Aug 8 Dustin Hoffman born in Los Angeles, 1937
    Aug 8 Montenegro declares war on Germany, 1914
    Aug 8 Richard Nixon resigns the US presidency, 1974
    Aug 8 The Great Train Robbery -- $7,368,000, 1963

    The above suggests to me that it's American Neocons seeking to regain the power of the presidency, working in conjunction with Serbian terrorists angry at their Montenegrin brothers along with a few German Nazis still fighting the good fight, a plot funded by the money stolen in 1963, and spearheaded by none other than than Dustin Hoffman.

  26. right by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Insightful

    because pre-soviet history allows for excusing any crimes russia commits

    additionally, america does bad things. therefore, its ok for russia to do bad things

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    1. Re:right by Runaway1956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Still to black and white. There isn't a "right" and a "wrong" side in every issue. You can bet your ass though, that there are always multiple political sides to every issue, all of which are probably "wrong".

      If you cannot condemn American actions when they are obviously done for selfish reasons (operation Ajax?) then you can't condemn Russian actions when they are done for what you consider to be selfish reasons.

      Georgia being under discussion here, it is easy to compare Russian intervention on behalf of ethnic Russians (many of whom carried dual citizenship, by the way) to the United States intervention in Beirut City in 1978 to rescue American nationals. We didn't want to see Americans killed in 78, Russia didn't want to see Russians killed last year. Same-o same-o.

      Maybe not pertinent to this conversation, I was awarded my first Humanitarian Service Award for participating in the evacuation of Beirut. Maybe that helps understand my perspective, maybe not. But, I can see right and wrong on the part of the Russians, just as I can see right and wrong on our part. We ain't lily-white, and they ain't deep-space black.

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  27. your deflections are so typical and predictable by circletimessquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "america does bad things. therefore, its ok for russia to do bad things"

    assume america is the most bloodthirsty, vile evil empire that ever existed in the history of the world

    ok

    in what way does this validate anything bad russia does?

    "well see my neighbor, he stabbed his wife to death. therefore when i cut your arm off, that's excuseable"

    very shallow efforts at rationalization, no?

    a strong people are a people who can engage in self-criticism and take criticism from others. in fact, this is probably the most effective metric for true strength in the world, on any issue, from individuals to entire nations

    so you have criticisms of the usa? good, fine, lets hear them. i welcome your criticisms. the usa is not perfect. i have plenty of problems with american behavior too. i spit on the gw bush administration. i recognize every subject of american aggression you raise in your comment and a whole bunch more you didn't mention

    and now, guess what... its your turn. let us hear YOU criticize russia. let us hear you address my criticisms of russia. directly, rather than deflecting my words back emptily: "well, america is bad too, so you can't criticize"

    what is this, kindergarten? are you 5 years old?

    is it impossible for a russian to self-criticize or hear criticism of russia?

    do you think this is a sign of strength on your part?

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  28. Re:1-Year Anniversay of Russian Invasion of Georgi by robinsonne · · Score: 2, Informative

    The reason there are so many Russian citizens in South Ossetia is because when the region became semi-autonomous prior to the conflict, Russia granted the South Ossetians Russian citizenship.

  29. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If we use the word "Ossetian" to signify an ethnic group, yes, you are right. If we use the word to signify the residents of the region, you are only partly right.

    Try this site: http://ossetians.com/eng/ Browse around. Look at the number of Russian army generals, and later, the number of "Heros of the Soviet". Whether we are discussing the ethnic group, or the territory, Ossetians have a long and rich relationship with Russia.

    Be sure to hit some of the links on this page: http://ossetians.com/eng/index.php?showcat=jump&f=38

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  30. your thinking is so pathetic by circletimessquare · · Score: 2, Insightful

    how does responsibility and accountability work?

    you take stock of events, and you admit where you have done wrong

    but there is an alternative line of thought, that losers engages in, which is: you take stock of events, and you explain away everything as completely not your fault

    "If you cannot condemn American actions when they are obviously done for selfish reasons (operation Ajax?) then you can't condemn Russian actions when they are done for what you consider to be selfish reasons."

    what the hell does that have to do with anything? give me a list of every single crime america ever did. i admit to all of them. at this point you can criticize russia? or: give me a list of every single crime america ever did. i admit to none of them. so russia can now commit horrible crimes? what the hell does anything america ever did, whether america is the devil himself or a complete innocent angel, have to do with the evil russia did?

    basically what you are saying is "russia doesn't have to be accountable for anything bad it ever did, because somebody, somewhere else, did something bad once"

    this is how you think about the world. this is the paraphrasing of your words above

    the way you think is the path of ruin for us all. we need people in this world to take MORE responsiblity and accountability, not less. and all your thinking is "this is how you take less responsibility: you observe somebody else did someting bad, so now its ok i did something bad"

    no, idiot: america does plenty of bad things. russia does plenty of bad things. you admit to them. that russia did bad things does not excuse the usa. that america did bad things does not excuse russia. get it idiot? you don't read the histories of the world to explain why no one is responsible for anything in this world, you read it to understand the context of certain vile actions and behaviors, but it doesn't excuse ANYONE

    here's a random bit of history:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre

    now, according to you, and the way you think above, this bit of history gives america the right to do evil without explaining itself. why? because russia did something bad once. fucking bullshit, right? well that fucking bullshit is exactly your words above, in reverse

    for example, you point out operation ajax. ok, and? this was something evil america did. so now what? now we can't criticize russia? now russia is allowed to do evil things? because operation ajax happened once? wtf?

    you don't have any intellectual honesty. we need MORE repsonsibility taking in this world, not less, and your whole way of thinking is all about tearing down accountability and responsibility

    you are what's wrong with this world. no, i really mean that. your rationalization is the exact same rationalization that goes through the mind of anyone right before they commit any crime in this world: "well someone else did something bad, so this crime is ok"

    i have a job for you to do: criticize russia. criticize something bad it did. you will find out an amazing thing: you can still criticize the usa after you do that. that you can criticize BOTH the usa and russia, and that criticizing russia doesn't mean you're an american neocon, and that criticizing america doesn't mean your a russian apologist

    isn't that fucking amazing you moron?

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    1. Re:your thinking is so pathetic by Runaway1956 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "basically what you are saying is "russia doesn't have to be accountable for anything bad it ever did, because somebody, somewhere else, did something bad once""

      Bullshit. This is not what I said.

      "no, idiot: america does plenty of bad things. russia does plenty of bad things. you admit to them."

      When? Taking operation Ajax, for example, when has the US ever said, "Hey, Iran, we're sorry for fucking your lives up - how can we help make things right?" President Obama sort of hinted at a near apology, recently. As a rule, the US does NOT admit to anything, period.

      The Katyn massacre? I fail to see exactly how the actions of the Soviet relate to actions by today's Russia relate, exactly. The Soviet failed, remember? It crumbled, it's gone. Nowhere, in all my writings and ramblings have I EVER defended the Soviet, or any of it's actions that tended to subjugate people. Murder is murder, yes, but can you point to instances of murder commited by today's Russia?

      "you don't have any intellectual honesty"

      You, on the other hand, don't have any honesty at all, intellectual or otherwise, to take my statements, and read into them all that you have read into them.

      "i have a job for you to do: criticize russia. criticize something bad it did. you will find out an amazing thing: you can still criticize the usa after you do that. that you can criticize BOTH the usa and russia"

      Wake up, dude. You will find that the vast majority of Americans simply accept that America is good, and Russia is evil. Most of those Americans have no concept of what Russia is.

      You want me to criticize Russia and it's people? Easy. There are thousands of instances of criminally insane actions committed by the Soviet, beginning with genocidal purges within Russia, purges of the intelligentsia within Russia, and political purges within Russia. The Katyn massacre that you refer to was "business as usual" for the Soviet. It was no more, and no less, horrible than sending millions of people into exile in Siberia for offenses ranging from petty theft, to being descended from royalty, to voicing an opinion, or even hoarding bread crusts bought on the black market.

      I'm aware of wrongs commited by Russians, at least as much as I'm aware of American wrongs. After all, they are trumpeted far and wide by our media. It's the wrongs that we try to cover up that concern me more.

      I thank you for your rant, though. Obviously, I got under your skin. Now - do you even understand what Operation Ajax was all about, and what the consequences were? How about the Bay of Pigs fiasco? And, the CIA's operation with a shot up boat that got us involved in Vietnam? How many of our own sins are you aware of, and willing to admit guilt for?

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  31. Re:Just like rs79 said yesterday by Aceticon · · Score: 3, Informative

    I would go even further - the logic exposed by the grand-parent can be used to justify the liberation of Chechnya, since it's population is clearly being oppressed by Russia, including killing of tens of thousands of Chechnya's residents and the installation of a murderous (just recently another journalist critical of the government was murdered) and oppressive puppet-government.